Jimmypage92 PFS Story

jimmypage92

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Hi all,

I have been reading the stories of other members and thought I would post my own thread to see if some of you highly knowledgeable people can point me in the right direction/improve my quality of life even marginally.

My name is Tom, I'm 29 and living in the UK. At the age of 14, I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I struggled to maintain good control of my blood glucose levels in the early stages and I really struggled both mentally and physically as a result. Within 12-18 months after diagnosis, my hair (which had previously looked perfectly healthy) began to shed excessively and looked very dull. Concerned, I made a private appointment to see a dermatologist, who informed me that I was suffering from male pattern baldness.

I was prescribed Propecia and told that I should take it in bursts of 3-6 months at a time, due to financial concerns. This meant taking time off for almost the same period as I had been on, then repeating the process.

Around two weeks before my 16th birthday, I was waiting for my GCSE exam results on a family holiday in Gozo when things went really wrong. My left testicle became extremely swollen and felt like it was going to explode. I was convinced it was testicular cancer, due to a very good friend having recently been diagnosed with terminal cancer. I got extremely drunk on red wine that evening with a friend, while my parents and our family friends went out for tea. I was so sick I thought I was dying. By the following evening, still being sick but ejecting only water, I was admitted to hospital for a few days (missing out on the rest of the holiday) and diagnosed with gastroenteritis.

At this stage, I had no idea that finasteride could have caused my problems and I carried on regardless. I started sixth form college and found myself so overcome with anxiety that I would often not get to sleep until 3 or 4am. This is a problem that stayed with me until this very night (3:28am at the time of writing), although I sometimes go through a few days where my sleep is better.

At the age of around 18 when I took my last dosage of finasteride, it wasn't long before I had the complete crash. At this time, I was at university and everything went so wrong that I still feel traumatised at the absolute breakdown of my life to this day (much more so than the ongoing nature of PFS, which I have almost become acclimatised to, aside from the odd horrendous day, when I genuinely want to die.

I used to be a very keen sportsman, playing tennis and rugby for my school team and playing football for a local weekend team. My muscles became extremely tense almost overnight and made running a physical impossibility. I suffer crumps, tremors, spasms etc and my legs (most badly affected area) are so inflexible that they feel like they are made of wood. At the same time, I started suffering extreme anxiety attacks that forced me to miss out on the overwhelming majority of seminars (I couldn't face discussion with anybody due to my intellect being severely blunted and struggling to string sentences together). My sleeping pattern became so poor that I would stay awake until 7 or 8am and then sleep until 6 or 7pm. I lost my job at a local restaurant where I had worked for two years due to becoming extremely unreliable, I vandalised property/objects, hospitalising myself on one occasion and requiring a number of stitches to my hand after punching a window. Then I had the misfortune of finding that my girlfriend had been seeing someone else, as she accidentally left her email account logged in on my laptop and avoided women for 7 years afterwards. I started drinking very, very heavily and put myself in all kinds of dangerous situations. My entire metabolism crashed, I gained a massive amount of weight within a few weeks, my face became extremely puffy and I developed extremely severe responses to the overwhelming majority of foods. For at least five years now, I have avoided gluten, dairy and soya like the plague and I try to limit carbohydrate wherever possible. It took me a long time to pick up on these things, but I realised over time that certain foods were doing extreme damage. At the time of the big crash itself, I was also diagnosed (by my uncle - optician) with cataracts in both eyes. These cataracts have not developed at all since they first formed and have always been a point of contention with medical professionals. Having only been diabetic for four years, I find it highly unlikely that it would be the cause (something which I have had backed up by numerous people in the know).

My diabetes has been a major problem regarding my finasteride issues, simply because it has always acted as a smokescreen for healthcare professionals. When I have complained of problems with my eyes, muscles, digestion etc I have always been reminded of the importance of good diabetes control. So it wasn't until the last two or three years when I stopped listening to anything my healthcare team had to say to me. Having exhausted every test/treatment in the book - brain MRIs, muscle biopsies (legs), Doppler ultrasound (legs), myofascial compartment release (legs), orthotic prescription to correct gait, trips to physiotherapists, massage therapists and more recently a kinesiologist (where I have definitely seen some improvements) - I turned my back on the doctors and decided to just try to experiment with things for myself. In the UK, most doctors do not take PFS seriously at all.

So I spent the last couple of years trying out all kinds of different supplements - largely as discussed by the majority of users on any post finasteride sites. These included vitamin/mineral boosts such as magnesium/calcium, vitamin D3 and zinc, testosterone boosters, amino acids, quercetin, among all sorts of other things. Some of these things have really helped at times and a handful of them I am still taking regularly - magnesium, milk thistle, acidophilus, D3, arginine, one particular testosterone booster by Iron Labs called T19 Extreme (which I don't think I could live without now, it provides me with just enough libido and erectile function to get by).

The long and the short of it is that I am tired of stabbing in the dark and guessing at what might improve my problems. I have pumped far too many tablets into my system in recent years and I am aware this is not good especially for my liver. I also cannot afford to keep buying these supplements all the time, as a self employed musician.

The issues that are most prominent these days are as follows:

1. Severe muscle weakness in forearms (to a lesser extent) and lower legs (fluctuates - sometimes improves with relaxation and magnesium supplementation, but largely terrible).
2. Digestive system absolutely terrible - struggle to eat anything heavy and cannot touch gluten, dairy or soya at all without horrendous consequences. Some improvement with acidophilus.
3. Struggling to get to sleep, then struggling to wake up - requiring up to 12 hours where possible to avoid exhaustion.
4. SEVERE face and stomach swelling and general body swelling on a regular basis.
5. Congestion/sinus and throat problems - runny nose regularly and had to give up singing.
6. Frequent urination with very little end product.
7. Extremely poor memory, particularly of the first 15/16 years of my life.
8. Gum disease and extreme plaque buildup, as recognised by my dentist as not having anything to do with the quality of my dental care.

I have been so impressed by some of the people I have seen on here and I am really hoping someone can offer me advice on what to do next. I am very keen indeed to try hair mineral analysis, but I need to know which one is best in the UK really before I can order a kit. I am also considering paying to see an endocrinologist privately to obtain tests on the big red flags like total testosterone, free testosterone, prolactin, LH, FSH, SHBG etc - I was hoping someone might be able to provide me with a comprehensive list of what needs testing in this regard.

If I can just get rid of one or two of my more problematic symptoms, I think I could live much more comfortably than I am doing currently. Numbers 1-4 are currently the most problematic for me, but obviously the other three are not much fun either! I thank you all very much in advance for taking the time to read and for anything you might be able to suggest to me. I am in a bit of a mess, despite being significantly better off than I was aged 20. I don't know whether being so young caused a particularly severe crash, but if I had to go through those years again, I think I would just kill myself. I don't currently have any wish to do anything drastic, however - I just want to keep up the battle to get better.
 

Chapman

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Unfortunately, mate the NHS is useless when it comes to this condition, our doctors over here are by the book and until these post drug conditions are 'proven' in the lab the docs won't take it seriously. I'm sickened they prescribed you fin @ 14 years old! You were still in puberty for Christ's sake, how can that even be legal!!

I've just bought a hair test after reading about the good results of lads on here from this site www.mineralstate.co.uk, it cost £70. You may want to wait a month or two if cash is tight to see my/others results, obviously that's your choice.

This site is brilliant with really knowledgeable guys on it, so hang in their you'll get through it!
 

vicecaz

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I was also hit by this syndrome and crashed at 18, your story sounds similar in certain aspects,; notably the food insensitivities, requiring lots of hours of sleep to feel refreshed.. ,
No need to wait anymore, choose a protocol and stick to it
You should start with a water fast.It could do wonders especially for your diabetes

just a tip for the frequent urination, I also had this at the beginning. Salt loading (pink Himalayan salt) helped a lot and the issue disappeared after a few weeks on Cdnuts protocol
 

Helen

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@jimmypage92 your best bet will be to go on TEI and stay on it. I saw a couple of people personally get rid of diabetes 1 on that program.

the reason for diabetes one is too much oxidative stress, thus the body closes down the insulin production, since insulin puts sugar into the cell, and this will make superoxide.


So when people are put on insulin this usually make this problem worse, since they are just forcing sugar in more and more.


Now when you took finasteride you made that problem even worse, since finasteride binds NADPH and this is needed to make your sugar metabolism work.


The reason why you have hairloss on insulin, since insulin put sugar into the cell. and this created oxidative stress and a lot of superoxide. and hydrogen peroxide etc


YOu have tons of oxidized metals now in the cell, with pure deficiencies in glutathione, metalothionein etc

go on the program and in a year or so I will bet you you will be off insulin.
 

jimmypage92

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Unfortunately, mate the NHS is useless when it comes to this condition, our doctors over here are by the book and until these post drug conditions are 'proven' in the lab the docs won't take it seriously. I'm sickened they prescribed you fin @ 14 years old! You were still in puberty for Christ's sake, how can that even be legal!!

I've just bought a hair test after reading about the good results of lads on here from this site www.mineralstate.co.uk, it cost £70. You may want to wait a month or two if cash is tight to see my/others results, obviously that's your choice.

This site is brilliant with really knowledgeable guys on it, so hang in their you'll get through it!

That sounds ideal, thanks Chapman! I’ll try to get one of those booked ASAP! The age thing is pretty distressing - I was not given any particular warnings when I started finasteride and it was handed out like sweets!
 

jimmypage92

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I was also hit by this syndrome and crashed at 18, your story sounds similar in certain aspects,; notably the food insensitivities, requiring lots of hours of sleep to feel refreshed.. ,
No need to wait anymore, choose a protocol and stick to it
You should start with a water fast.It could do wonders especially for your diabetes

just a tip for the frequent urination, I also had this at the beginning. Salt loading (pink Himalayan salt) helped a lot and the issue disappeared after a few weeks on Cdnuts protocol

Thanks, vicecaz!

Have you found significant relief from each of those issues/other issues now? How old are you now, if you don’t mind me asking?

That’s interesting re: pink Himalayan salt - I absolutely love the stuff on a nice steak, but I don’t consume it regularly. I’ll certainly look into this further!

Re: water fasting and juicing, I have considered both options and I’m not really sure about the best way of trying either. Not eating regularly/sensibly can cause severe hypoglycaemia within a few hours - do you think there are any special considerations to take into account given my situation? How about duration?

Many thanks!
 

jimmypage92

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@jimmypage92 your best bet will be to go on TEI and stay on it. I saw a couple of people personally get rid of diabetes 1 on that program.

the reason for diabetes one is too much oxidative stress, thus the body closes down the insulin production, since insulin puts sugar into the cell, and this will make superoxide.


So when people are put on insulin this usually make this problem worse, since they are just forcing sugar in more and more.


Now when you took finasteride you made that problem even worse, since finasteride binds NADPH and this is needed to make your sugar metabolism work.


The reason why you have hairloss on insulin, since insulin put sugar into the cell. and this created oxidative stress and a lot of superoxide. and hydrogen peroxide etc


YOu have tons of oxidized metals now in the cell, with pure deficiencies in glutathione, metalothionein etc

go on the program and in a year or so I will bet you you will be off insulin.

Very interesting, Helen! I am even more intrigued by this stuff now! Would you recommend anything in particularly regarding diet in general given my situation? Some days I feel noticeably better than others and often it’s eating that seems to tip the balance either way, sometimes without an obvious pattern.

I’m also very bad at stress management due to being self employed and hiring a number of people - I don’t lose it at work but I come home and completely crash at times, which doesn’t help the cycle of insomnia and struggling to get out of bed. I sometimes wonder if being under such stress at work is worth it, but I feel like it’s my reason to be and if I give it up I will be in a far worse situation... conundrum.

Is water fasting or juicing a good idea, or do you recommend just heading for the TEI alone as soon as possible?

Many thanks!
 

bruschi11

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I’m really sorry for what has happened to you man. Such bullshit, I’m upset knowing how bad you got screwed by this system.

I like idea of fasting and TEI for you. Look at hair first.

Stay present on this board. I’m a difficult case too with bunch of health issues from Lyme/pfs.

Ultimately if tei is too much for you, you may want to re-circle like mysel and work extraordinarily on the gut.
 

jimmypage92

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I’m really sorry for what has happened to you man. Such bullshit, I’m upset knowing how bad you got screwed by this system.

I like idea of fasting and TEI for you. Look at hair first.

Stay present on this board. I’m a difficult case too with bunch of health issues from Lyme/pfs.

Ultimately if tei is too much for you, you may want to re-circle like mysel and work extraordinarily on the gut.

Thanks, bruschi!

I’ve been really impressed by the knowledge and ideas that go through this site and everyone seems to be very helpful, so I’ll be locking myself in for the long haul!

I’ll definitely give TEI a go as it seems to be very much the way forward by most accounts!

Helen’s remarks on oxidative stress are very much a new angle for me and there is more useful information in that reply than I’ve had from around my last 200 hundred medical appointments, which is both exciting and horrifying!

Re: the gut, I have seen improvements using high strength acidophilus, but I’m still obviously not right. What’s your latest idea re: gut work?

Many thanks!
 

SwaZ

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Really sorry to hear that happened to you man, you were quite young when this shit hit you altho its never too late to take your life in control.

Like many have recommend, i too would say you should go on tei, particularly due to type I diabetes, i think it will be the first to go then pfs then hairloss and other symptoms.

Good luck my man, keep your progress and ideas updated on here.
 

jimmypage92

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Really sorry to hear that happened to you man, you were quite young when this shit hit you altho its never too late to take your life in control.

Like many have recommend, i too would say you should go on tei, particularly due to type I diabetes, i think it will be the first to go then pfs then hairloss and other symptoms.

Good luck my man, keep your progress and ideas updated on here.

Thanks SwaZ! I’m increasingly excited by the prospect of TEI!
 

vicecaz

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Thanks, vicecaz!

Have you found significant relief from each of those issues/other issues now? How old are you now, if you don’t mind me asking?

That’s interesting re: pink Himalayan salt - I absolutely love the stuff on a nice steak, but I don’t consume it regularly. I’ll certainly look into this further!

Re: water fasting and juicing, I have considered both options and I’m not really sure about the best way of trying either. Not eating regularly/sensibly can cause severe hypoglycaemia within a few hours - do you think there are any special considerations to take into account given my situation? How about duration?

Many thanks!
You're welcome
About to turn 22; yeah a lot of relief, but I've been sick for 3 1/2 year and only seen improvement this past year when I figured out what diet fits me the best and started Cdnuts protocol+ some experimentation with minerals/electrolytes. Check the recovery story page in here or at SwoleSource (section Post finasteride Syndrome) to realize what has been successful so far.
Regarding the fast, I'm not a doctor, but when I was in a seemingly similar position as yours, I've been able to go for a 10 days water fast without much issue. With your diabetes just aim for a couple days and if you are fine you could try to go for more
TEI require a sample of your hair, but you shouldn't be taking supplements the moment you collect them. Right after a fast is a an appropriate time for it imo
 

jimmypage92

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You're welcome
About to turn 22; yeah a lot of relief, but I've been sick for 3 1/2 year and only seen improvement this past year when I figured out what diet fits me the best and started Cdnuts protocol+ some experimentation with minerals/electrolytes. Check the recovery story page in here or at SwoleSource (section Post finasteride Syndrome) to realize what has been successful so far.
Regarding the fast, I'm not a doctor, but when I was in a seemingly similar position as yours, I've been able to go for a 10 days water fast without much issue. With your diabetes just aim for a couple days and if you are fine you could try to go for more
TEI require a sample of your hair, but you shouldn't be taking supplements the moment you collect them. Right after a fast is a an appropriate time for it imo

Thanks for the info, vicecaz! A couple of days should be doable - I’ll just wait until I have a few days off work and go as long as I can!
 

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MNK99

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water fasting, tei all great ideas. restored a lot of stuff... had horrible anxiety, and worse, severe depression - only water fasting removed that and labotomy-state.
tei could do that too, but water fasting was fast. I'm on TEI rite now, pretty positive. I did a lot, mostly it helped this year (I think everything helped), but it wasn't necessarily the most direct route. To simplify: Water Fasting, Electrolytes, and TEI - are what I believe in the most. Along with strict anti-inflammatory diets (honed for fast or slow oxi type) and exercise (sports, running HIITs, strength training)- fasted even better with carb backloading at night. TEI alone should be great with a lot of diet tweaks if needed... though diet is pretty similar to what lots of people ate before, I believe. And yes, it's a fucking disgrace they prescribed that to a 14 year old kid, the morons. It can get way better and cured tho. I cured PSSD, and also possibly (probably) had accutane side effects... surely did not help things, but was really young for both... ---FOR sure I had PSSD. Don't think I had PAS, but possibly worsened anxiety (or that happens at 18-20's anyways, not sure). PFS, horrible - much better 7mo ago, livable pretty good 4mo ago, near cured later... but riding out TEI, and possibly 1-2 other things in future such as bathmate... but for now just tei. I feel it's easier than some other things on me, like randro/4andro which were fine and even great in many respects, but also caused some mood, insomnia, etc issues. I felt it was necessary at the time, and am glad I did it. Better shape than ever most the time minus a couple pounds.
 

jimmypage92

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@jimmypage92 I also encourage you to do tei. I am actually getting pretty close to being cured, thanks to tei. I have had luck with other things but tei is the best thing I have tried. Here is my log https://hackstasis.com/threads/goose-pfs-saw-palmetto-log-tei.90/

I also had severe insomnia, anxiety, and digestion issues. I am completely cured in these areas thanks to tei.

Thanks, Goose!

Could I ask how long you have been on TEI and how long you envisage remaining on the protocol? Great to hear such a positive story!