Lab Test for two RussianStarPeptides products - FRAUDSTERS? FINASTERIDE in one product
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ah ok too bad, for me proviron was the the highest point of my life on the wellbeing scale. sucks its aids to my liver
Funny you mention that @Stud , I’ve been tinkering with pansterone from idealabs with a couple drops on my testicles and my normal RSP dht drops on my actual penis. I have noticed some improved feelings but today MW was really prominent so there may still be something to preg and dhea combo.
But I’ve tried oral preg and did not get any benefits for my PFS but it’s been a while so maybe I’ll tinker again.
But I’ve tried oral preg and did not get any benefits for my PFS but it’s been a while so maybe I’ll tinker again.
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yeah I tried preg orraly i didn't like it, felt a little faggy aswell when i did that maybe converts more to progesterone. plus also got anxiety when taking it orally. (skin= high in AR= more allopregnenolone conversion= higher GABA)
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I don't think those labs are correct. My buddy tested them & found ingredients consistent with the labels on RSPs products! ...Don't see why ANYONE would put Finasteride in a Pro-Sexual solution.
...Doesn't make any sense!
My friend is a Chemist in NYC (New York City), btw.
...Doesn't make any sense!
My friend is a Chemist in NYC (New York City), btw.
Since I´ve been using the Russianstar Reboot or "Surge" product for a couple of weeks I wanted to post my experience.
A little backgrounf first: I´m a PFS (Dutasteride) sufferer who´s had almost all sides under the sun (severe depression with suicidal thoughts, horrible mood swings, weight gain, gynecomastia, no libido at all, no morning wood, aspermia, anhedonia, brain fog etc). After two years I´m finally able to ejaculate again although not to the same level as pre-Dutasteride and the anhedonia is much better to the point where I´m enjoying music again (one of my passions) my mood is also much improved although not fully.
Libido is still awful and so far nothing has helped, I´ve tried all herbs except Pine Pollen and Cordyceps, anavar, and just finished a six week low dose 250mg / week testosterone cypionate cycle followed by a Clomid four week cycle. The test cypionate had me aromatizing badly to the point where I had to use Arimidex at 1mg three times per week to keep the nipples in check, but this came with a positive surprise: Viagra - like morning wood whilst on the Arimidex (not experienced anything like that since my teens, I´m 47 now).
In comes Reboot / Surge, the first week was great, had increased libido to the point where I was thinking about sex so much I had to go and masturbate (something I´ve only done twice in the past year, and the two times not out of desire but to find out if I was able to ejaculate again) and improved mood, I was also constantly checking out the ladies which is something I haven´t done in a very long time. The second week is where it went downhill for me since my nipples started acting up to the point where I´ve had to discontinue the use of the product. I´ve been off three days ant my nipples are still sore.
I´ve used 7,8 benzoflavone transdermally before (Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha) with good results, the 7 Keto shouldn´t be estrogenic / androgenic, which leaves me with the "Atiparinos benotrosticase exclusive extract" or whatever other ingredient is really there as the culprit of stimulating my gonads to the point of making me aromatize which has never happened to me with a pct / recovery product. I´m unemployed at the moment so I can´t afford to have the product tested, but I am thinking of contacting the mods at Anasci.org since I know they do carry out tests for Professional Muscle sponsors, I´m not sure if they´ll be receptive to the idea though.
A little backgrounf first: I´m a PFS (Dutasteride) sufferer who´s had almost all sides under the sun (severe depression with suicidal thoughts, horrible mood swings, weight gain, gynecomastia, no libido at all, no morning wood, aspermia, anhedonia, brain fog etc). After two years I´m finally able to ejaculate again although not to the same level as pre-Dutasteride and the anhedonia is much better to the point where I´m enjoying music again (one of my passions) my mood is also much improved although not fully.
Libido is still awful and so far nothing has helped, I´ve tried all herbs except Pine Pollen and Cordyceps, anavar, and just finished a six week low dose 250mg / week testosterone cypionate cycle followed by a Clomid four week cycle. The test cypionate had me aromatizing badly to the point where I had to use Arimidex at 1mg three times per week to keep the nipples in check, but this came with a positive surprise: Viagra - like morning wood whilst on the Arimidex (not experienced anything like that since my teens, I´m 47 now).
In comes Reboot / Surge, the first week was great, had increased libido to the point where I was thinking about sex so much I had to go and masturbate (something I´ve only done twice in the past year, and the two times not out of desire but to find out if I was able to ejaculate again) and improved mood, I was also constantly checking out the ladies which is something I haven´t done in a very long time. The second week is where it went downhill for me since my nipples started acting up to the point where I´ve had to discontinue the use of the product. I´ve been off three days ant my nipples are still sore.
I´ve used 7,8 benzoflavone transdermally before (Primordial Performance Sustain Alpha) with good results, the 7 Keto shouldn´t be estrogenic / androgenic, which leaves me with the "Atiparinos benotrosticase exclusive extract" or whatever other ingredient is really there as the culprit of stimulating my gonads to the point of making me aromatize which has never happened to me with a pct / recovery product. I´m unemployed at the moment so I can´t afford to have the product tested, but I am thinking of contacting the mods at Anasci.org since I know they do carry out tests for Professional Muscle sponsors, I´m not sure if they´ll be receptive to the idea though.
@Narayan Hey Man, I want to share some of my experience, though not with reboot...
First, I had my gyno glands removed years ago but he must've missed a piece in my right nipple as some things cause it to flare up. Pansterone applied to the testicles was one that did it to me, as well as 100mg test injections weekly... I keep Letro on hand to back it off and I'll get in a rhythm soon enough. Question is: Why didn't you re-dose your Arimidex still while on reboot? I would add it immediately if you're still feeling gyno before it sets in, understanding that Letro is much stronger.
As far as the lab, my opinion is, don't do that and why bother? First, I'd prefer to keep RSP off those types of radars, as well as, what would you stand to see if you got the list. Say it has XYZ in it, so?... you still have to pair back your estrogen with an anti-E, if you're aromatizing much... when ordering these kind of things, it is of my opinion, you keep it on the down-low and, unless you have your own testing at your house, it's buy at your own risk. I can say their DHT gels work, and their var is real...
Finally, have you applied the drops anywhere else other than testicles... 3 drops on the traps is another place to test, to see if you feel it but it'll still end up systemic...
If you remember Primordial Performance, I believe they're now iconicformulations though the Andro-line isn't there...
Obviously glad you're on here and glad you've seen some recovery past dutasteride...
First, I had my gyno glands removed years ago but he must've missed a piece in my right nipple as some things cause it to flare up. Pansterone applied to the testicles was one that did it to me, as well as 100mg test injections weekly... I keep Letro on hand to back it off and I'll get in a rhythm soon enough. Question is: Why didn't you re-dose your Arimidex still while on reboot? I would add it immediately if you're still feeling gyno before it sets in, understanding that Letro is much stronger.
As far as the lab, my opinion is, don't do that and why bother? First, I'd prefer to keep RSP off those types of radars, as well as, what would you stand to see if you got the list. Say it has XYZ in it, so?... you still have to pair back your estrogen with an anti-E, if you're aromatizing much... when ordering these kind of things, it is of my opinion, you keep it on the down-low and, unless you have your own testing at your house, it's buy at your own risk. I can say their DHT gels work, and their var is real...
Finally, have you applied the drops anywhere else other than testicles... 3 drops on the traps is another place to test, to see if you feel it but it'll still end up systemic...
If you remember Primordial Performance, I believe they're now iconicformulations though the Andro-line isn't there...
Obviously glad you're on here and glad you've seen some recovery past dutasteride...
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guys, @joekool @Narayan
DHEA is a direct estrogen which acts on Estrogen receptor directly, and no aromatase is needed to have estrogen action . DHEA acts on estrogen receptor stronger than estradiol or at least the same and considered estrogen. especially estrogen receptor B
Dehydroepiandrosterone - Wikipedia
it also acts as antiandrogen since it blocks AR receptor.( this is why it helps some people since it acts just like propecia. which blocks AR and raises estrogen.)
Actually if people take testosterone and DHEA aromatization and estrogen action goes 2 TIMES up.
And you cant use letro to get rid of it since DHEA will act on ER receptor directly and letro won't do anything.
DHEA also completely blocks GABA, this is why it helps some people but no sustainable since it acts on estrogen receptor directly.
this is why in people which have low DHT , DHEA is raised. since DHEA is acting like estrogen, in a situation where estrogen is not there, since DHT strong action inhibited aromataze.
and in cases where DHT is high . 3b -adiol is the culpit ( another potent estrogen ) which cant be taken care off by inhibiting aromataze) which causes high 3 beta hsd. and progesterone.
this is why something that inhibits aromataze and at the same time 5ar gets rid of all symptoms for those with high DHT. Since it lowers both your estradiol and 3b- adiol. ( which is also as potent as estradiol). Not a cure, but to show the action how it works.
like formestane is an inhibitor of 5alpha reductase and aromataze.
DHEA is a direct estrogen which acts on Estrogen receptor directly, and no aromatase is needed to have estrogen action . DHEA acts on estrogen receptor stronger than estradiol or at least the same and considered estrogen. especially estrogen receptor B
Dehydroepiandrosterone - Wikipedia
it also acts as antiandrogen since it blocks AR receptor.( this is why it helps some people since it acts just like propecia. which blocks AR and raises estrogen.)
Actually if people take testosterone and DHEA aromatization and estrogen action goes 2 TIMES up.
And you cant use letro to get rid of it since DHEA will act on ER receptor directly and letro won't do anything.
DHEA also completely blocks GABA, this is why it helps some people but no sustainable since it acts on estrogen receptor directly.
this is why in people which have low DHT , DHEA is raised. since DHEA is acting like estrogen, in a situation where estrogen is not there, since DHT strong action inhibited aromataze.
and in cases where DHT is high . 3b -adiol is the culpit ( another potent estrogen ) which cant be taken care off by inhibiting aromataze) which causes high 3 beta hsd. and progesterone.
this is why something that inhibits aromataze and at the same time 5ar gets rid of all symptoms for those with high DHT. Since it lowers both your estradiol and 3b- adiol. ( which is also as potent as estradiol). Not a cure, but to show the action how it works.
like formestane is an inhibitor of 5alpha reductase and aromataze.
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Thanks joekool and Helen for both your replies.
@Helen: I was mentioning 7 Keto DHEA, I have used DHEA in the past with adverse results and from reading about 7-Keto DHEA I was under the impression it worked in a non hormonal way:
7-Keto DHEA: Proven Health Benefits, Dosage, and more
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-835/7-keto-dhea
"7-keto-DHEA is formed from dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in the body. DHEA is a "parent hormone" produced by glands near the kidneys. But unlike DHEA, 7-keto-DHEA is not converted to steroid hormones such as androgen and estrogen. Taking 7-keto-DHEA by mouth or applying it to the skin does not increase the level of steroid hormones in the blood."
"DHEA may form androgenic and estrogenic hormones via an alternate metabolic pathway (which 7-keto does not participate in)."
I greatly appreciate your inputs and joekool maybe you´re right about the testing but there´s something in Reboot definitely giving me an adverse reaction, which of course can be because I´m fucked up so if someone in Europe wants the rest of the bottle I´d be happy to send it to them for free so they can try it for themselves and see how they fare with it.
@Helen: I was mentioning 7 Keto DHEA, I have used DHEA in the past with adverse results and from reading about 7-Keto DHEA I was under the impression it worked in a non hormonal way:
7-Keto DHEA: Proven Health Benefits, Dosage, and more
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-835/7-keto-dhea
"7-keto-DHEA is formed from dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in the body. DHEA is a "parent hormone" produced by glands near the kidneys. But unlike DHEA, 7-keto-DHEA is not converted to steroid hormones such as androgen and estrogen. Taking 7-keto-DHEA by mouth or applying it to the skin does not increase the level of steroid hormones in the blood."
"DHEA may form androgenic and estrogenic hormones via an alternate metabolic pathway (which 7-keto does not participate in)."
I greatly appreciate your inputs and joekool maybe you´re right about the testing but there´s something in Reboot definitely giving me an adverse reaction, which of course can be because I´m fucked up so if someone in Europe wants the rest of the bottle I´d be happy to send it to them for free so they can try it for themselves and see how they fare with it.
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@Narayan When used in a topical (skin lotion) product 7-keto-DHEA caused long-lasting changes in the body's levels of testosterone, epitestosterone, estradiol, and other steroid hormones.[6] Researchers have raised concern that supplements may trigger positive tests for performance-enhancing drugs.
7-Keto-DHEA - Wikipedia
If keto dhea comes from DHEA, then if you feed keto dhea, I would assume dhea rises
7-Keto-DHEA - Wikipedia
If keto dhea comes from DHEA, then if you feed keto dhea, I would assume dhea rises
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What is the antidote if someone got gyno from using DHEA or pansterone?. Im trying to help someone close to me. Can someone at young age, use DHT to combat gyno??
Yeah i agree, but having a review section makes it safer than people just ordering it under water without any possible discussion imho.
