Lines/Creases on arms common in PFS? DNA link?

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Healthy interest would be better than tired skepticism. Evidence whether in the scientific method sense or the legal sense is near impossible to find for stuff like this and a waste of time what we need to find is the truth or hints of it. We're online, how do you share evidence when we are not physically interacting with eachother and any evidence found only online isn't worth much because it can be fake. How much evidence can we find to explain a problem in a culture if this was done under former empires. Say staple foods have side effects for that group and later Merck created various drugs as a bioweapon for certain groups, say that evidence exists. Unless you can teleport a person from the past like past China or 1800s America into modern day no one will care, no amount of evidence will be enough for people to react about the effects of the drop in testosterone.

And as far as Merck goes if evidence exists In paper form, where will it be found? Their own headquarters. If the police ever got near it they would simply shred it. Does that mean the crime was never committed if there is no evidence and all the things that happened to our bodies are just our overactive imagination? And if it takes 20 years to raise a new generation and create evidence in the form of a person fed a different diet or not given any medications does that mean it's right to nag that person at every step for 20 years for lack of evidence up until that point. If you still think finding evidence of wrong doing will change anything you're living in 1980s because Bill Clinton proved in the 90s the society doesn't care about evidence anymore and they'll just go along with anything. Hillary Clinton had dead people and over a million illegals voting for her in 2016 that's how much people care.

Thanks for your thoughtful input. Going after Merk isnt priority but establishing a record is. My hope is there is no connection or inheritability but its better to be safe than sorry as we know from experience. Essentially this is to ensure your children are not living a watered down version of their true potential.

The purpose is to set a data record of all physical changes, with a heavy focus on physical traits we see occuring "naturally" in large numbers in certain groups who shared a common ingestion of 5ari. Simian lines.

(IF***) there is a connection,
This is so our families are among the first in line to get the support needed to completely hack this. Im hopeful that a program can be set just for us who went through PFS funded by an independent party. That is IF, JUST IN CASE in 10-20 yrs there is accredited backing of my initial findings by many in the health sciences and genetics research.

But we need to start some kind of paper trail somewhere and put it in the proper hands, not just these forums where its an echo chamber with complete strangers. Or random scientists working with a foundation who has barely made an impact on the public stage.

Im certain if there were an issue, we could fix it but how will we know if we dont record and share data? You rather take the chance your children or great grand children inheret something preventable but then they either cant afford the help or dont qualify because its not recognized as a health issue? And it could have been if you just recorded the data.

Ive gone far enough in research to realize that many science ethics voices are calling for restrictions on potentially helpful tools for us (if we need them). I believe the simian lines may primarily represent a downregulation of traits, which to the ethical geneticist, doesnt take priority in intervention. But it can take priority if its proven it happened via a poison from their own community.

And hopefully all of this really is a hyperawareness of lines etc...

But we didnt think PFS was real. Most doctors still dont and most still claim its in your head. Also most arent looking for the cause of declining testosterone etc...
Thats why Im presenting this data to a variety of PHD professors who specialize in different fields.

Anyone willing to participate please message me and we can discuss the details. We need a large pool of men.
 

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It's their instinct, most people can only admit to things once they are accepted by the majority. So until then they will put obstacles in your way the same way the general public will, joining hack doesn't make a fool into some trailblazer. They will even try to get your posts erased or banned.

Here's a trending video of your average American retard jumping on someone who stands up against Merck

I noticed from the photos I've seen a lot of white men suffering from PFS have the same look, not just from the side effects like pale complexion and moon face but as if they have common ancestry. For lack of a better term I'll call it a central European Celtic look. I think these days you can also spot men who have taken Fin or Minoxidil even if they never got full blown PFS and go about their day thinking they are fine. Almost like you can predict which homeless people became drug addicts and lost their homes after being prescribed Oxycontin.

The moon face is typical of asians who eat lotus root(Licorice root *edit*), reishi mushroom, soy, green tea 24/7 etc...just saying

People must think we magically all looked different but basic science tells you its all environmental. Thats bio 101 and everyone here took it.

Anyway, hopefully the desired future we seek only requires us to recover and tweak our childrens diets for good measure.

But I dont play roulette with the devil anymore hence my work.
 
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The moon face is typical of asians who eat lotus root, reishi mushroom, soy, green tea 24/7 etc...just saying
The Dutch are probably the healthiest nationality physically at least as far as puberty and young adulthood is concerned, other groups may live longer but their skeleton and even their iq is probably lowered by their poor diet in adolescence.
 

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This endeavour is focused on maximizing the health and potential of our progeny.

However, it may come to be useful in court compensation, whether its in 10 or 20 yrs from now. On average pharma cases like this take at most 30 years to get an international ban and awareness. Thats based on stats from how long other complex cases took. 1997 aprox. release of fin, and its 2019 now so maybe another 8 years IF the community cooperates.

Most of use are young and would benefit directly from winning in court, while others may be older but can pass on the funds to family etc...

There probably wont be a smoking gun in our case, as is with most cases against corporations. Its usually a large collection of data from many credible sources that does the trick. So consider this an addition to the arsenal against the devil ;)

Now lets see...Propecia help foundation claims to be on our side, would they be willing to gather everyone for independent data collection? Would they start sending new cases our way? Or do we have to go thru their selected MDs & forum?
 

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I have those lines, but the fact that non-pfs people have them too would suggest they're not from bone loss. The average person with these lines, even if they consume lots of dietary 5ari, wouldn't experience any significant bone loss. Plus, why would they have these lines from birth and through childhood, when their bones are quickly growing, if they were somehow related to bone loss?

I have it and im not pfs
 

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It's their instinct, most people can only admit to things once they are accepted by the majority. So until then they will put obstacles in your way the same way the general public will, joining hack doesn't make a fool into some trailblazer. They will even try to get your posts erased or banned.

Here's a trending video of your average American retard jumping on someone who stands up against Merck

I noticed from the photos I've seen a lot of white men suffering from PFS have the same look, not just from the side effects like pale complexion and moon face but as if they have common ancestry. For lack of a better term I'll call it a central European Celtic look. I think these days you can also spot men who have taken Fin or Minoxidil even if they never got full blown PFS and go about their day thinking they are fine. Almost like you can predict which homeless people became drug addicts and lost their homes after being prescribed Oxycontin.

That video is so stupid. People are fucking psychos these days. Also his problem is more so that he rejects himself for his size and projects it onto others which makes him believe they reject him for his size too. He just wants to believe it. Weirdo
 

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That video is so stupid. People are fucking psychos these days. Also his problem is more so that he rejects himself for his size and projects it onto others which makes him believe they reject him for his size too. He just wants to believe it. Weirdo

napoleon complex...

The worst ones are the napoleon complex guys who end up in positions of power it's the worst. I have lost my career over this exact thing haha....

The exact opposite extreme side of spectrum also exists in this country. If you are tall, big or intimidating looking and show any indicator of anger they can just shoot you and get away with it. At least with the dude in the bagel shop no one was taking him seriously including the chick with a smile on her face looking at the camera who was not even the slightest degree intimidated
 
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napoleon complex...

The worst ones are the napoleon complex guys who end up in positions of power it's the worst. I have lost my career over this exact thing haha....

The exact opposite extreme side of spectrum also exists in this country. If you are tall, big or intimidating looking and show any indicator of anger they can just shoot you and get away with it. At least with the dude in the bagel shop no one was taking him seriously including the chick with a smile on her face looking at the camera who was not even the slightest degree intimidated

Nothing else to do but laugh at a guy like this. Obviously has emotional issues.. The interview at the end is funny, the woman is huge compared to him
 

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If someone did throw their car keys at the guy that would be enough to knock him off. Those are size-height issues some people have. Ive heard from a short guys on nitrogen boosters that some girl called him small, thats some that can destroy someones ego and confidence for ages )))
 

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I agree with @Rebel that when you crash you somehow become hyperaware. I see now that my before pics were BS, I just dont have ANY with wrinkles on my whole fucking phone with over 2k pics. Now I'm aware of ALL wrinkles on ALL people. And some people look WAY worse than me at the same age, while others look way better than me 10years older.

But STILL, I had dents in my hands for 1-2hours, and bedsheets from sleeping on my body for 1-2 FULL HOURS. I looked like a painting or struck by lightning. Now when I wake up my bedsheets on skin vary,, but are on my body for maximum of 5-30 minutes. Today they were gone within 3 minutes. Dents on my hands start dissappearing within 20seconds!!!! now, stronger ones within 2-3minutes. Compared to 2 FULL HOURS OF NO CHANGE for 3 weeks after crash. It isn't just a psychological thing, it's like ppl saying on reddit "sidz ar in y0 hed m8". I got more wrinkles EVERYwhere now, looks even as if my skin started to sagg on my chest, and I'm in shape.
But my hydration of skin and the dents are getting better, huge stress last week caused me again bedsheets for 50minutes one day. Now it's better by the day again when I'm focused on not stressing or taxing the body.
Aswell as using the slow oxidizer diet combined with CDsnuts protocol and paelodiet adequate to my hairtest and supplementation.

And I have this Han-line OP talks about, I might have had it before PFS. Way stronger on my right then my left. If it's that luls. All of the "ceases" on my body got severly worse during the last month. My dents and hydration are doing great, but I still seem to get more wrinkly by the day. Just hope that when my overall skin already catched up that this will resolve with time aswell. Like the whole skinissue.^^
Cant get it better, it's very visible in real life, on my left arm my phone doesnt even pick it up. Might be just a wrinkle tho xD :D

Obviously 5ar's effect the skin by inhibiting 5ar1 correct? this is why they help acne but not without sometimes harming the skin in other ways

But this scar looking thing is probable not even related to side effects of the drug or if it is it's insignificant compared to the typical sides that have a negative influence on our everyday life.
 

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If someone did throw their car keys at the guy that would be enough to knock him off. Those are size-height issues some people have. Ive heard from a short guys on nitrogen boosters that some girl called him small, thats some that can destroy someones ego and confidence for ages )))

yeah I guess it's all mental at the end of the day and how you want to perceive yourself

throwing keys at this girl and knocking her down wont be as easy.....

115 pounds one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world
 

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Tell the short guy then, that he needs to perceive himself as big, he might feel you and make up his mind at the end of the day :)))
 

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Also his problem is more so that he rejects himself for his size and projects it onto others which makes him believe they reject him for his size too. He just wants to believe it. Weirdo
You don't live in America and you're not a man or short so you don't have the slightest idea what he deals with on a daily basis.
 

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The Dutch are probably the healthiest nationality physically at least as far as puberty and young adulthood is concerned, other groups may live longer but their skeleton and even their iq is probably lowered by their poor diet in adolescence.
Do you just pull this shit out of your ass?
 

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That video is so stupid. People are fucking psychos these days. Also his problem is more so that he rejects himself for his size and projects it onto others which makes him believe they reject him for his size too. He just wants to believe it. Weirdo

Discrimination against short guys is real and far too socially acceptable. Got a mate who is a solid dude but 5"3 and he gets emasculated/the condescending smirk very frequently, that type of thing just chips away at your ego if you're a guy. If you're short as a guy you get treated like a kid, if you try to counteract that by acting tough you have a Napoleon Complex, if you act normally you're invisible compared to taller guys. It's a lose lose

Not an excuse to behave like bagel but got to have empathy for a guy who has been chipped down by himself and other people to the point where he behaves like that in middle age
 

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Discrimination against short guys is real and far too socially acceptable. Got a mate who is a solid dude but 5"3 and he gets emasculated/the condescending smirk very frequently, that type of thing just chips away at your ego if you're a guy. If you're short as a guy you get treated like a kid, if you try to counteract that by acting tough you have a Napoleon Complex, if you act normally you're invisible compared to taller guys. It's a lose lose

Not an excuse to behave like bagel but got to have empathy for a guy who has been chipped down by himself and other people to the point where he behaves like that in middle age

Sure but like you said its the way he acts thats unacceptable.