Liver and Bile Support (TUDCA)

[TubZy]

hmmm strange didn't haidut said somewere udca has a saturated steroid structure. can't find it anymore though but remember something like that on top of my mind. but yeah def higher androgens but might be indirect

If you find it post it here as I would be interested to see as well. In the meantime, I will post all the studies that I have on TUDCA here too.

 

[Helen]

Delta 4-3-oxosteroid 5 beta-reductase deficiency: failure of ursodeoxycholic acid treatment and... - Europe PMC Article - Europe PMC , this why ursosan or UDCA does not work well. And bile acids from jarrow should be better.

 

[Helen]

In any case, to make bile acids, you need vitamin C and NADPH.

 

[Helen]

I wrote about PFS and fat absorption in electrolytes protocol, it is all there under PfS protocol.

@Yura if your cholesterol is high and not low then you need to flush your liver multiple times, if your cholesterol is low, then you might be manganese deficient.

 

[Minime]

I hope this is not a dumb question but how does one know if they have liver problems...or reduced/no bile? The liver is a very common designation for treatment but I’ve never understood how everyone is so sure they have liver problems. I understand I can get tested for liver enzymes. Is there a certain test I should ask my doctor for in order to test bile production?
In addition to suffering from PFS and PAS, I also have Hoshimoto’s which is an autoimmune disorder. I recently read an Ayurveda article that stressed there is a correlation between poor liver function and Hoshimoto’s so this is another reason why I am curious.

 

[Yura]

If you think tudca is good you should definitely try himalaya lv52 ds

liv52 is useless 5 bottles in a row. Zero results.

 

[supernature]

I didn't have naturally brown stool like 10 years or more lol..

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[supernature]

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[Yura]

If this happened to you then you might be copper overloaded in the liver. Copper is excreted with bile, if no bile then it must stayed in the liver. Maybe thats why your physiological free copper was on the low. below ref. range measured from blood.

hopefully hair test will tell more..

 

[supernature]

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[Yura]

I wrote about PFS and fat absorption in electrolytes protocol, it is all there under PfS protocol.

@Yura if your cholesterol is high and not low then you need to flush your liver multiple times, if your cholesterol is low, then you might be manganese deficient.

I wonder if eating egg yolks is a problem when liver can't produce bile? There will be more and more cholesterol and less and less bile acids?

 

[Stud]

I hope this is not a dumb question but how does one know if they have liver problems...or reduced/no bile? The liver is a very common designation for treatment but I’ve never understood how everyone is so sure they have liver problems. I understand I can get tested for liver enzymes. Is there a certain test I should ask my doctor for in order to test bile production?
In addition to suffering from PFS and PAS, I also have Hoshimoto’s which is an autoimmune disorder. I recently read an Ayurveda article that stressed there is a correlation between poor liver function and Hoshimoto’s so this is another reason why I am curious.

its one of the most Obvious things when it gets really out of hand. but jellowing of eyes and skin, lack of appetite, liver pains (right side stomach), fever after eating, brainfog, feeling toxic (like hangover), beer belly (even though i was like 8% bodyfat), bloody stools and so on

 

[Stud]

If you find it post it here as I would be interested to see as well. In the meantime, I will post all the studies that I have on TUDCA here too.

TUDCA
here you were actually conversing with him

 

[Yura]

its one of the most Obvious things when it gets really out of hand. but jellowing of eyes and skin, lack of appetite, liver pains (right side stomach), fever after eating, brainfog, feeling toxic (like hangover), beer belly (even though i was like 8% bodyfat), bloody stools and so on

+ constipation, dry stool in different color than brown, bad vision, easy bruising, bad blood circulation and like 1000 other symptoms..

 

[Helen]

I wonder if eating egg yolks is a problem when liver can't produce bile? There will be more and more cholesterol and less and less bile acids?

You need to check your cholesterol levels. If you have no bile, there is either some kind of blockage in the gallbladder or you might have zero production of cholesterol.

 

[Yura]

You need to check your cholesterol levels. If you have no bile, there is either some kind of blockage in the gallbladder or you might have zero production of cholesterol.

no blockage in gallbladder. No stones. I have higher cholesterol. But it is "normal" in high TSH people right... Heh I will stop speculate for now. I need hair test results + some new blood work and then will see..

 

[Helen]

no blockage in gallbladder. No stones. I have higher cholesterol. But it is "normal" in high TSH people right... Heh I will stop speculate for now. I need hair test results + some new blood work and then will see..

You can have high cholesterol and low production of cholesterol at the same time. Until you fix cholesterol utilization , you should not eat high cholesterol foods

 

[Helen]

You can have high cholesterol and low production of cholesterol at the same time. Until you fix cholesterol utilization , you should not eat high cholesterol foods

You should try niacin.

 

[freeflow]

You should try niacin.

There was a time in my pfs state when I took niacinamide and armpit sweat restarted, like an androgenic response.
Could you tell me whats the connection?

 

[HerrFisch]

I noticed way darker stools with using riboflavin.
Apparently riboflavin is way more important for Wilson people for example, as copper antagonists. Maybe it helps bile as well?