Log: Trying to solve knee pain issue

Aleksandr

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Well you can follow what ARL/TEI recommends, but just take it in form of your supplements. I say it all the time the their supps are expensive as fuck and not some special quality.. It's just pain in the ass for most people to put together their protocol with different brands of stuff..
Its not possible to supplement the exact same as ARL and TEI. Have you seen how miniscule the doses are in some of them, and how huge? I think a better idea is following chatGPT's advice as well as checkout out each individual supplement. ChatGPT looks at the ratios and things too.

Heres an example of what it spat out (ARL has given me these 6)

1. Megapan (Metabolic Pak)​


  • What it is: High-potency B-complex with zinc.
  • Purpose: Stimulates metabolism in slow oxidizers, supports adrenal function.
  • Worth keeping? Yes — but can replace with cheaper B-complex + zinc.
  • Watch out: May already contain manganese — check the label. Yours is already high.



2. Endo-Dren (Glandulars)​


  • What it is: Adrenal glandulars (bovine adrenal + co-factors).
  • Purpose: Stimulate sluggish adrenal glands in slow oxidizers.
  • Worth keeping? Maybe — glandulars help some people, but others find them too stimulating or ineffective.
  • Alternative: Rhodiola, ashwagandha, or adrenal cortex extracts can be milder.



3. Renamide


  • What it is: Kidney support + detox blend (often contains B6, magnesium, etc.).
  • Purpose: Support detox and mineral balancing.
  • Worth keeping? Skip it for now — you're already high in magnesium, and this may increase it.
  • Alternative: Just drink plenty of water + support liver (e.g., NAC, milk thistle).



4. GB-3


  • What it is: Digestive aid with ox bile + pancreatin + black radish.
  • Purpose: Boost bile flow and gut detox.
  • Worth keeping? If you have bloating, sluggish digestion, or poor fat tolerance.
  • Alternative: Ox bile or betaine HCl with meals — way cheaper.



5. Paramin (Chelated minerals)​


  • What it is: High-dose calcium + magnesium.
  • Purpose: Often used to sedate or calm the nervous system.
  • Worth keeping? Not recommended — both calcium and magnesium are already high in your test.
  • Risk: Adding more could worsen ratios and slow progress.



6. Limcomin


  • What it is: Zinc-heavy formula with small amounts of copper, B6, manganese.
  • Purpose: Increase zinc to help balance copper.
  • Worth keeping? Yes — but you're already high in manganese, and this might add more.
  • Alternative: Take zinc picolinate alone (15–30mg) + B6 separately.



7. Endo-Pan


  • What it is: B5 (pantothenic acid) + zinc + copper.
  • Purpose: Adrenal and energy support.
  • Worth keeping? No — you don’t need copper, and you’re already getting zinc elsewhere.
  • Alternative: Just take B5 alone (500mg/day) — very cheap and effective

VS this is what it gave me based on the HTMA analysis, without telling it what ARL gave:

- Zinc 15-30mg (balance copper, support joints)
- Vit C 1000-2000mg (collagen support + adrenal and copper detox support)
- Selenium 100-200mcg (detox copper + aluminum)
- B-Complex (adrenals and metabolism, detox, mood) - especially, b5, b6, b12
- Molybdenum 50-150mcg (copper / sulfur detox)
- Silica 15-30ml a day or as directed (connective. tissues, joints, aluminum detox)


it also said aluminum can mess up joints, and silica helps detoxify it.

Honestly, it seems like it knows the whole TEI and ARL algorithms - maybe they got leaked somewhere, or theres just that much info out there that it can piece it together. This was just using the free version too, IMO worth paying for it to to formulate it more accurately. I will definaely be just going by its recommendations for the next round, i'll still do HTMA 2 years though, it just wont cost me a fortune now.
 
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Yura

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I didn't said the word "exact" I actually said multiple times basically the same what chatGPT is recommending you. THat the most important thing is to have the basics covered and that is what GPT is recommending. Cheaper more simple protocol. Your body has no idea what ARL thinks so this idea that if you don't use exact same stuff, dosage and form of the supplement it can't work is just stupid.
But I would be careful with this mindset if something is already high you don't need it. We know that for example high magnesium is for the most part wasting magnesium not magnesium dumping from toxicity.. Also I am very slow and I find some calcium very helpful to calm down the body. Just because 2g of calcium a day will be harmful it doesn't mean you shouldn't take for example 200mg with every meal especially if you don't have much calcium in the diet..
 

Yura

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Btw you just copy into chatGPT screenshot of your HTMA graph and it can see what is going on on it? that's crazy.. Is that paid version really better? What is missing on free version? I really don't know how it works..
 

Aleksandr

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Btw you just copy into chatGPT screenshot of your HTMA graph and it can see what is going on on it? that's crazy.. Is that paid version really better? What is missing on free version? I really don't know how it works..
These were my prompts:
"decoding htma (hair test mineral analysis) how to take your own supplements based on your hair mineral report"
then it asked "Want help decoding yours? share your results (photos or values) and i just attached a screenshot of it.
 

ruprmurdoch

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Its not possible to supplement the exact same as ARL and TEI. Have you seen how miniscule the doses are in some of them, and how huge? I think a better idea is following chatGPT's advice as well as checkout out each individual supplement. ChatGPT looks at the ratios and things too.

Heres an example of what it spat out (ARL has given me these 6)



VS this is what it gave me based on the HTMA analysis, without telling it what ARL gave:

- Zinc 15-30mg (balance copper, support joints)
- Vit C 1000-2000mg (collagen support + adrenal and copper detox support)
- Selenium 100-200mcg (detox copper + aluminum)
- B-Complex (adrenals and metabolism, detox, mood) - especially, b5, b6, b12
- Molybdenum 50-150mcg (copper / sulfur detox)
- Silica 15-30ml a day or as directed (connective. tissues, joints, aluminum detox)


it also said aluminum can mess up joints, and silica helps detoxify it.

Honestly, it seems like it knows the whole TEI and ARL algorithms - maybe they got leaked somewhere, or theres just that much info out there that it can piece it together. This was just using the free version too, IMO worth paying for it to to formulate it more accurately. I will definaely be just going by its recommendations for the next round, i'll still do HTMA 2 years though, it just wont cost me a fortune now.
there was some polish guy on this board who did himself supps, he did not bought from TEI. maybe some day i will found out this post
btw. for slow oxi- ARL have diffrent aproach than TEI. as I remember helen opinion was that ARL is much slower. One guy on this board even died when on ARL (RIP)
 

Yura

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there was some polish guy on this board who did himself supps, he did not bought from TEI. maybe some day i will found out this post
btw. for slow oxi- ARL have diffrent aproach than TEI. as I remember helen opinion was that ARL is much slower. One guy on this board even died when on ARL (RIP)
WHAT? What happend pls more info about this..
 

Aleksandr

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been almost a month on the ARL supps.
Health continues to improve and knee is improving. recently got into 'hyperarch fascia training' which seems to be helping the knee a lot too. also got a vibration plate.
 

RebelWithACause

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Yes it was Ocguy who died, did he still do ARL when he died? I don't even know. RIP to him.

The polish guy was a PSSD guy he was super meticulous and had everything in a Excel sheet I remember. I think it works fine just stop listening to the people who try to sell you their supplements on how they are better and special. That's all you have to do. I used a ton of non-ARL and TEI supps and they work fine, exact same effect. Of course people who want to sell their supplements want to funnel you into their program and matrix of supplements.

The only argument they have is they are special (tm) and have a lot of different forms of it in one supplement. They are highly absorbable, etc. It's all marketing BS. But it works for sick people who are already desperate for answers. Most supplements in vitamin stores are highly absorbable and if you are not sure about one ask ChatGPT for the best version of absorption and buy that in the store.
 

Aleksandr

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Update from me:

- i've started doing HFT 'fascia training' by coach Chong (some of it is on youtube)
- continuing supplements
- i've been using my phones hotspot for work (WFH) but its been quite closer to me, to avoid the EMF i've moved it into another room far away. now i think about it, it has been close to my problematic knee for 8hrs a day the last couple of years!


anyway, some or a combination of the above seem to be transforming me more. i had a hit against the tennis wall with NO PAIN. it was incredible. i've scheduled an actual tennis match on the weekend to see how the knee holds up.

the HFT training is interesting, supposedly going from 'quad dominant' to 'glute dominant' and the secret of all high performing athletes like Lebron James etc. i certainly do feel more 'suspended' by my glutes now as opposed to grinding on my joints. i've done a month of it now, 3x a week.