Low dose [1-2mg] Topical Test Base

[Grambo]

So you’re using topical Testo once a day in morning? So a gel you rub into your forearms per say?

Yes, all first thing in the morning. I used ethanol and SFA this time. I used DMSO last time, some people have had trouble with it recently so I opted to reduce variables. Also, this stuff is way too cheap to need any potentiators. I'm still not sure the best way to administer. Sublingual looks good, but this is too much ethanol to do it[already tried]. I might try oral since cost is not an issue. I'm not terribly concerned with too much DHT from topical, but am interested none the less in the effects of different application routes.

@brix is starting this, but will be dosing twice a day. This intrigues me as well.

 

[Trump_1776]

I think low dose Nolvadex or clomid works better. This way your not supressing anything. . Your just telling the brain to make more T.. all the bodybuilders use its when coming off cycle
I've helped a out 5 guys with low T with this therapy. . Only 3 pills a week and a good 350- 400 point boost.. and it's their own T

Used clomid in a short spurt after being shut down from 4-andro and it certainly helped out big time during exams. Gosh that was horrible - never again.
Clomid used alone did me no good at all.

 

[Ocguy]

Used clomid in a short spurt after being shut down from 4-andro and it certainly helped out big time during exams. Gosh that was horrible - never again.
Clomid used alone did me no good at all.

Yea, I'm doing an hcg cycle right now, clomid didn't do dick. Literally. It's helping my non pfs friends a lot though

 

[bruschi11]

Yes, all first thing in the morning. I used ethanol and SFA this time. I used DMSO last time, some people have had trouble with it recently so I opted to reduce variables. Also, this stuff is way too cheap to need any potentiators. I'm still not sure the best way to administer. Sublingual looks good, but this is too much ethanol to do it[already tried]. I might try oral since cost is not an issue. I'm not terribly concerned with too much DHT from topical, but am interested none the less in the effects of different application routes.

@brix is starting this, but will be dosing twice a day. This intrigues me as well.

I really like the once a day, small amounts in morning. You could recalibrate your axis with this. Body may produce more T in the long run.

 

[Grambo]

I really like the once a day, small amounts in morning. You could recalibrate your axis with this. Body may produce more T in the long run.

That's the hope. If I assume a 50% absorption rate [I have no idea what it really is] 500mcg is a substantial amount compared to the 2-3mg[estimated] I produce naturally. I absolutely feel like my test is 25% - 35% higher with this dose.

And the extended break I took earlier this month would lead me to believe my LH was higher than before this trial. Obviously this is all my opinion. I have been paying such close attention to myself for the past decade that I have a very good idea of what is going on. If there was more interest in this I would get labs pulled. For me personally, I don't have any interest in labs with this low risk experiment, numbers mean very little compared to how you feel.

 

[Helen]

That's the hope. If I assume a 50% absorption rate [I have no idea what it really is] 500mcg is a substantial amount compared to the 2-3mg[estimated] I produce naturally. I absolutely feel like my test is 25% - 35% higher with this dose.

And the extended break I took earlier this month would lead me to believe my LH was higher than before this trial. Obviously this is all my opinion. I have been paying such close attention to myself for the past decade that I have a very good idea of what is going on. If there was more interest in this I would get labs pulled. For me personally, I don't have any interest in labs with this low risk experiment, numbers mean very little compared to how you feel.

yeah, I gave these small amount to people and their test and free test levels were higher than those who take 100mg a week and higher causing lethargy and bad sides, and totally screwed up metabolism. and in some LH actually went up , not down,

but it depends on your metabolism if your NA K is high , you would not tolerate even 0.5 and if you take zinc, or magnesium and your potassium side goes up. then you can tolerate test again.

 

[Grambo]

yeah, I gave these small amount to people and their test and free test levels were higher than those who take 100mg a week and higher causing lethargy and bad sides, and totally screwed up metabolism. and in some LH actually went up , not down,

but it depends on your metabolism if your NA K is high , you would not tolerate even 0.5 and if you take zinc, or magnesium and your potassium side goes up. then you can tolerate test again.

Did you ever try .5mg-1mg of Oxandrolone with anyone? I was looking through the @IHateFin log and found a post you made about very low dose var for hairloss. I'm very curious how that would play out.

 

[Helen]

Did you ever try .5mg-1mg of Oxandrolone with anyone? I was looking through the @IHateFin log and found a post you made about very low dose var for hairloss. I'm very curious how that would play out.

yes anavar. in very small dosages blocks androgen receptor and also cortisol receptor and should be good for hairloss. but not when you come off. of it))


many get their hairloss started from anavar.


I think your viral infection, sucks up all your glutathione.

and thus you produce PGD2 and no PGE2. thus hairloss. and low LH

 

[Grambo]

yes anavar. in very small dosages blocks androgen receptor and also cortisol receptor and should be good for hairloss. but not when you come off. of it))


many get their hairloss started from anavar.

I would not use it for you. you have low test. there is nothing to block.

I'm trying to solve why my body/facial hair stopped growing/is very thin. People report hair growing/thickening on var.

 

[bruschi11]

I have been paying such close attention to myself for the past decade that I have a very good idea of what is going on. If there was more interest in this I would get labs pulled.

Lol don’t ever doubt yourself and be afraid to say things here man. Trust me if someone should be trusted it’s people like you.

You and I have been at this stuff for a long time and I totally get it when you say “I have a very good idea of what is going on.”

I really like idea of this. Without an ester, this T should be in and through you by day’s end and your body wont sense this stuff at night when it goes to make T.

Guys on other forums I’ve seen do very well this type of strategy.

 

[Helen]

I'm trying to solve why my body/facial hair stopped growing/is very thin. People report hair growing/thickening on var.

actually they use anavar in people with HIV infections to stop catabolism. Read about it. So it might be good for you with your viral infection. in catabolism anavar does not lower testosterone but increases test and LH.

 

[Grambo]

actually they use anvar in people with HIV infection to stop catabolism. Read about it. So it might be good for you with your viral infection. in catabolism anavar does not low testosterone by increases test and LH.

HIV wasting and burn victims are the only things it is prescribed for in the US if I remember correctly. I think I will give it a go in the future.

Do you think trying to fly under the HPA radar with 1mg/day is the way to go? Or two week cycles of 20mg/day?

 

[brix]

yeah, I gave these small amount to people and their test and free test levels were higher than those who take 100mg a week and higher causing lethargy and bad sides, and totally screwed up metabolism. and in some LH actually went up , not down,

but it depends on your metabolism if your NA K is high , you would not tolerate even 0.5 and if you take zinc, or magnesium and your potassium side goes up. then you can tolerate test again.

I’m very low Na/K so I feel like low dose test will be helpful. Are there any minerals I should take along side .5mg to 1mg test for better response/less sides?

 

[tallglass13]

Did you ever try .5mg-1mg of Oxandrolone with anyone? I was looking through the @IHateFin log and found a post you made about very low dose var for hairloss. I'm very curious how that would play out.

Hey, ive been been using 2mg anavar about 3 times a week. My chest hair has significantly improved.

 

[Grambo]

Hey, ive been been using 2mg anavar about 3 times a week. My chest hair has significantly improved.

Glass, you are a messenger from the gods.

I want all the details. Please, thank you and please.

 

[tallglass13]

Glass, you are a messenger from the gods.

I want all the details. Please, thank you and please.

Well I got the idea from Helen, but I'm using a 10 mg tablet cut into fourths hey.. I also use testosterone sublingually about 4mg in olive oil, I got that idea from Roger Mason That is a very safe amount that's about how much a healthy male produces daily. I also use a drop of progesterone about twice a week .The anavar feels good to me and usually produces a nice libido lift. Of course I'm worried about the negative effects it may have on hair, not sure if these low doses instill reduce hair loss, but as far as body hair growth even at these low dosages my chest hair is growing in nicely and I'm 46 years old.

 

[brix]

Well I got the idea from Helen, but I'm using a 10 mg tablet cut into fourths hey.. I also use testosterone sublingually about 4mg in olive oil, I got that idea from Roger Mason That is a very safe amount that's about how much a healthy male produces daily. I also use a drop of progesterone about twice a week .The anavar feels good to me and usually produces a nice libido lift. Of course I'm worried about the negative effects it may have on hair, not sure if these low doses instill reduce hair loss, but as far as body hair growth even at these low dosages my chest hair is growing in nicely and I'm 46 years old.

Do you notice shutdown from the test? Like smaller testicles? Less semen? Anything like that?

 

[tallglass13]

Do you notice shutdown from the test? Like smaller testicles? Less semen? Anything like that?

No not at all, I think at my age and what I put myself through my life, experimenting at this level very low levels I don't think can do that. I still experience ups and downs however. That's why I developed my thread ,Quest to feel perfect. I'm also documenting pictures of my hair transplant I just had on Thursday. I emailed Ray peat the other day about testosterone and he believes 4 mg is completely safe.

 

[Grambo]

Well I got the idea from Helen, but I'm using a 10 mg tablet cut into fourths hey.. I also use testosterone sublingually about 4mg in olive oil, I got that idea from Roger Mason That is a very safe amount that's about how much a healthy male produces daily. I also use a drop of progesterone about twice a week .The anavar feels good to me and usually produces a nice libido lift. Of course I'm worried about the negative effects it may have on hair, not sure if these low doses instill reduce hair loss, but as far as body hair growth even at these low dosages my chest hair is growing in nicely and I'm 46 years old.

Awesome! Thank you for taking the time to write that. Did you start taking var only for libido? What made you decide on 2mg three times a week?

Thanks again

 

[brix]

No not at all, I think at my age and what I put myself through my life, experimenting at this level very low levels I don't think can do that. I still experience ups and downs however. That's why I developed my thread ,Quest to feel perfect. I'm also documenting pictures of my hair transplant I just had on Thursday. I emailed Ray peat the other day about testosterone and he believes 4 mg is completely safe.

Right on. I’ve been keeping up on your thread.

Do you guys need to heat the solvent with the test base in it to dissolve it?