Magnesium Advocacy Group

[Aleksandr]

So I joined this facebook group "magnesium advocacy group", they have a website 'gotmag.com' and its very interesting timing as Gbold's current protocol seems to be strikingly similar.

For instance, Gbold is taking mag / potassium / copper / zinc / b2/ iron / calcium. It seems like they're in order of importance.

The MAG group recommends here: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/
seems heavily focused on increasing Ceruloplasmin. Has gbold written about this before???

i.e. no vit d supplements
no hormone supplements
Recommends magnesium (and co-factors, it says b6/boron/bicarbonate). Says magnesium is the only mineral you can supplement directly and see increases. Says men need 850mg of magnesium a day (holy cow! the magnesium supplements usually only give 100-120mg per capsule or 'serving size' LOL. but i guess you 'd get some from diet too)
they recommend an 'adrenal cocktail' which has around 62mg whole food vit c, 372mg potassium, 458mg sodium chloride
recommends Taurine!
recommends against high dose zinc cos it blocks copper absorption
says copper can't be supplemented directly, you need to get the ceruloplasmin up and that will make copper go up.

 

[Aleksandr]

To put it more simply:

Dont supp: D / Calcium / Iron / HFCS / PUFAS

Do supp:
Magnesium 850mg day for male or 500mg for female
Sodium, potassium, natural vit C, bicarbonate (see their adrenal cocktail)
Silica
Boron 1mg a day
Taurine 500mg a day
Make sure you get the B vitamins

 

[dante]

So I joined this facebook group "magnesium advocacy group", they have a website 'gotmag.com' and its very interesting timing as Gbold's current protocol seems to be strikingly similar.

For instance, Gbold is taking mag / potassium / copper / zinc / b2/ iron / calcium. It seems like they're in order of importance.

The MAG group recommends here: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/
seems heavily focused on increasing Ceruloplasmin. Has gbold written about this before???

i.e. no vit d supplements
no hormone supplements
Recommends magnesium (and co-factors, it says b6/boron/bicarbonate). Says magnesium is the only mineral you can supplement directly and see increases. Says men need 850mg of magnesium a day (holy cow! the magnesium supplements usually only give 100-120mg per capsule or 'serving size' LOL. but i guess you 'd get some from diet too)
they recommend an 'adrenal cocktail' which has around 62mg whole food vit c, 372mg potassium, 458mg sodium chloride
recommends Taurine!
recommends against high dose zinc cos it blocks copper absorption
says copper can't be supplemented directly, you need to get the ceruloplasmin up and that will make copper go up.

From what i know, a human body contains around 25 grams of magnesium vs close to 1,000 grams of calcium. Even if you retain ~500 mg of 850 mg ingested magnesium, in 51 days, won't you have way too much magnesium ? I have doubts on this supraphysiological magnesium loading (atleast for sedantary people). Besides, Ray said that thyroid is one of the signals that retains cellular mag.

 

[Helen]

So I joined this facebook group "magnesium advocacy group", they have a website 'gotmag.com' and its very interesting timing as Gbold's current protocol seems to be strikingly similar.

For instance, Gbold is taking mag / potassium / copper / zinc / b2/ iron / calcium. It seems like they're in order of importance.

The MAG group recommends here: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/
seems heavily focused on increasing Ceruloplasmin. Has gbold written about this before???

i.e. no vit d supplements
no hormone supplements
Recommends magnesium (and co-factors, it says b6/boron/bicarbonate). Says magnesium is the only mineral you can supplement directly and see increases. Says men need 850mg of magnesium a day (holy cow! the magnesium supplements usually only give 100-120mg per capsule or 'serving size' LOL. but i guess you 'd get some from diet too)
they recommend an 'adrenal cocktail' which has around 62mg whole food vit c, 372mg potassium, 458mg sodium chloride
recommends Taurine!
recommends against high dose zinc cos it blocks copper absorption
says copper can't be supplemented directly, you need to get the ceruloplasmin up and that will make copper go up.

From what i know, a human body contains around 25 grams of magnesium vs close to 1,000 grams of calcium. Even if you retain ~500 mg of 850 mg ingested magnesium, in 51 days, won't you have way too much magnesium ? I have doubts on this supraphysiological magnesium loading (atleast for sedantary people). Besides, Ray said that thyroid is one of the signals that retains cellular mag.

Thyroid should inversly retain magnesium in the cell. Morley Robbins just using ARL program. He learnt all this stuff from Eck. But he still does not get that ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast metabolism. If you raise ceruloplasmin in slow metabolism , you get hairloss etc. and even slower metabolism. And to raise metabolism in these slow people, you need IRON in most of them. they are not toxic in iron, they are deficient, their 450scc does not work at all. since vitamin B2 is lacking.
And it is lacking since most of those people are toxic in alluminum which kills B2

 

[Aleksandr]

So I joined this facebook group "magnesium advocacy group", they have a website 'gotmag.com' and its very interesting timing as Gbold's current protocol seems to be strikingly similar.

For instance, Gbold is taking mag / potassium / copper / zinc / b2/ iron / calcium. It seems like they're in order of importance.

The MAG group recommends here: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/
seems heavily focused on increasing Ceruloplasmin. Has gbold written about this before???

i.e. no vit d supplements
no hormone supplements
Recommends magnesium (and co-factors, it says b6/boron/bicarbonate). Says magnesium is the only mineral you can supplement directly and see increases. Says men need 850mg of magnesium a day (holy cow! the magnesium supplements usually only give 100-120mg per capsule or 'serving size' LOL. but i guess you 'd get some from diet too)
they recommend an 'adrenal cocktail' which has around 62mg whole food vit c, 372mg potassium, 458mg sodium chloride
recommends Taurine!
recommends against high dose zinc cos it blocks copper absorption
says copper can't be supplemented directly, you need to get the ceruloplasmin up and that will make copper go up.

From what i know, a human body contains around 25 grams of magnesium vs close to 1,000 grams of calcium. Even if you retain ~500 mg of 850 mg ingested magnesium, in 51 days, won't you have way too much magnesium ? I have doubts on this supraphysiological magnesium loading (atleast for sedantary people). Besides, Ray said that thyroid is one of the signals that retains cellular mag.

Thyroid should inversly retain magnesium in the cell. Morley Robbins just using ARL program. He learnt all this stuff from Eck. But he still does not get that ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast metabolism. If you raise ceruloplasmin in slow metabolism , you get hairloss etc. and even slower metabolism. And to raise metabolism in these slow people, you need IRON in most of them. they are not toxic in iron, they are deficient, their 450scc does not work at all. since vitamin B2 is lacking.
And it is lacking since most of those people are toxic in alluminum which kills B2

high thyroid = low magnesium, low thyroid = high magnesium?

 

[dante]

Thyroid should inversly retain magnesium in the cell. Morley Robbins just using ARL program. He learnt all this stuff from Eck. But he still does not get that ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast metabolism. If you raise ceruloplasmin in slow metabolism , you get hairloss etc. and even slower metabolism. And to raise metabolism in these slow people, you need IRON in most of them. they are not toxic in iron, they are deficient, their 450scc does not work at all. since vitamin B2 is lacking.
And it is lacking since most of those people are toxic in alluminum which kills B2

Ray shared one personal anecdote that in his youth , he needed around 5000 cal but after he started taking thyroid, his caloric need went down to 2000-2500 cal . His rationale was that thyroid helps in more efficient ATP production and less wastage towards lactic acid. One other user(if i remember correctly) had the same experience on NDT,his/her caloric need went down on thyroid.
Any comment on the above anecdotes ?

 

[Aleksandr]

Yesterday after reading this stuff i took around 600mg of magnesium chloride (400mg on skin 200mg orally) and boy it made me sleepy! Its 11am the following day and im still sleepy. Slept like a rock last night.


I wonder if the adrenal cocktail (sodium potassium vit c and bicarbonate) is just to keep you feeling energetic while youre storing all that magnesium. I dont remember exactly but i assume magnesium is antagonistic to both sodium and potassium, which would explain the sleepiness.

 

[Helen]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

 

[HerrFisch]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

In ulcerative colitis there is way to much hydrogen peroxide in the colon. Does that mean, that the body increases copper in the cell to increase SOD / ceruloplasmin to fight the hydrogen peroxide? Could that be the cause for extreme excess copper in my hair test?

 

[Aleksandr]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

So to put it simply,

you suggest for any progestin problem (accutane / pfs / ssris) to have magnesium + copper + potassium FOR SHORT TERM (say 2 weeks) dosing once a day

then 1 month of zinc + manganese for hair regrowth and balancing (slow oxidiser)

then simply eat / live for your oxidation type

When you retest your hair everything should be perfectly balanced???

 

[Aleksandr]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

So high magnesium = high potassium / cortisol

Thus no alopecia baldness but grey hair, big belly and perhaps diffuse hairloss???

Man this is super interesting.

Its weird how Ben Greenfields hairtest was off the charts high magnesium but relatively low potassium (well it was probably normal potassium, its just his other minerals were all super high). Although in saying that, he is a slow 4 and does a lot of endurance exercise. Maybe he's just living to his oxidation type, so his minerals are kind of balanced (at least for his type?)

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev here is Morley's new video on iron-copper-magnesium: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r9x4OHbVC6b5DKhhNzMLJ5lC77ccjilf/view

thoughts?

I just outlined what I thought about that.

 

[Legna88]

So I joined this facebook group "magnesium advocacy group", they have a website 'gotmag.com' and its very interesting timing as Gbold's current protocol seems to be strikingly similar.

For instance, Gbold is taking mag / potassium / copper / zinc / b2/ iron / calcium. It seems like they're in order of importance.

The MAG group recommends here: http://gotmag.org/the-root-cause-protocol/
seems heavily focused on increasing Ceruloplasmin. Has gbold written about this before???

i.e. no vit d supplements
no hormone supplements
Recommends magnesium (and co-factors, it says b6/boron/bicarbonate). Says magnesium is the only mineral you can supplement directly and see increases. Says men need 850mg of magnesium a day (holy cow! the magnesium supplements usually only give 100-120mg per capsule or 'serving size' LOL. but i guess you 'd get some from diet too)
they recommend an 'adrenal cocktail' which has around 62mg whole food vit c, 372mg potassium, 458mg sodium chloride
recommends Taurine!
recommends against high dose zinc cos it blocks copper absorption
says copper can't be supplemented directly, you need to get the ceruloplasmin up and that will make copper go up.

From what i know, a human body contains around 25 grams of magnesium vs close to 1,000 grams of calcium. Even if you retain ~500 mg of 850 mg ingested magnesium, in 51 days, won't you have way too much magnesium ? I have doubts on this supraphysiological magnesium loading (atleast for sedantary people). Besides, Ray said that thyroid is one of the signals that retains cellular mag.

Thyroid should inversly retain magnesium in the cell. Morley Robbins just using ARL program. He learnt all this stuff from Eck. But he still does not get that ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast metabolism. If you raise ceruloplasmin in slow metabolism , you get hairloss etc. and even slower metabolism. And to raise metabolism in these slow people, you need IRON in most of them. they are not toxic in iron, they are deficient, their 450scc does not work at all. since vitamin B2 is lacking.
And it is lacking since most of those people are toxic in alluminum which kills B2

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] but Morley does recommend an ancestral diet which is high in iron(e.g. beef liver[200g per week], meat, sea food)

what do u think about boron, what does boron do in the body?

 

[HerrFisch]

If you raise ceruloplasmin in slow metabolism , you get hairloss etc. and even slower metabolism. And to raise metabolism in these slow people, you need IRON in most of them. they are not toxic in iron, they are deficient, their 450scc does not work at all. since vitamin B2 is lacking.
And it is lacking since most of those people are toxic in alluminum which kills B2

This whole "liver full of copper and iron in old people" still confuses me, as Ive seen so many regulations between iron and copper.
For me it almost looks like its only possible to be "toxic" in one of them.

If one can say it that easy, like ARL does, it is Iron that speeds up metabolism and copper slows people down. (Same as quote from Miss helen)

But its often mentioned that people (esp. old ones) get toxic in iron and copper.
Wouldnt it make more sense if fast oxidizer get toxic in iron and slow oxid. in copper?
Both together seems so inconsistently? or nah ?

 

[Aleksandr]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

What do you mean "pressure on iron" as in, it will use iron up?

Sounds like cacao is a good supplement then, its loaded with magnesium AND iron

Or taking lots of magnesium AND red meat like beef brisket.

 

[HerrFisch]

This whole "liver full of copper and iron in old people" still confuses me, as Ive seen so many regulations between iron and copper.
For me it almost looks like its only possible to be "toxic" in one of them.

If one can say it that easy, like ARL does, it is Iron that speeds up metabolism and copper slows people down. (Same as quote from Miss helen)

But its often mentioned that people (esp. old ones) get toxic in iron and copper.
Wouldnt it make more sense if fast oxidizer get toxic in iron and slow oxid. in copper?
Both together seems so inconsistently? or nah ?

Ok so I guess having low bioavailable copper means you cant use iron. And you get iron toxic as well.
As soon as copper is working, iron can work too. (Moly,mn, b2)
I wonder if it can start from both sides.

What do you mean "pressure on iron" as in, it will use iron up?

yes he meant use up,

 

[supernature]

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

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[SwaZ]

I can personally confirm for the "adrenal coctail" giving me huge amounts of energy, and i dont feel shaky or anxious just have this feeling of having energy i can use at any time.

Combine it with about a gram of Vitamin c and some b vitamins and you really have the food for your adrenals.

Or even add in zinc to raise potassium, and manganese to raise sodium and you should really have a boost in energy.

 

[Yura]

Funny thing is that I can't find any supplemental manganese here in my country lol..

 

[Raincoast]

Funny thing is that I can't find any supplemental manganese here in my country lol..

https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Ch...528832240&sr=8-18&keywords=magnesium+chloride