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Since taking electrolytes I feel a lot better but I'm not sure if those are the best electrolytes to take (they lack calcium and they have boron and sulfate in it...)
So I'm going to buy Eidon Electrolytes which are recommended in Electrolytes Protocol.
I sometimes feel some pain in my knees and legs. And my hands crack a lot. But my teeth feel better than normal, therefore I think there might be something good going on with my bones. But I'm not sure...

Also these electrolytes are a bit hard on the stomach. I think it's too much Magnesium in it. It's not really balanced at all.
Hopefully Eidon electrolytes solves this issues.

Still taking normal dose ARL.
 
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HerrFisch said:
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Eidon Electrolytes is a waste of money. Really. mg doses of Electrolytes. ?
And its not balanced either. Higher Magnesium as well.
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with this. Instead, you should buy pure electrolytes in their chloride forms and make your own electrolyte water. You can prepare a big batch, like 10% DV of each per 10ml. Buy a 10ml oral veterinary syringe on Amazon to measure your doses. This is the most convenient way I've found to do it.
 
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Niles said:
Yeah, I'd have to agree with this. Instead, you should buy pure electrolytes in their chloride forms and make your own electrolyte water. You can prepare a big batch, like 10% DV of each per 10ml. Buy a 10ml oral veterinary syringe on Amazon to measure your doses. This is the most convenient way I've found to do it.
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And way cheaper.
I can get 1kg of each KCl, MgCl for 8€. NaCl probably even cheaper. Didn’t look for Calcium yet.
I probably wouldn’t go for chloride form for everything though.
 
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HerrFisch said:
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Are you german? bc you mentioned schiller :)

You said in your first post that you have more hair than everyone else in your family, Do I guess right that you meant head hair ?
Or body hair?
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Yes german/austrian.
Yes I was speaking about head hair, MisterFish!
But also a lot of hair on arms and legs, not much on back and front though...
I think it is because of low calcium/no calcification... I guess!
Thanks for chiming in!
 
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I think I haven't mentioned this: I dropped HCL a while ago because it made me very weak and I always had to sleep in the afternoon.
So I want to reintroduce in now and I plan to take it in the evening with some protein rich meal (+ARL) before going to sleep.
I hope this trick will do it.

I tried it yesterday and although I feel some positive effects (lowered oxidative stress) I feel very weak. I had to drink a pepsi to get anything done.

I think it lowers potassium to much in my case and this lowers oxidative stress (that's why I get some improvements).

I will try this for a week and than conclude if it is worth it.
Hopefully this will help me.

I clearly have a problem with my SODs (Cu, Zn, Mn all low) , that's why I can't tolerate oxidative stress and my metabolism is shut down...
 
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HerrFisch said:
You said you were taking electrolytes that lack calcium. Was that a product you used or individual minerals ?
So I guess you already tried Potassium with the HCL. How much did you use ?
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Yes I use this product currently: https://www.amazon.com/Trace-Minerals-000-Volts-8-Ounce/dp/B000Z98KF8
(about three teaspoon throughout the day)
I take one betaine HCL capsule (650mg).
Maybe I should take electrolytes together with HCL...
I will stick with it. Maybe that's another thing I have to go through...
I'm pretty sure I have low stomach acid (low iron, low manganese...)

EDIT: I just realized: Although I take a lot of this electrolytes (usually more like 4 or 5 teaspoons) it is still very little potassium...
Maybe you are right. I will try to take some potassium (I think a have some potassium gluconate or something) or some breuss juice and see if it helps.
Thanks a lot dude! I will report back!
 
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HCL made me feel awful. Very depressed. I do better on GB3 from ARL, which is a superiour alternative.
 
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manu said:
Yeah makes me depressed also. Isn't this a completely different product?
This is more bile acids than stomach acids, right?
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They basically do the same. GB3 also has a bit of betaine HCL, but mostly consists of bile acids, yeah.
 
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I just copied your ARL results into the TEI report. Your hairtest values look so good. Both in TEI and ARL ^^ (Hopefully no mistakes)
I always do that for my results as well.

But tbh, I think ARL ranges are more precise than TEI. But well, who knows whats truly "right" ?
Looks like TEI is more scared of iron, ARL of Copper. But Mineral ratios are more important, so I would focus on those.

With TEI, your manganese and iron are actually in range. But Mn still low-ish.

Just asking, did you supplement something before having that first hairtest ?
Thyroid or else medication?

So your primary problem is insomnia and fatigue?



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@HerrFisch Ha wow! Thanks a lot!
I would cancel out insomnia. I had a very stressful time - bad sleep was probably caused by this. Not really a problem anymore.

Main symptoms: Fatigue, progressing varicose veins, nasal polyps (sometimes I don't smell anything), Brain Fog (poor memory)

I can't believe this... They have completely different ranges...
I will check if you made any mistakes!

I didn't take any hormones before the test, but I took some manganese, copper, chromium to test some things. But only for a few days and ways 1-2 weeks before the test.

This is what makes me skeptical about this hair test approach: My hair test looks good (especially in TEI), but I'm certainly not in a good state. Believe me.

I have severe oxidative stress and all my symptoms point to this.
Sugar makes all symptoms worse (oxidative stress).

Thanks again @HerrFisch. I appreciate it!
 
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I'm now in a state where ARL supplements make me feel better.
If I forget to take them, I feel fatigued and little depressed.
I have sufficient supplements for this month.
So I have to decide how to continue.
1) take a third round
2) retest ARL
3) test TEI

I'm not sure if 3) works because they dont know which supplements I have taken before the test.

2) is not good because @Helen mentioned they changed their program recently.

I will probably choose 1). A least it makes me feel little bit better...
(But still have to decide then...)

What do you guys think?
Any experience when one should end the cycle?
@HerrFisch
 
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There’s little to backup claims either ARL or TEI is better than the other. Do your own research and you’ll actualy find more people leaning towards ARL. The fact that TEI is suppose to work faster is bogus.
 
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@manu
I would take a 1-2 week break after this month on supplements and see how things are doing. And then retest for a second round if you want. I would go for that 2 month retest.
I dont think that you have to take a big break because of the supplements you took. That would need you to take more time off, if you would want to do that.

Cant tell you to pick TEI over ARL. I think both are good. I even find ARL to be more precise - with the number of supplements they offer.
I think ARL has 50+ supplements and TEI has 18. Dont know if that should tell us something. I cant judge that. (@MNK99 ARL even has Lithium in their prog)
ARL gives way more b vits.

And yes ARL might have changed. But I think both changed. TEI now has methyl forms as well.

Would be interesting to compare the supplement program from ARL and TEI for some hairtests. Maybe with that we could decide which one we prefer. I might do ARL next time. So I can judge for myself.

Would wait for the end of this month on supplements and decide depending on how you are doing.
 
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