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@HerrFisch
Finally I had time to put my hair test into the TEI report like you did. It looks pretty much like yours (except Mg below ideal! ideal=6.5, I have 6.0)
I've actually written a little script which does this. So I can do this next time also.
I can also plug in your numbers if you want.
It's a good idea to do this. It helps putting things in perspective.
Thanks again.
Finally I had time to put my hair test into the TEI report like you did. It looks pretty much like yours (except Mg below ideal! ideal=6.5, I have 6.0)
I've actually written a little script which does this. So I can do this next time also.
I can also plug in your numbers if you want.
It's a good idea to do this. It helps putting things in perspective.
Thanks again.
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@HerrFisch
I'm pretty sure one can't convert ARL to TEI 1:1. I think they measure different values.
If you look at freeflow's thread (see Post fast hair tests): https://hackstasis.com/threads/pre-intra-post-fast-hair-tests-20-days-of-water.1168/
Or when I converted my ARL to TEI I got a Na/K ratio of 1 but I'm sure I have sodium inversion (sugar intolerance, adrenal fatigue, etc.).
So I'm pretty sure that's not a correct way to do it.
Just wanted to let you know
I'm pretty sure one can't convert ARL to TEI 1:1. I think they measure different values.
If you look at freeflow's thread (see Post fast hair tests): https://hackstasis.com/threads/pre-intra-post-fast-hair-tests-20-days-of-water.1168/
Or when I converted my ARL to TEI I got a Na/K ratio of 1 but I'm sure I have sodium inversion (sugar intolerance, adrenal fatigue, etc.).
So I'm pretty sure that's not a correct way to do it.
Just wanted to let you know
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@HerrFisch
I'm pretty sure one can't convert ARL to TEI 1:1. I think they measure different values.
If you look at freeflow's thread (see Post fast hair tests): https://hackstasis.com/threads/pre-intra-post-fast-hair-tests-20-days-of-water.1168/
Or when I converted my ARL to TEI I got a Na/K ratio of 1 but I'm sure I have sodium inversion (sugar intolerance, adrenal fatigue, etc.).
So I'm pretty sure that's not a correct way to do it.
Just wanted to let you know
Both have the same numbers for Na and K. So how can Na/K be different ?
You got 14 and 9 , where do you see Na/k 1
And freeflow already explained why those are not the same results
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manu
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@HerrFisch
You are right about freeflow!
I don't know what you mean by same numbers...
ARL ideals: Na=25, K=10
TEI ideals: Na=20, K=13
If they measure the same values, they have complete different ideal ratios.
ARL Na/K = 2.5
TEI Na/K = 1.53
In TEI I have almost ideal ratio (that's what I meant by ratio = 1). I don't think this right.
I would think they have tested this (adrenaline/cortisol) and would not end up with such different ratios.
I mean this is a crucial ratio right? Completely different nervous system response...
But maybe I'm wrong...
EDIT: Ha sorry HerrFisch you are right they also say 2.5 is ideal ratio! Although their individual ideal values tells a different story...
It's odd, very odd.
You are right about freeflow!
I don't know what you mean by same numbers...
ARL ideals: Na=25, K=10
TEI ideals: Na=20, K=13
If they measure the same values, they have complete different ideal ratios.
ARL Na/K = 2.5
TEI Na/K = 1.53
In TEI I have almost ideal ratio (that's what I meant by ratio = 1). I don't think this right.
I would think they have tested this (adrenaline/cortisol) and would not end up with such different ratios.
I mean this is a crucial ratio right? Completely different nervous system response...
But maybe I'm wrong...
EDIT: Ha sorry HerrFisch you are right they also say 2.5 is ideal ratio! Although their individual ideal values tells a different story...
It's odd, very odd.
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HerrFisch
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Dude that’s why I even started to put the TEI values into ARL.
Do you think i would do this if it’s the same ? haha
That’s the reason for it. TEI and ARL do have different ranges. And TEI Copper 3.9 is in range and in ARL it’s too high.
But still, both test the hair and get the value 15 for Na and 5 for K. Even if it’s High Na and normal Na in the other, ratio still is 3:1
If you go with tei or arl definition of “perfect” values, is your choice.
The bars are not the ratio. It’s about the numbers. And those come out of the hair testing machine. And they should always be the same.
Don’t look at the bars too much.
TEI did center the “optimal area” in the middle. ARL did not. Looks more like a river
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@HerrFisch
Well it's a different way of doing it.
If you take Na=25, K=10 (ideal ratio) and plug it in
it looks like this:
Why not choose individual ideals in a way that they fulfill ideal ratios? (like ARL)
I think it is misleading but, however...
I'm finally convinced sir.
I don't want to bother you further!
Well it's a different way of doing it.
If you take Na=25, K=10 (ideal ratio) and plug it in
it looks like this:
Why not choose individual ideals in a way that they fulfill ideal ratios? (like ARL)
I think it is misleading but, however...
I'm finally convinced sir.
I don't want to bother you further!
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My first ARL cycle is over and I felt fairly good on last days. Little bit better baseline than before ARL.
But recently I had some little pain in one of the teeth, which my dentist put on "watched" last time.
I ate some cream of wheat with maple syrup and the pain went away completely. After a few days there was a little bit of that feeling on the tooth again. Maple syrup. Gone.
I think it's the manganese in maple syrup.
I noticed this before ARL also, that's why I experimented with manganese before.
ARL gave me manganese, that's why I had no problems while on ARL.
Apparently my body tries to get rid of manganese. I think it's to hold iron low.
My silly mind would guess I have iron toxicity.
But fortunately I don't have to figure this out on my own. I have sent in my hair to ARL again.
Hopefully they will cure me.
Have a nice day!
But recently I had some little pain in one of the teeth, which my dentist put on "watched" last time.
I ate some cream of wheat with maple syrup and the pain went away completely. After a few days there was a little bit of that feeling on the tooth again. Maple syrup. Gone.
I think it's the manganese in maple syrup.
I noticed this before ARL also, that's why I experimented with manganese before.
ARL gave me manganese, that's why I had no problems while on ARL.
Apparently my body tries to get rid of manganese. I think it's to hold iron low.
My silly mind would guess I have iron toxicity.
But fortunately I don't have to figure this out on my own. I have sent in my hair to ARL again.
Hopefully they will cure me.
Have a nice day!
manu
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Apparently it's manganese AND b2 which gets wasted in my current body chemistry (that's why maple syrup works much better than plain manganese supplements).
Just note this down here, because I might revisit this log someday and figure out why this happened.
Teas go well with maple syrup IMO )
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I think so too, but I still like TEIs way of doing things (supplementing etc)
manu
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Interesting. So back then they used ideal values which match with their ideal ratios.
However I think their programs run on ratios between minerals mostly.
That's why their ideal ratios haven't really changed (because program hasn't changed that much I would guess).
They just changed the way how the result is presented basically.. IMHO
Yep I prefer tei reports better as well. They give a lot more on there. I haven’t tried tei supplements though.. only arl
Yes that’s also my understanding as well.
manu
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Got my new hair test.
Interestingly my magnesium increased a lot.
Na/K inversion is gone, that's why I feel a little bit better.
Still have adrenal insufficiency but got from exhaustion stage to resistance stage (according to ARL).
ARL also states that I have impaired digestion and liver/kidney stress. I might consider doing a liver flush, since I have all the ingredients at home... but I don't want to do anything which might interfere with ARL so maybe a will do it sometime in the future...
Unfortunately manganese has not improved...
They give me so much megapan it's crazy ))
Interestingly my magnesium increased a lot.
Na/K inversion is gone, that's why I feel a little bit better.
Still have adrenal insufficiency but got from exhaustion stage to resistance stage (according to ARL).
ARL also states that I have impaired digestion and liver/kidney stress. I might consider doing a liver flush, since I have all the ingredients at home... but I don't want to do anything which might interfere with ARL so maybe a will do it sometime in the future...
Unfortunately manganese has not improved...
They give me so much megapan it's crazy ))
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HerrFisch
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I have the same with manganese. Took a lot for months and it even decreased.
Really don’t know why. Maybe because of iron.
why is your upload quality always so bad?
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How did you manage to increase magnesium that much? Mine seems to get higher the less I supplement it. It's low again now.
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Because I'm lazy. I have reuploaded it for you.
Yes I think manganese and iron should go hand in hand.
Your iron hasn't improved as well.
I remember @Helen once mentioned that an increase in iron on hairtest is a very good sign of progress. I think it is just still ahead of us.
Because I'm lazy. I have reuploaded it for you.
Yes I think manganese and iron should go hand in hand.
Your iron hasn't improved as well.
I remember @Helen once mentioned that an increase in iron on hairtest is a very good sign of progress. I think it is just still ahead of us.