minerals participated in steroid conversion-need help

[ruprmurdoch]

I'm looking for evidences that :
1.DHEA to Testosterone is based on zinc. What enzyme in conversion of dhea to test is based on zinc ?
2.Testosterone to E2 is based on copper. I cant find information of copper being part of aromatase.

I will appreciate links with studies, images

 

[supernature]

I will appreciate links with studies, images

Mansour, 1989

 

[bruschi11]

Mansour, 1989

That’s just stupid dude.

Not too funny directing people to google when it comes to this stuff. Because we all know how hard it is to prove this stuff to people who all think we are insane.

 

[supernature]

That’s just stupid dude.

Directing someone to continue their own research while giving details to the Q they need !

Watch how you come upon me. You came with some nonsense talk on a post of mine to another user the other day, here is it again, this time using excuses that stuff is hard and people are sick.

If you know more, give your advice your way, dont comment on mine.

 

[bruschi11]

Directing someone to continue their own research while giving details to the Q they need !

Watch how you come upon me. You came with some nonsense talk on a post of mine the other day, here is it again, using excuses that stuff is hard and people are sick.

If you know more, give your advice your way, dont comment on mine.

“Nonsense talk on a post of mine.”

I said that Carnitine slows thyroid. Lol how the heck is that nonsense.

It’s not that easy finding research on the stuff we are doing here. I’ve searched for this specific info and it’s not easy at all. And making it seem easy as google is just ignorant.

Clearly @ruprmurdoch needs the info for something and I’d bet he already has done some searching on the topic. Recalling most of what I’ve read from him, he’s an educated guy who has contributed here quite a bit.

I’m ending this now.

 

[Ocguy]

Mansour, 1989

Sending someone to a blank Google index page is being a smartass.. or was that not your intention?

 

[supernature]

Clearly @ruprmurdoch needs the info for something and I’d bet he already has done some searching on the topic.

Sending someone to a blank Google index page is being a smartass.. or was that not your intention?

Are two of you are blind or cant read ?

Heres what he is struggling with:

I'm looking for evidences

I cant find information

And heres my response with details on a subject the OP is requesting:

"Mansour, 1989"


With a link to google, so to be able to complete his own research.


@Ocguy @bruschi11

 

[supernature]

Sending someone to a blank Google index page is being a smartass.. or was that not your intention?

Maybe you hardly make difference b/w google index page and google index page + search word.

 

[supernature]

said that Carnitine slows thyroid. Lol how the heck is that nonsense.

And nobody was asking any information from you on the subject. And what you said was already stated, but my Q was completely different. You obviously was looking for an interaction with no solution.

 

[Ocguy]

Are two of you are blind or cant read ?

Heres what he is struggling with:







And heres my response with details on a subject the OP is requesting:

"Mansour, 1989"


With a link to google, so to be able to complete his own research.


@Ocguy @bruschi11

When I click on it nothing shows up.. that's why I asked.. the query gets chopped.. I commented because I thought it wasn't just a problem with my phone

 

[TubZy]

Mansour, 1989

just help the poor guy out, why even post that at all lol

 

[supernature]

OMG you guys idk what is wrong with you, look what you did with the thread, instead of go forward on the two topics the OP requested need more info you decided to go and look for faulty links, bad intentions, voodoo and knows what else.

Well coming from a dramatic attitude is not a good thing, but creating more drama is just insane.

just help the poor guy out, why even post that at all lol

I helped him that much, you can help him better, show us how it looks like to do all the work and post the results so everybody can see and only no one can appreciate.

d.. I commented because I thought it wasn't just a problem with my phone

This is def problem with your phone, it seems you are too busy for this to research it, but you wait someone to do this for you.
Let me guess you are still on your phone and havent looked it.


Looks like OP had difficulty finding some, but they are willing to search, so i gave details on the first topic and when they look it up once more it will pop right up and make sense. That way they can finish what already they began by themselves.


@Boris, @Ocguy, @bruschi11

Why you even commenting as is seen you are not even helping with anything the OP asked.

Me at least gave him right direction so he can finish what they started.

 

[Ocguy]

OMG you guys idk what is wrong with you, look what you did with the thread, instead of go forward on the two topics the OP requested need more info you decided to go and look for faulty links, bad intentions, voodoo and knows what else.

Well coming from a dramatic attitude is not a good thing, but creating more drama is just insane.





I helped him that much, you can help him better, show us how it looks like to do all the work and post the results so everybody can see and only no one can appreciate.






This is def problem with your phone, it seems you are too busy for this to research it, but you wait someone to do this for you.
Let me guess you are still on your phone and havent looked it.


Looks like OP had difficulty finding some, but they are willing to search, so i gave details on the first topic and when they look it up once more it will pop right up and make sense. That way they can finish what already they began by themselves.


@Boris, @Ocguy, @bruschi11

Why you even commenting as is seen you are not even helping with anything the OP asked.

Me at least gave him right direction so he can finish what they started.

Ok.. i went there on my computer.. confirms you are an idiot.. the search results on your keyword aren't even close to relevant. why not post a link to the article or paper you are trying to reference?- because even google doesn't find it..
nobody was looking to criticize your post but u made it pretty easy. and the fact you are defending and attacking those that question it is even more pathetic

 

[bruschi11]

OMG you guys idk what is wrong with you, look what you did with the thread, instead of go forward on the two topics the OP requested need more info you decided to go and look for faulty links, bad intentions, voodoo and knows what else.

Well coming from a dramatic attitude is not a good thing, but creating more drama is just insane.





I helped him that much, you can help him better, show us how it looks like to do all the work and post the results so everybody can see and only no one can appreciate.






This is def problem with your phone, it seems you are too busy for this to research it, but you wait someone to do this for you.
Let me guess you are still on your phone and havent looked it.


Looks like OP had difficulty finding some, but they are willing to search, so i gave details on the first topic and when they look it up once more it will pop right up and make sense. That way they can finish what already they began by themselves.


@Boris, @Ocguy, @bruschi11

Why you even commenting as is seen you are not even helping with anything the OP asked.

Me at least gave him right direction so he can finish what they started.

Just get over it dude. You did something ignorant and got called out for it.

Should’ve just accepted it like an adult, apologized, and just moved on.

I’ve done Some stupid things here and after getting called out by @Helen lol I’ll normally accept the fact and end it.

But now we have a thread with 13 posts with zero answer to @ruprmurdoch . I like the question too very much and would love to see some sort of answer.

 

[manu]

I don't think it is that straight forward but maybe it's 3-beta hsd which is zinc dependent:
https://www.meridianvalleylab.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/testmetab.jpg
Role of zinc in regulating the testicular function. Part 2. Effect of dietary zinc deficiency on gonadotropins, prolactin and testosterone levels a... - PubMed - NCBI

Funny thing is I'm sure Helen could answer this by heart, but he still let's us struggle, tough love!

@Ocguy haha ))

 

[supernature]

Ok.. i went there on my computer.. confirms you are an idiot.. the search results on your keyword aren't even close to relevant. why not post a link to the article or paper you are trying to reference?- because even google doesn't find it..
nobody was looking to criticize your post but u made it pretty easy. and the fact you are defending and attacking those that question it is even more pathetic

You are such disgrace, an old guy talking bullshit, you are probably full of it.

Attacking . , me ? hahaha


my search word is just half of the equation you moron, but when what i wrote the OP adds their search words obviously zinc and 3b-hsd, they will find a study with the exact thing they are asking for.

Probably a moron like yourself if just do this will find it as well, but instead you are using your phone to talk shit to other people over inet, you keyboard bully.

Now get a hell out of my profile and dont quote me again.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

Yeah it's hard to determine straightforward connection between zinc and Dhea to Test conversion. I cant find it.
For Test to E2 conversion and Cu as well. As Helen said, hormones are for retaining chosen minerals, and Testosterone retains iron, Estradiol copper.

 

[supernature]

Just get over it dude. You did something ignorant and got called out for it.

Should’ve just accepted it like an adult, apologized, and just moved on.

I’ve done Some stupid things here and after getting called out by @Helen lol I’ll normally accept the fact and end it.

But now we have a thread with 13 posts with zero answer to @ruprmurdoch . I like the question too very much and would love to see some sort of answer.

Im stunned of the fact an emotional wreck like yourself is trying to match with myself using your own mistakes and trying to implement them on me. This is outragious, there is no excuse for your behaviour, you are lazy and you dont have anything to do, thats why you go on stupid comments and conversations, i guess thats how you score so many answers under your profile.

Instead of helping the OP you are accusing me of doing stupid things, you are total wreck and a disgrace, dont quote me no more.

Instead of waiting like an observer go look it up yourself, you will end up with the same name of the researcher i came up with. Never read the paper myself, but it exists since 1989.

 

[bruschi11]

Love the personal attacks.

Don’t think I need to defend myself, but I will briefly.

I’ll just say if you had ammonia turned up in your system to double to triple what it should be you’d be the same “emotional wreck” I was post hydrogen for 6 months till i finally took care of Lyme this past feb.

Hydrogen experiment led to me basically physically and mentally disabled again- never mind the amount of money I missed out on for missing 6 months of work. Of course I’d get emotional at times.

There were several days I will never forget the ammonia what it felt like and how I had to lock myself in a room and just do nothing but smoke weed and lay on couch to stop the suicidal ideation with a mind racing 1000 mph and a feeling of a fist pushing brain into skull. Severe light sensitivity the symptoms were unbearable but I did it. Instead of react emotionally, I’d do my best to remain calm.

You have zero idea what I’ve gone through and what I’ve done to combat this stuff. You’ll never fight something the way I’ve fought. You don’t have it in you.

For the record, I had zero idea what “mansour 1989” meant. I thought you were trolling. Maybe... “search ‘mansour 1989’ on google” would have been better understood.

Now understanding your intention. No it wasn’t a stupid post based on intention. But I was looking forward to reading something when you posted it and a google page pops up. Of course I think you’re trolling- I was like wtf what a dick.

 

[bruschi11]

To make myself as clear as possible here and understanding your intent Now. It was a major misunderstanding. @supernature

I completely believed you basically said to @ruprmurdoch ”google it.” Which would have been a scum bag thing to do. Absolute scum bag. And anyone and everyone here would have reason to call you out for that.

But that wasn’t the case and you gave him a keyword to search. I get it now. It wasn’t a scum bag move. Maybe not best move in world but it wasn’t anything near to what I thought you intended.