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mattyb said:
This method is different then the pills/sticks that are commercially sold. He talks about those in the video, also says they are no good, maybe have like 0.3 ppm. He tests it in the video, he got 2.6ppm. He costed it out, said it costs about 3 cents a bottle this way.
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I doubt he measures it correctly. but in any case this method is valid and it does work. Such a pain to make. Plus inhaling the gas gives you so much more than this. I drink like 3 liters of hydrogen water a day .

I tried this exact method. And I never got higher than the machine for some reason. or even close the the machine levels.
 
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Guys, im very interested in buying this machine in the near future and test it out for my PFS.

I need your opinion what if i bought a less expensive version, around 800-1200 usd like these:
Portable High concentration hydrogen water production device "Lourdes" Sh... P/O | eBay
Lourdes Hydrogen Water Generator - HS-71 Silver - Antioxidant Hydrogen Water | eBay

Do these machines put the same amount of hydrogen in the water? Just these dont have the breathing hydrogen function?

What about this Quicksilver hydrogen suppelement?
Quicksilver Scientific H2 Elite

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Can this machine cure the excessive NADPH that I have in PFS? In that case it would mean its very close to my cure.

R andro and copper is g6pdh inhibitor and they both recover my digestion, let my liver function again, good bile acid production.
 
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The things that worry me about the magnesium sticks are that you don't necessarily know how much magnesium you're ingesting, and there may be a purity issue with the sticks. On eBay they sell as 99.99% pure, but who knows.

A guy in the comment section of YouTube suggested using magnesium carbonate and ascorbic acid, which (he claims) would react in water to make magnesium ascorbate + H2. 2 benefits here would be better purity of the magnesium source and a superior magnesium compound as a product of the reaction (magnesium ascorbate > magnesium malate).

Any chemistry folks here know if this would work, and if so, what amounts of magnesium carbonate and ascorbic acid would be necessary for a reaction in ~12oz of water? @mattyb @gbolduev

If not magnesium carbonate, is there any food grade magnesium compound that would form h2 in the presence of heat + acid + water? If not, maybe a way to break the bond of a food grade magnesium compound to yield high purity elemental magnesium to combine with heat + acid + water?
 
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Niles said:
The things that worry me about the magnesium sticks are that you don't necessarily know how much magnesium you're ingesting, and there may be a purity issue with the sticks. On eBay they sell as 99.99% pure, but who knows.

A guy in the comment section of YouTube suggested using magnesium carbonate and ascorbic acid, which (he claims) would react in water to make magnesium ascorbate + H2. 2 benefits here would be better purity of the magnesium source and a superior magnesium compound as a product of the reaction (magnesium ascorbate > magnesium malate).

Any chemistry folks here know if this would work, and if so, what amounts of magnesium carbonate and ascorbic acid would be necessary for a reaction in ~12oz of water? @mattyb @gbolduev

If not magnesium carbonate, is there any food grade magnesium compound that would form h2 in the presence of heat + acid + water? If not, maybe a way to break the bond of a food grade magnesium compound to yield high purity elemental magnesium to combine with heat + acid + water?
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Pretty simple equation to balance MgCO3 + 2C6H8O6 -> C12H14MgO12 + CO2 + H2O

That would give you magnesium ascorbate, carbon dioxide, and water. I don't see any way that reaction would create H2 gas.
 
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mattyb said:
Pretty simple equation to balance MgCO3 + 2C6H8O6 -> C12H14MgO12 + CO2 + H2O

That would give you magnesium ascorbate, carbon dioxide, and water. I don't see any way that reaction would create H2 gas.
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Thanks, I figured so :/
 
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freeflow said:
Guys, im very interested in buying this machine in the near future and test it out for my PFS.

I need your opinion what if i bought a less expensive version, around 800-1200 usd like these:
Portable High concentration hydrogen water production device "Lourdes" Sh... P/O | eBay
Lourdes Hydrogen Water Generator - HS-71 Silver - Antioxidant Hydrogen Water | eBay

Do these machines put the same amount of hydrogen in the water? Just these dont have the breathing hydrogen function?

What about this Quicksilver hydrogen suppelement?
Quicksilver Scientific H2 Elite

@gbolduev @mattyb @Slayo

Can this machine cure the excessive NADPH that I have in PFS? In that case it would mean its very close to my cure.

R andro and copper is g6pdh inhibitor and they both recover my digestion, let my liver function again, good bile acid production.
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Those links that you posted are old Lourdes machines. Get a new one if you are going to get lourdes, get lourdes hydrofix. or get the previous version. with the LCD screen. I got mine for 1000. Lourdes Hydrogen Water Generator - Hs-81 Digital Display | eBay

I got this previous model.( red model with LCD screen) But I do have a separate expensive inhaling device.

If you were to spend money I would rec that hydrofix machine. Inhaling the gas is much more efficient IMO


You can try those chinese machines on amazon that make hydrogen . those are around 1000 each. They made 500 of H2 gas, but they are chinese. SO not sure how safe those are. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=h2+gas+generator&rh=i:aps,k:h2+gas+generator

Lourdes is number 1 machine in Japan. If you dont count those expensive ones for inhalation. I got the expensive 10k one. and Japan is number 1 in hydrogen water usage.
 
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I am curious how long this machine(Lauders) can or will work? If it is used a lot? Are in it any parts which needs to be serviced etc.?
 
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Anyone take a look at the "High Rich" machine? It claims to get 1.4ppm H2 into 8oz of water in 3-5 minutes, all while maintaining the original ph of the water. It's the only "portable" H2 water generator I've seen that actually advertises their H2 ppm. Also significantly more affordable than Lourdes:


Thinking about grabbing one to confirm the 1.4ppm H2. If it doesn't hit that mark, I'd return it.
 
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Niles said:
Anyone take a look at the "High Rich" machine? It claims to get 1.4ppm H2 into 8oz of water in 3-5 minutes, all while maintaining the original ph of the water. It's the only "portable" H2 water generator I've seen that actually advertises their H2 ppm. Also significantly more affordable than Lourdes:


Thinking about grabbing one to confirm the 1.4ppm H2. If it doesn't hit that mark, I'd return it.
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That looks more affordable, and has a breathing attachment. Don't see a lifetime listed... is there a usage limit?
 
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You can also make hydrogen with zinc and HCL. People are doing it like on the video. Just with jars. You will have some water and hydrogen in the jar. So shake it up and drink the water..

 
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For the bottle method you can use an extra test tube for the magnesium stick so only the hydrogen escapes, which should leave the magnesium and potential impurities behind.

The method is explained in this post at Longecity: longecity.org/forum/topic/76459-dyi-hydrogen-water-sticks/#entry805702

It was originally devised and discussed in this thread:
longecity.org/forum/topic/86247-hydrogen-water-as-a-much-cheaper-alternative-to-mk677/page-1
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Video of the method, for those who don't feel like reading through the thread.

Note: The test tube stopper has a tiny hole in the top, allowing only the H2 to escape into the bottle.
 
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He is using vinegar in the video. So the reaction for hydrogen production needs magnesium, acid and water? So if I use for example citric acid. I need add water to the tube right? This is really cool idea. That just hydrogen goes into water. So now with this method you can even use magnesium with smaller purity.? I am not sure if those impurities can escape from the hole in the plug..
 
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Yura said:
He is using vinegar in the video. So the reaction for hydrogen production needs magnesium, acid and water? So if I use for example citric acid. I need add water to the tube right? This is really cool idea. That just hydrogen goes into water. So now with this method you can even use magnesium with smaller purity.? I am not sure if those impurities can escape from the hole in the plug..
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Really no telling how well this can prevent impurities from escaping into the water, because depending on the impurities, unwanted gases could be created and escape into the solution. It's a good precaution, though, and it should at least prevent solid and most liquid impurities from getting into the solution. Also don't need to worry about magnesium consumption with this method.

Good question about the powdered acid + magnesium - i'm not sure if you'd need to add some water into the test tube with it. I didn't read anything like that mentioned in the longecity thread, but I really just skimmed it.
 
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