More emphasis on diet! What are YOU eating?

[tallglass13]

I think there should be more emphasis on diet and specific food protocols. Helen said rice, protein , and spinach. But I think there should be more options , and more detail. Most experts like Waidiet, or even Ray Peat have diets that don't require any supplements because the diet is supposed to contain all nutrients. Waidiet believes that MORE is not better. and supplements contain concentrated nutrients that body now has to handle and adjust absorption rates. Yolks , OJ, and sashimi is supposed to have all nutrients if you get enough calories.
For example, the last few days before today, I was eating an American Macrobiotic diet, which is whole grains, beans and veg. Damn, if I didn't get so freaking bloated, felt like shit, farting, and my stomach sticking out like I was pregnant. I knew that might happen, but I was experimenting. Yolk, OJ, sashimi, beef is a much better diet. no fiber, and makes your skin look great. I hope I never feel the need to change again. Of course there is munch foods I can eat for fun.
What are YOU eating? What has worked for you guys. I was doing so well last week on yolks and OJ , sashimi, I had good skin, and boners.hahaha.
then went whole grains and boners went away.
I still think there is room for herbs along with diet. Icarrin, butea, bulbine, vitex, androsterone. Things to enhance your manhood. I'm starting to think that common horse shoe male baldness is Localized. As a RN , Ive seen the sickest , diabetics, amputated legs, but still have full head of hair, Inflammation, calcification and skull expansion are local to the top of the head. Like Johnny Sins for example, he is super lean, vascular, big penis, but is bald as F. his skull is pointy at the top, skull expansion, possibly due to the anabolic action of DHT that is known to grow certain tissues.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I am eating beef, eggs, honey, some fruit, white rice and some dairy (yoghurt/kefir). That's it. I have no bloating, no farting, etc. I eat 2-3 meals a day.

 

[Helen]

@tallglass13

You cant not enhance anything. It is all about being balanced. just think about cell as sodium potassium calcium magnesium.

When those are balanced= maximum power= no hairloss, = best nitic oxide = good skin etc ,

Most testosterone boosters raise sodium potassium ratio. You get bloated, your sodium gets higher than potassium = you get old.

this is why when people take steroids. most of it just get pissed out. Since you cant not increase testoterone in your body. the body will always try to balance sodium potassium ratio. and it will do anything to get rid of stuff which is causing this ratio to be unbalanced

Most people do have lower sodium to potassium ratio. Since most people are slightly catabolic. but it is a stereotype. and not true for all people. And some of those catabolic people can benefit from tiny ammounts of testosterone , since if you over do it and your sodium goes up. You will lose the libido and your buffer systems will be at work and you will start aging.

I never said to eat spinach rice and protein. I eat tons of sea food. fruit, and tons of other stuff. My diet is very close to okinawa diet.

Also you should understand that DHT goes up with age, not down. the older men are the higher DHT gets. since AR receptor which is zinc cysteine histidine and arginine goes down and a lot of b2 is being spent on glutathione recycling. Thus DHT goes up along with estrogens.

This is why you see old guys get hair all over their body at old age. on the back especially.

I have no idea why people think DHT is good. DHT is not good. and best kept at normal concentrations. normal DHT shows you that your AR is working properly.

High DHT happens when AR is not working and with high dht you get also high estrogen and prolactin.

I had DHT levels of 5000 on a scale of 200-800. And very low estrogen . And was sick with 2 cancers. My sodium was 270 on the hairtest. And instead of libido , I had crazy anger. So more is not the better.

Some people need to lower DHT to feel more libido like it was in my case.

I think hairloss is FAD problem, and the zinc finger gets weak. and thus DHT rises. They think it is DHT that does the damage, but it has nothing to do with the DHT. It is the FAD deficiency which causes high DHT( which is irrelevant for the hair) and FAD deficeincy which cause nitric oxide and glutathione deficiency which kills the hair.


So the bottom line - zinc finger gets weak. you get insenstitive AR, body raises LH, you get more estrogen DHT and obviously prolactin. Prolactin is there to retain calcium in the body. and prolactin should rise only in fast metabolism when calcium is needed. But if there is zinc finger deficiency , then prolactin rises in slow metabolism and this causes calcification since calcium can be in ionized form.

This is why vitamin B2 and zinc = 5 alpha reducatase inhibitors. Sinc zinc finger = zinc cysteine. so you get zinc adn to get to cysteine you need FAD.

So B2 and zinc will make the AR receptor stronger and will lower prolactin. And also DHT will go down. which is not bad, it is good. DHT should stay normal and never high.

The more people play with increasing it. the more DHT goes up. and people like haidut say that DHT stimulates its own production LOL/ Yes it does. Since zinc finger gets weaker and you need more DHT and more. so DHT does increase its production, since it become insensitive.

So anabolics raise sodium it makes no sense to take anabolic if your sodium is higher than potassium . This is why if people take anabolics I always say to take them with potassium saving things like progesterone. or vitex

 

[Nighteyes]

I never said to eat spinach rice and protein. I eat tons of sea food. fruit, and tons of other stuff. My diet is very close to okinawa diet.

I was wondering if would maybe share a typical day for you from cronometer? Would be interested in seeing that. I could use som inspiration. When you say fruit, do you eat/juice pineapple? It's mineral and vitamin content is amazing (manganese, b6, b1 etc).. Seems like a good slow-oxidiser fruit

 

[tallglass13]

thank you @Helen , I always enjoy when you write in detail. As for the enhancers, I use them ONLY for anticipated intercourse. Hopefully one day I will not NEED them. But I seem to use them for certain occasions only. And for the 6 years i've been divorced, they have come in handy, no pun intended. As a PFS, and I had issues even prior , I'm trying to rebuild and go above and beyond. like Area. But of course, want to do it the right way. Your explanations are intriguing and they seem to be the hard truth. as we all want easy way out e.g steroids, but they only hurt us worse , as you keep reminding us.
Ok , so increase FAD. B2 Zinc=help lower DHT
My thread was basically to talk about balance diet. OJ for potassium, sugar, and C. yolks for the B's, and sashimi for protein and B3. Fruits are always good it seems for the other minerals and vits.

 

[supernature]

So the bottom line - zinc finger gets weak. you get insenstitive AR, body raises LH, you get more estrogen DHT and obviously prolactin. Prolactin is there to retain calcium in the body. and prolactin should rise only in fast metabolism when calcium is needed. But if there is zinc finger deficiency , then prolactin rises in slow metabolism and this causes calcification since calcium can be in ionized form.

This is why vitamin B2 and zinc = 5 alpha reducatase inhibitors. Sinc zinc finger = zinc cysteine. so you get zinc adn to get to cysteine you need FAD.

So B2 and zinc will make the AR receptor stronger and will lower prolactin. And also DHT will go down. which is not bad, it is good. DHT should stay normal and never high.

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[MNK99]

You think a non PFS people could benefit of this scenario as well regarding lowering already high DHT and thus balancing AR toward more optimal levels. Thing is PFS or not the end result might not differ that much in terms of expression and levels of certain hormones, the receptors might be different thing.
Is it safe for people w/o pronounced insensitivity of AR, but with signs of probably upregulated DHT to do this same course of treatment ?

YES. I think so. Not 100% though. Doubt it would harm too much.

@tallglass13, "skull expansion", means looser scalp... or increased circumference of skull? Bone growth / forward maxillary growth?

 

[tallglass13]

The skull expansion Theory was written by Paul Taylor, and he actually got it published in a medical journal... It's the growth of the skull bones the parietal and occipital skull bones which are higher and outward growth of the frontal bones... Causing a tight scalp and cut off blood flow to the whole Galea, which is exactly where male pattern baldness takes place... in his book he shows examples of exactly where the growth takes place on men, which like someone like Brad Pitt who has a square head shape will never go bald, contrary to someone like Bruce Willis with a round head shape and high skull bones... try to find a picture of LL Cool J without his hat extreme skull expansion.

 

[Nina]

@tallglass13

You cant not enhance anything. It is all about being balanced. just think about cell as sodium potassium calcium magnesium.

When those are balanced= maximum power= no hairloss, = best nitic oxide = good skin etc ,

Most testosterone boosters raise sodium potassium ratio. You get bloated, your sodium gets higher than potassium = you get old.

this is why when people take steroids. most of it just get pissed out. Since you cant not increase testoterone in your body. the body will always try to balance sodium potassium ratio. and it will do anything to get rid of stuff which is causing this ratio to be unbalanced

Most people do have lower sodium to potassium ratio. Since most people are slightly catabolic. but it is a stereotype. and not true for all people. And some of those catabolic people can benefit from tiny ammounts of testosterone , since if you over do it and your sodium goes up. You will lose the libido and your buffer systems will be at work and you will start aging.

I never said to eat spinach rice and protein. I eat tons of sea food. fruit, and tons of other stuff. My diet is very close to okinawa diet.

Also you should understand that DHT goes up with age, not down. the older men are the higher DHT gets. since AR receptor which is zinc cysteine histidine and arginine goes down and a lot of b2 is being spent on glutathione recycling. Thus DHT goes up along with estrogens.

This is why you see old guys get hair all over their body at old age. on the back especially.

I have no idea why people think DHT is good. DHT is not good. and best kept at normal concentrations. normal DHT shows you that your AR is working properly.

High DHT happens when AR is not working and with high dht you get also high estrogen and prolactin.

I had DHT levels of 5000 on a scale of 200-800. And very low estrogen . And was sick with 2 cancers. My sodium was 270 on the hairtest. And instead of libido , I had crazy anger. So more is not the better.

Some people need to lower DHT to feel more libido like it was in my case.

I think hairloss is FAD problem, and the zinc finger gets weak. and thus DHT rises. They think it is DHT that does the damage, but it has nothing to do with the DHT. It is the FAD deficiency which causes high DHT( which is irrelevant for the hair) and FAD deficeincy which cause nitric oxide and glutathione deficiency which kills the hair.


So the bottom line - zinc finger gets weak. you get insenstitive AR, body raises LH, you get more estrogen DHT and obviously prolactin. Prolactin is there to retain calcium in the body. and prolactin should rise only in fast metabolism when calcium is needed. But if there is zinc finger deficiency , then prolactin rises in slow metabolism and this causes calcification since calcium can be in ionized form.

This is why vitamin B2 and zinc = 5 alpha reducatase inhibitors. Sinc zinc finger = zinc cysteine. so you get zinc adn to get to cysteine you need FAD.

So B2 and zinc will make the AR receptor stronger and will lower prolactin. And also DHT will go down. which is not bad, it is good. DHT should stay normal and never high.

The more people play with increasing it. the more DHT goes up. and people like haidut say that DHT stimulates its own production LOL/ Yes it does. Since zinc finger gets weaker and you need more DHT and more. so DHT does increase its production, since it become insensitive.

So anabolics raise sodium it makes no sense to take anabolic if your sodium is higher than potassium . This is why if people take anabolics I always say to take them with potassium saving things like progesterone. or vitex

@Helen Can your body retain the minerals from diet as needed or do you have to increase the mineral you need in your diet? Like increase potassium in your diet so your body retains more or will it just retain what it needs anyways no matter how much you eat?

 

[Helen]

The therapy in the links i posted is about ingesting 25% magnesium chloride solution.

125ml, 2- 3 times per day for healing and 1x125ml for maintenance.

Roland, the same posts are about sodium, calcium )) and all other minerals, Do you understand how stupid this is. Salt cure , cures all. then calcium cure - cures everything cancer , coral calcium. Now magnesium cure.

The cure is balanced metabolism with all macro minerals. that is why in electrolytes protocol there is all of them.

 

[MNK99]

zsoka said: The therapy in the links i posted is about ingesting 25% magnesium chloride solution. 125ml, 2- 3 times per day for healing and 1x125ml for maintenanc
-Correcting me when I'm correct again?
-Mg Cl hexahydrate is mag chloride. Hand's half broken, o/w I'd write the correct chemical formula out. You clown.
-Fuck it: MgCl2(H2O) or say one dot product can be the hexahydrate, MgCl₂ * 6 H₂O etc.

BUT: Zsoka don't you ever fucking dare test me on reading comprehension.


Some Mg forms were for stimulant use and some were for PFS. Do you really thing MgCl cures all condns for every person regardless of diet, exercise, genetics, and random things that cannot be controlled for?
Are you unwell?

 

[Helen]

Herman, I never claimed that one mineral is a cure all...

One day you say it is all about iron-zinc-copper, one week later you change ur mind and say its all about hydrogen water and/or chloride.. a week later is all abotu fasting... few das later is all about aminos, a month later NO, its all about potassium; 2 weeks later its all about b1/b2/ all Bs; few days later its all about methylation/b12/folic acid, 1 week later (now) its all about Mg-Ca-K-Na...

I am waiting what will be ''all about'' 1- 2 weeks/months from now... the only inconsistent one is: you.

I always said to get all nutrients(vitamins, minerals, calories, proteins, carbs, fats. water) at RDA levels, every day... but than you said that getting all RDAs daily cant work.

You, TOTALLY changing your mind and contradicting yourself every few days/weeks (while laughing at everybody's comments) is not stupid, me saying get all RDA everyday is stupid. Interesting...

You are the one who posts all these salt cures, eat salt and it will cure you, the calcium cure, then now magnesium. What the f are you talking a bout I change my mind




REad electrolytes protocol. it is all there, and it does not change for months. It DOES NOT change.


Certain imbalances have to do with certain minerals. PFS is one, UC is another diabetes is another. cancer is third.

it is not about copper, and it i not about this or that. it is about the balance for certain people.

all I talk about NO or copper or potassium for PFS , and this has nothing to do with you.

What does PFS has to do with you. It is about copper , about b1 and b2 about potassium and NO. what does it have to do with you? that is the question.

PFS is a certain imbalance one of 100 others. Electrolytes protocol is to cure all imbalances, since it provides most of the needed things but it can take a long long time,

You for some reason follow me to the threads about PFS and claim I change my mind about PFS? LOL are you ok? We are looking for cure for PFS , that is why we are changing and looking.

And you should stop reading about it. because it has nothing to do with you. For you there is electrolytes protocol and nothing else and NOTHING CHANGES

I said that for certain imbalances it does not work to get daily RDAs. Since if you are copper toxic and iron toxic which most people are. getting those from food does not change anything. you will need to avoid them for a year to chelate them out of your brain. And then you can start eating RDas

People have mutations. and thus people are not processing food all the same. If you have FAD mutation and you eat copper and iron . good luck to you.

And FAD mutation is about b2 and b1. And most people have a problem there. but people need to test it and see if there is a problem there.

You can eat all RDAs you want. but if you are missing FAD creation. You will be getting more and more toxic. from food. might as well not eat at all

Another person can have copper transport mutation and will be deficient in copper and needs to eat more of it. another person will have this and that.

And to cure a mutation there is always fasting, or a specific program which chelates the minerals interfering with the enzyme action. And no you cant do that eating RDAs. since during the chelation process you will need 100 times of RDA of certain things.

This is why electrolytes protocol has dosages of B vitamns way over RDA like 10000 times,. Because eating food will not provide you with that. Food is balanced so you eat copper with glycine and b2 lets say in some food. But if you are already toxic in copper you eat copper glycine and b2. but your b2 will be spent in a microsecond. on glutathione since there is too much free copper already in blood.And you will end up more toxic from food then before. I hope you realize this. And realize why eating food does not work in some cases. So you eat eat and eat and get more and more toxic. this is why animals when they get sick. they dont eat anything and eat grass to chelate free minerals.

Lets say to chelate iron from the brain like in Parkinsons, you will need B2 and b1 , glutathione in 1000 time more than RDA. this is why I rec crazy dosages of ALL Bs in electrolytes protocol.

It does not mean that you as a sport person will need b1 and b2/ Sports people usually are not toxic in stuff they are deficient in stuff. And that is why reading some stuff from Nathan Hathch crashed you, since in fast oxidizer you dont take B1 or B2 , since they are already fast and burn thru sugar fast , and need to slow down the burning, not increase it. SO they need to support buffer systems more. like b12 like folic acid. other than b1 and b2.


So these are example of you , how certain people will need certain things. Like if someone is mercury toxic. And that person eat all RDas. that person will spend all glutathione components in seconds after he eats and will be stuck with extra minerals that cant work at all. since b1 and b2 are not there,

this is why people's livers are full of iron and copper when biopsied. and the brain also.

Since people simply over time cant use them without glutathione components.

Read the work of Dog person on phoenix rising who biopsied 100s of livers of dogs. Same thing all toxic in copper and iron.
this is why liver beef liver is also very high in copper and iron)) Since they are same as humans retain too much copper and iron in their livers. And then people eat it))

 

[Helen]

You think a non PFS people could benefit of this scenario as well regarding lowering already high DHT and thus balancing AR toward more optimal levels. Thing is PFS or not the end result might not differ that much in terms of expression and levels of certain hormones, the receptors might be different thing.
Is it safe for people w/o pronounced insensitivity of AR, but with signs of probably upregulated DHT to do this same course of treatment ?

This has nothing to do with PFS people. This is for everyone

 

[Nina]

Herman, I never claimed that one mineral is a cure all...

One day you say it is all about iron-zinc-copper, one week later you change ur mind and say its all about hydrogen water and/or chloride.. a week later is all abotu fasting... few das later is all about aminos, a month later NO, its all about potassium; 2 weeks later its all about b1/b2/ all Bs; few days later its all about methylation/b12/folic acid, 1 week later (now) its all about Mg-Ca-K-Na...

I am waiting what will be ''all about'' 1- 2 weeks/months from now... the only inconsistent one is: you.

I always said to get all nutrients(vitamins, minerals, calories, proteins, carbs, fats. water) at RDA levels, every day... but than you said that getting all RDAs daily cant work.

You, TOTALLY changing your mind and contradicting yourself every few days/weeks (while laughing at everybody's comments) is not stupid, me saying get all RDA everyday is stupid. Interesting...

Tbh, @Helen has outlined the basic program for everyone since the beginning which hasn’t changed at all. It is good quality protein (meat, whey, whatever you like), electrolytes (focus on potassium and magnesium), change carb intake with physical activity (move more = eat more carbs), HCL to make sure you digest the food you eat, possible extra b vitamins or a multi (Helen recommended a specific one in the electrolyte protocol) but if you just get RDA from food thats good too (unless you have a hairtest showing your imbalance, then you should supplement). You don’t HAVE TO fast, it’s just another option to improve your health.

Everything else, all the discussions are mainly about PFS/PSSD and not for people who are just looking to improve health even though you can definitely use some parts of it. Don’t make it more complicated than it is.

 

[Ben123]

In the words of @Area-1255 , why being balanced? Why not be special, why not be god. Balance is extremely boring word, i dont want to be like everyone else, i want to be special. Special good, not special bad. This "aim for balance" is extremely boring, 99,9% of people are balanced. I rather be more.

Then again im not PFS , im just mentally and physically fucked up for other reasons i quess.

 

[Helen]

In the words of @Area-1255 , why being balanced? Why not be special, why not be god. Balance is extremely boring word, i dont want to be like everyone else, i want to be special. Special good, not special bad. This "aim for balance" is extremely boring, 99,9% of people are balanced. I rather be more.

Then again im not PFS , im just mentally and physically fucked up for other reasons i quess.

that is the whole thing, the more balanced you are , the more special you are , since everyone else is not balanced.

the further you go from balance the more sick you are. You are not special you are sick. You get too anabolic, you lose libido and get sick. you get too catabolic, you lose libido and get sick.

People don get that you cant get special by taking stuff to get more anabolic., special =- IDEAL BALANCE, but it is very hard to achieve and it is special


This is where people got it wrong 99% of people are not balanced, that is why they are not optimal in their sex drive, their strength, and you cant take drugs to get balanced ))



Balance in the cell gives out the MAXIMUM output of energy. YOu cant take drugs or hormones to achieve more output then the balanced state in the cell.


That is the huge and the biggest mistake of people who think about being unusual is getting away from the balance. Unusual is ideal balance. Since in that IDEAL balance you will be stronger than EVERYONE around you. Only Ideal balance will provide the maximum energy output.

If the balance is not ideal, you cant have one things strong and other things weak for a short time. Eventualy body will reset receptors and try to put you into balance even if you take steroids drugs, and everything else, So basically you are just wasting money for NOTHING.

 

[Helen]

@Ben123 bud, you cant never be more than genetically balanced person, you can take all steroids you can and you will still be weaker than perfectly balanced person. or a person with good genetics.

Steroids work in the cell by controling minerals. So it does not matter how much you inject or take , if it is bad for your balance in the cell, you will get worse from steroids, and get old and get not special but sick. and weak

Cell is electric energy, and it needs 20 components to make output of electric energy. If the cell is not balanced by taking steroids, by taking drugs, etc , your electric energy wont be at max. and will be low

This is why both people with low thyroid or high thyroid have zero energy. Low testosterone or high testerone= low energy. Anything out of balance will lead to low energy.

think about max strenght as a combinations of 20 components. you increase one component you decrease another one, and your energy falls.

 

[TubZy]

@Ben123 bud, you cant never be more than genetically balanced person, you can take all steroids you can and you will still be weaker than perfectly balanced person. or a person with good genetics.

Steroids work in the cell by controling minerals. So it does not matter how much you inject or take , if it is bad for your balance in the cell, you will get worse from steroids, and get old and get not special but sick. and weak

Cell is electric energy, and it needs 20 components to make output of electric energy. If the cell is not balanced by taking steroids, by taking drugs, etc , your electric energy wont be at max. and will be low

This is why both people with low thyroid or high thyroid have zero energy. Low testosterone or high testerone= low energy. Anything out of balance will lead to low energy.

think about max strenght as a combinations of 20 components. you increase one component you decrease another one, and your energy falls.

What I don't get though is how certain people can take loads of steroids for decades and not lose one ounce of hair LOL how do they not get out of balance

 

[Helen]

What I don't get though is how certain people can take loads of steroids for decades and not lose one ounce of hair LOL how do they not get out of balance

they can piss out the steroids ideally and bind steroids . body will always try to adjust to ideal balance. So the worst thing a sick person can do is take steroids. since sick person wont be able to control these hormones and bind them and piss htem out, and those hormones will lead to more sick state

 

[TubZy]

they can piss out the steroids ideally and bind steroids . body will always try to adjust to ideal balance. So the worst thing a sick person can do is take steroids. since sick person wont be able to control these hormones and bind them and piss htem out, and those hormones will lead to more sick state

I'm talking about bodybuilders, like how they abuse the shit out of steroids but still have a full head of hair. If they pissed out the steroids or they got binded wouldn't that make the steroids not work or work way less, how would they still be able to put on/maintain such high levels of muscle then if the steroids were getting wasted via urine?