More emphasis on diet! What are YOU eating?

[Helen]

I'm talking about bodybuilders, like how they abuse the shit out of steroids but still have a full head of hair. If they pissed out the steroids or they got binded wouldn't that make the steroids not work or work way less, how would they still be able to put on/maintain such high levels of muscle then?

NO it wont make steroids not work, since it increased their steroids to their higher possible level their balance can handle. And that is mg of shit, like 5-10 mg would do the same.))

So if someone is doing 500 and binds and pissed it all out, and does not get hairloss, but some other person cant binds or control this and will lose his health and hair

Plus the more you put in 500, the more it will shake the balance of the genetically stronger person.

Plus may be some people are genetically catabolic, and they can handle more testosterone to be balanced.

This is why nowadays super smart people get the dosage of steroids ideal for the catabolic state. that dosage is so tiny it is not even funny. And those people never will lose health, or hair. And will be stronger than those who do 500-1000 of test which is worthless and causes aging , hairloss and all the other bad shit. Inflammation , hypokalemia. cancer you name it.

 

[TubZy]

NO it wont make steroids not work, since it increased their steroids to their higher possible level their balance can handle. And that is mg of shit, like 5-10 mg would do the same.))

So if someone is doing 500 and binds and pissed it all out, and does not get hairloss, but some other person cant binds or control this and will lose his health and hair

Plus the more you put in 500, the more it will shake the balance of the genetically stronger person.

Plus may be some people are genetically catabolic, and they can handle more testosterone to be balanced.

This is why nowadays super smart people get the dosage of steroids ideal for the catabolic state. that dosage is so tiny it is not even funny. And those people never will lose health, or hair. And will be stronger than those who do 500-1000 of test which is worthless and causes aging , hairloss and all the other bad shit. Inflammation , hypokalemia. cancer you name it.

Yeah that makes sense, I always required a much lower dose than my friends as I responded way better since I was always was more sensitive (I guess my balance is much more sensitive).

 

[bruschi11]

2016 with testo, preg, t3 I seemed to have strengthened my cell incredibly for like 4 months but rapidly started declining. Anxiety started getting to me really really bad. I remember being so bad socially at the end of my HRT run before I took fin like bad social anxiety. I thought it had to do with too much DHT from test cream haha.

I was perfect of example of “sick person on steroids.”

According to the Dr. Hertoghe’s of the world DHT is bad and creates anxiety and hair loss. I was so dumb.

 

[noprop]

You are the one who posts all these salt cures, eat salt and it will cure you, the calcium cure, then now magnesium. What the f are you talking a bout I change my mind




REad electrolytes protocol. it is all there, and it does not change for months. It DOES NOT change.


Certain imbalances have to do with certain minerals. PFS is one, UC is another diabetes is another. cancer is third.

it is not about copper, and it i not about this or that. it is about the balance for certain people.

all I talk about NO or copper or potassium for PFS , and this has nothing to do with you.

What does PFS has to do with you. It is about copper , about b1 and b2 about potassium and NO. what does it have to do with you? that is the question.

PFS is a certain imbalance one of 100 others. Electrolytes protocol is to cure all imbalances, since it provides most of the needed things but it can take a long long time,

You for some reason follow me to the threads about PFS and claim I change my mind about PFS? LOL are you ok? We are looking for cure for PFS , that is why we are changing and looking.

And you should stop reading about it. because it has nothing to do with you. For you there is electrolytes protocol and nothing else and NOTHING CHANGES

I said that for certain imbalances it does not work to get daily RDAs. Since if you are copper toxic and iron toxic which most people are. getting those from food does not change anything. you will need to avoid them for a year to chelate them out of your brain. And then you can start eating RDas

People have mutations. and thus people are not processing food all the same. If you have FAD mutation and you eat copper and iron . good luck to you.

And FAD mutation is about b2 and b1. And most people have a problem there. but people need to test it and see if there is a problem there.

You can eat all RDAs you want. but if you are missing FAD creation. You will be getting more and more toxic. from food. might as well not eat at all

Another person can have copper transport mutation and will be deficient in copper and needs to eat more of it. another person will have this and that.

And to cure a mutation there is always fasting, or a specific program which chelates the minerals interfering with the enzyme action. And no you cant do that eating RDAs. since during the chelation process you will need 100 times of RDA of certain things.

This is why electrolytes protocol has dosages of B vitamns way over RDA like 10000 times,. Because eating food will not provide you with that. Food is balanced so you eat copper with glycine and b2 lets say in some food. But if you are already toxic in copper you eat copper glycine and b2. but your b2 will be spent in a microsecond. on glutathione since there is too much free copper already in blood.And you will end up more toxic from food then before. I hope you realize this. And realize why eating food does not work in some cases. So you eat eat and eat and get more and more toxic. this is why animals when they get sick. they dont eat anything and eat grass to chelate free minerals.

Lets say to chelate iron from the brain like in Parkinsons, you will need B2 and b1 , glutathione in 1000 time more than RDA. this is why I rec crazy dosages of ALL Bs in electrolytes protocol.

It does not mean that you as a sport person will need b1 and b2/ Sports people usually are not toxic in stuff they are deficient in stuff. And that is why reading some stuff from Nathan Hathch crashed you, since in fast oxidizer you dont take B1 or B2 , since they are already fast and burn thru sugar fast , and need to slow down the burning, not increase it. SO they need to support buffer systems more. like b12 like folic acid. other than b1 and b2.


So these are example of you , how certain people will need certain things. Like if someone is mercury toxic. And that person eat all RDas. that person will spend all glutathione components in seconds after he eats and will be stuck with extra minerals that cant work at all. since b1 and b2 are not there,

this is why people's livers are full of iron and copper when biopsied. and the brain also.

Since people simply over time cant use them without glutathione components.

Read the work of Dog person on phoenix rising who biopsied 100s of livers of dogs. Same thing all toxic in copper and iron.
this is why liver beef liver is also very high in copper and iron)) Since they are same as humans retain too much copper and iron in their livers. And then people eat it))

If we can give those information some structure, it even can help understanding it easier.
The most important thing according to Helen is fast or slow oxidiser?
> to find out: hairtest? Right?
If fast oxidiser, you have another electrolyte protocol than being slow

example:
a fast oxidiser with copper toxi has another protocol than an copper intox low oxidiser, right? Or do both of them have a similar protocol re certain issues (like copper), and re other stuff different ones?
What do we need to test beside hair minerals and h.metals? Vit.bs?
But it is bloodwork or hair?

It would be not very difficult to get a proper recipe of what to test and how to Systematically go on with the results given.

That's why I suggested to develop a comprehensive system. For me, it is a bit boring to always read the same stuff again and again. Let's take it one step further.


In order to know if sone

 

[TubZy]

If we can give those information some structure, it even can help understanding it easier.
The most important thing according to Helen is fast or slow oxidiser?
> to find out: hairtest? Right?
If fast oxidiser, you have another electrolyte protocol than being slow

example:
a fast oxidiser with copper toxi has another protocol than an copper intox low oxidiser, right? Or do both of them have a similar protocol re certain issues (like copper), and re other stuff different ones?
What do we need to test beside hair minerals and h.metals? Vit.bs?
But it is bloodwork or hair?

It would be not very difficult to get a proper recipe of what to test and how to Systematically go on with the results given.

That's why I suggested to develop a comprehensive system. For me, it is a bit boring to always read the same stuff again and again. Let's take it one step further.


In order to know if sone

I'm planning to completely restructure the electrolytes protocol format once there is some more clarity around it. I agree the format could be more clear, but the original post is currently maxed out in character length so no edits can be made. there is a good chance that thread will get deleted and a new protocol thread will be made of better yet a link to a Google Doc of some sort

 

[Ben123]

@Helen If 99% of people are unbalanced, how can most people even function then? You take random 100 people from the street i would say probably 90 of them have the energy to work 8 hours a day and be happy and not suffer any negative mental effects? Im talking basic average Joe. Some of them have no hair and some might have back problems but generally people are happy, motivated and have normal energy. These people eat shit diets and have shit habits too. Yet they can function perfectly fine. Are these the balanced people? Even if they have minor libido loss or minor energy loss they are generally happy.

 

[MNK99]

YEAH, slightly unbalanced great shape actually functional, taking things that unbalanced me life was livable. IT is again now... and would have been 10mo earlier instead of almost dying last yr if everyone who is weak and on an antidepressant now didn't tell me all meds bad "you'll die", meanwhile, they're trying to solve shyt 10 yrs later.

I'm fucking pissed off.

 

[barbaar]

I'm planning to completely restructure the electrolytes protocol format once there is some more clarity around it. I agree the format could be more clear, but the original post is currently maxed out in character length so no edits can be made. there is a good chance that thread will get deleted and a new protocol thread will be made of better yet a link to a Google Doc of some sort

Sounds like a good use case for the wiki I set up a while ago (it's down now, but I can bring it back on a legit server np).

 

[bruschi11]

@Helen If 99% of people are unbalanced, how can most people even function then? You take random 100 people from the street i would say probably 90 of them have the energy to work 8 hours a day and be happy and not suffer any negative mental effects? Im talking basic average Joe. Some of them have no hair and some might have back problems but generally people are happy, motivated and have normal energy. These people eat shit diets and have shit habits too. Yet they can function perfectly fine. Are these the balanced people? Even if they have minor libido loss or minor energy loss they are generally happy.

They aren’t balanced and aren’t living ideal lives. 99% of people aren’t.

Those living your average lives might not have disease or pharmaceutical induced imbalances. So they are able to live normal lives. Their bodies aren’t stressed out or anything they just aren’t working 100% optimally.

What we do here is move us towards that 100% so we can cure disease, fix imbalances like Pfs.

Then after disease is gone and Pfs is gone we are at 100% and have lives better than the average folk.

You want to see a guy whose balanced? Look at Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard. Pro athletes with hair, mild tempered, calm, collected.

 

[Ben123]

They aren’t balanced and aren’t living ideal lives. 99% of people aren’t.

Those living your average lives might not have disease or pharmaceutical induced imbalances. So they are able to live normal lives. Their bodies aren’t stressed out or anything they just aren’t working 100% optimally.

What we do here is move us towards that 100% so we can cure disease, fix imbalances like Pfs.

Then after disease is gone and Pfs is gone we are at 100% and have lives better than the average folk.

You want to see a guy whose balanced? Look at Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard. Pro athletes with hair, mild tempered, calm, collected.

Does unbalance always cause mental health problems, and is 100% balanced person mentally in a best place? While i care about energy levels and libido etc, its the chronic depression and stress that truly fuck your life the most... without will to live there is nothing..

 

[Helen]

@Helen If 99% of people are unbalanced, how can most people even function then? You take random 100 people from the street i would say probably 90 of them have the energy to work 8 hours a day and be happy and not suffer any negative mental effects? Im talking basic average Joe. Some of them have no hair and some might have back problems but generally people are happy, motivated and have normal energy. These people eat shit diets and have shit habits too. Yet they can function perfectly fine. Are these the balanced people? Even if they have minor libido loss or minor energy loss they are generally happy.

They are unbalanced from the ideal and the body is buffering their unbalance.

they are not functioning ideally and most of them have their diseases associated with their imbalance, and about 99% are taking drugs for that

What are you talking about . about 99% take drugs to even function these days))

So it comes out to a situation when if you find your stilt you can function and if you cant find your stilt you just die, and stay home and then you will be put on some drug like SSRI etc


To get out of depression you need to get your methylation working

and your MAOs working properly. People are concerned with libido? what libido? this is just insane. People need to be concerned not with the libido which is down naturally in almost everyone since people simply oversex themselved. they need to be concerned with the drive to do things in life. LIke raise a family or grow a good business, or achieve or come up with something new. That is the drive, that is the libido.

And what we get. We get people sitting near a computer watching porn, and saying oh well, I think I have lower libido today and I need to take shit to keep my libido up . this is so ridiculous.

Orgasming is losing life, orgasming is not healthy , it is overtraining . It is the same exact thing a being on cocaine or dopamine.


Normal balance of testosterone histamine and nitric oxide does not provide you with crazy libido and I dont know why people would want that. You will just sit home and jerk off all day long . What is the sense of this. It is very unhealthy .

Normal drive will allow you to perform in needed moments and your hormonal balance will allow you to love and to be in a relationship, etc. instead of being in oversexed state.

All this oversexed state causes crazy copper toxicity and I assume which causes gay tendencies. gay is not born, gay is a copper imbalance. And you can be born with a copper imbalance, but most of these people become gay since they are simply oversexed. The more you are sex the more you tend to need more and more stimulus to get excited, and thus first it is sex with boys, then animals, and then dead people.

So all this libido stuff that people talk about, is just a need for artifically oversexed drive in most people. They need to be unusual. LOL most of people are getting more and more unusual , chicks with beards, gays, animal lovers etc. and the whole world calls it normal. So how can you get unusual if those people are normal now.

SO people are in search how to become more and more freaky. What drug to take which makes me freakier. That is ridiculous and not healthy.


Most people if they stop this oversexed drive, for a year, will have more energy more drive more libido and more motivation to do things.

I am pretty sure if a gay person chelates copper that can make him straight.

 

[MNK99]

Don't you think it's possible to have a slight pharmacological imbalance and work extra hard to keep the rest in check ?

If you're healthier than 99% of people and work harder than 99% of people and smoke 5 cigs a year... Are you really that messed up
If those 5 times prevent you from doing something stupid., Is it really that bad. Replace "cigarette", with any number of things.

 

[TubZy]

Sounds like a good use case for the wiki I set up a while ago (it's down now, but I can bring it back on a legit server np).

Yes, I forgot about that we can use that instead, maybe just copy paste the OP of the electrolytes protocol thread. I say bring it up now if it easy to do because I think there were edits trying to be made but no one could do them since character limit was maxed out.

 

[TubZy]

And I do understand the point that many people are unbalanced or use some sort of crutch to function. Easiest example is caffeine, you know how many people use caffeine, pre-workout etc and tobacco/nicotine to function daily and be happy? 99% of my friends and people I work with are addicted to caffeine. Both are metabolic stimulants. I guarantee if you took that away, they would not be as happy or happy at all and would not be productive.
So if you take 100 people off the street, I would say almost all if not all drink caffeine or use tobacco (or adderall, weed etc) on a daily basis to function.

Prior to PFS I think I had a very good metabolism and super high energy and never ever had the urge to use caffeine or tobacco for energy purposes. Its when your body starts to go to shit is when you start looking towards those things to use.

 

[Aflac94]

And I do understand the point that many people are unbalanced or use some sort of crutch to function. Easiest example is caffeine, you know how many people use caffeine, pre-workout etc and tobacco/nicotine to function daily and be happy? 99% of my friends and people I work with are addicted to caffeine. Both are metabolic stimulants. I guarantee if you took that away, they would not be as happy or happy at all and would not be productive.
So if you take 100 people off the street, I would say almost all if not all drink caffeine or use tobacco (or adderall, weed etc) on a daily basis to function.

Prior to PFS I think I had a very good metabolism and super high energy and never ever had the urge to use caffeine or tobacco for energy purposes. Its when your body starts to go to shit is when you start looking towards those things to use.

Man EVERYBODY uses caffeine. I always felt at a disadvantage because I couldn’t take it do to migraines

 

[Ben123]

Coffee has the ability to boost your mood from good to euphoric. I think There is a difference between using it because you can't function without it vs using it like icing on a cake. You take someone who feels good all the time, but they still take coffee to feel even little bit higher. Is that healthy or bad addiction? I dont know for sure. Its basicly like taking dopamine.

I take me when i was 14 as an example. I woke up at 8 am to play video games. I could have gone without coffee, but i still decided to drink it, because it gave me that extra high. And i was perfectly healthy kid at that time. Was i unbalanced? Probably. Did i feel like it? No.

Its hard to tell about this stuff because not many can remember how it felt to be balanced.

 

[tallglass13]

@ Helen said:
They are unbalanced from the ideal and the body is buffering their unbalance.

they are not functioning ideally and most of them have their diseases associated with their imbalance, and about 99% are taking drugs for that

What are you talking about . about 99% take drugs to even function these days))

So it comes out to a situation when if you find your stilt you can function and if you cant find your stilt you just die, and stay home and then you will be put on some drug like SSRI etc


To get out of depression you need to get your methylation working

and your MAOs working properly. People are concerned with libido? what libido? this is just insane. People need to be concerned not with the libido which is down naturally in almost everyone since people simply oversex themselved. they need to be concerned with the drive to do things in life. LIke raise a family or grow a good business, or achieve or come up with something new. That is the drive, that is the libido.

And what we get. We get people sitting near a computer watching porn, and saying oh well, I think I have lower libido today and I need to take shit to keep my libido up . this is so ridiculous.

Orgasming is losing life, orgasming is not healthy , it is overtraining . It is the same exact thing a being on cocaine or dopamine.


Normal balance of testosterone histamine and nitric oxide does not provide you with crazy libido and I dont know why people would want that. You will just sit home and jerk off all day long . What is the sense of this. It is very unhealthy .

Normal drive will allow you to perform in needed moments and your hormonal balance will allow you to love and to be in a relationship, etc. instead of being in oversexed state.

All this oversexed state causes crazy copper toxicity and I assume which causes gay tendencies. gay is not born, gay is a copper imbalance. And you can be born with a copper imbalance, but most of these people become gay since they are simply oversexed. The more you are sex the more you tend to need more and more stimulus to get excited, and thus first it is sex with boys, then animals, and then dead people.

So all this libido stuff that people talk about, is just a need for artifically oversexed drive in most people. They need to be unusual. LOL most of people are getting more and more unusual , chicks with beards, gays, animal lovers etc. and the whole world calls it normal. So how can you get unusual if those people are normal now.

SO people are in search how to become more and more freaky. What drug to take which makes me freakier. That is ridiculous and not healthy.


Most people if they stop this oversexed drive, for a year, will have more energy more drive more libido and more motivation to do things.

I am pretty sure if a gay person chelates copper that can make him straight.


@Helen, Holy shit , this is a great post. I've known this for years. Wish I would have known this when I was an adolescent though. However, I can now pass on my knowledge to my sons. thank you for your input.

 

[barbaar]

Yes, I forgot about that we can use that instead, maybe just copy paste the OP of the electrolytes protocol thread. I say bring it up now if it easy to do because I think there were edits trying to be made but no one could do them since character limit was maxed out.

Cool I'll try to get it done tonight

 

[Helen]

@zsoka

People use sex to run away from things. It is better to have a release and then don't do anything, rather than conserve energy and do something. I think orgasm is the way to escape reality , exactly the same as taking hard drugs.

I think POIS is telling oversexed people it is enough, change your life style. but POIS person instead of trying to change his life style just tries to find things that get rid of POIS instead and continues to check daily if they have POIS or not LOL.

I hear stories like wow, I took this and that and I finished 4 times yesterday and no POIS wow. but eventualy it stopped working but I orgasmed 24 times in a week last week. Heck I need to find something stronger so it handles 24 times a week))
Are you guys serious? the body is not made to finish 24 times in a week.


I think an oversexed state has plenty to do with it. You need to understand that sperm is 80% arginine. And what retains water in the body ? Arginine vassopressin.

 

[Orion]

You need to understand that sperm is 80% arginine

I agree here, smell free-form L-citrulline, it smells exactly like sperm. Not that I should know what sperm smells like lol