My Hair test results.
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Bloods are Range
Ferritin 30ug/L 30-300
Iron 13umol 9-30
Transferrin 37umol 23-46
Transferin Sat 18% 13-45
Hb 129 115-160
Ceruloplasmin 0.35 g/L 0.15-0.45
serum copper 23umol/L 12-24
serum zinc 12.4 umol/L 10-18
Vitamin D 50nmol/L
Free T4 14 9-19
TSH 1.5 0.40-4.0
Interclinical labs uses TEI for the testing. They suggest I do a 20% fat, 40% protein and 40% carbs. The carbs seem a bit high to me. Least I know why I feel so tired and lacking energy. Guess the high Ca is responsible for my varicose veins. Wondering if iron is hiding in tissues due to Chronic disease. Puzzled as to why ceruloplasmin is OK but copper is on the high side in blood. Any suggestions would be helpful. BTW Dr said for me to take Vitamin D to get to 100nmol but on some sites this is toxic. Not taking vitamin D at present concerned as it is a hormone and my hormones are already out of whack anyway.
Ferritin 30ug/L 30-300
Iron 13umol 9-30
Transferrin 37umol 23-46
Transferin Sat 18% 13-45
Hb 129 115-160
Ceruloplasmin 0.35 g/L 0.15-0.45
serum copper 23umol/L 12-24
serum zinc 12.4 umol/L 10-18
Vitamin D 50nmol/L
Free T4 14 9-19
TSH 1.5 0.40-4.0
Interclinical labs uses TEI for the testing. They suggest I do a 20% fat, 40% protein and 40% carbs. The carbs seem a bit high to me. Least I know why I feel so tired and lacking energy. Guess the high Ca is responsible for my varicose veins. Wondering if iron is hiding in tissues due to Chronic disease. Puzzled as to why ceruloplasmin is OK but copper is on the high side in blood. Any suggestions would be helpful. BTW Dr said for me to take Vitamin D to get to 100nmol but on some sites this is toxic. Not taking vitamin D at present concerned as it is a hormone and my hormones are already out of whack anyway.
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Don't worry, I am a slow 1 as well, and they suggest me the same diet though I weight 55kg for 1m65!
This is just their standart slow oxi diet!
I also have to go up in Na K and P, thus I am off dairies, apart from some old goat raw cheese, as they wanted me on GABA, so I up glutamate naturally, also with miso. I do it because I like it, which I trust as a sign.
High protein is fine for me, but needs to be sure to have the right amount of stomach acid. Have you checked this? This is a basis that has to be checked. Usually it is not. That is why you will find on the forum some advice about breakfast with dandelion.... any bitter taste does it, to activate acids. Then of course betaine HCl. I had to cut vinegar as it did not suit me. Now I can stand betaine hcl.
Our copper and zinc are not the same, but I have the ratios reversed between hair and blood! I have low copper and high iron in hair. I did not want to take copper as advised, I just eat more through diet. But I still do not have any explanation about how to read copper and zinc and what to do about it. I just know it is important!
This is just their standart slow oxi diet!
I also have to go up in Na K and P, thus I am off dairies, apart from some old goat raw cheese, as they wanted me on GABA, so I up glutamate naturally, also with miso. I do it because I like it, which I trust as a sign.
High protein is fine for me, but needs to be sure to have the right amount of stomach acid. Have you checked this? This is a basis that has to be checked. Usually it is not. That is why you will find on the forum some advice about breakfast with dandelion.... any bitter taste does it, to activate acids. Then of course betaine HCl. I had to cut vinegar as it did not suit me. Now I can stand betaine hcl.
Our copper and zinc are not the same, but I have the ratios reversed between hair and blood! I have low copper and high iron in hair. I did not want to take copper as advised, I just eat more through diet. But I still do not have any explanation about how to read copper and zinc and what to do about it. I just know it is important!
Yeh, think that stomach acid is low I am using malic acid for it but still have flatulence and gastric issues. Still working on that one. Copper has a lot to do with iron absorption. Have a read of this Copper. I read a lot about iron and copper and ceruloplasmin on Morley Robins site and facebook group he has a lot to say about it and backs it up with studies unfortunately he has a protocol where he advocates large amounts of magnesium. I found later on after starting his protocol that too much magnesium causes adrenals to crash and fortunately stopped without doing too much damage.
I read elsewhere that for some minerals they remain bio-unavailble despite taking cofactors to try to make them bioavailable. What I am also hearing is that although we have high levels of minerals on our hair tests we still need to supplement them with the cofactors that make them bioavailable to correct imbalances. Which is why we can have high copper but be copper deficient, high magnesium but be magnesium deficient.
I find that I am leaning more and more to whole food choices for vitamins where I am able that to supplements. I really think we still don't know enough about how vitamins in our food works that there are phytofactors that enable us to get things from good food. Like fish oil for instance I read a study recently comparing fatty fish and fish oil capsules, omega 3 fats from fatty fish were absorbed 9 times more efficiently than from the same amount in capsules. I am being careful about the zinc too as too much chelates iron. Still figuring this all out and finding the best diet for me. I know I do not do well on fruit, my mother said I would refuse fruit as a baby so I guess I knew something then.
I read elsewhere that for some minerals they remain bio-unavailble despite taking cofactors to try to make them bioavailable. What I am also hearing is that although we have high levels of minerals on our hair tests we still need to supplement them with the cofactors that make them bioavailable to correct imbalances. Which is why we can have high copper but be copper deficient, high magnesium but be magnesium deficient.
I find that I am leaning more and more to whole food choices for vitamins where I am able that to supplements. I really think we still don't know enough about how vitamins in our food works that there are phytofactors that enable us to get things from good food. Like fish oil for instance I read a study recently comparing fatty fish and fish oil capsules, omega 3 fats from fatty fish were absorbed 9 times more efficiently than from the same amount in capsules. I am being careful about the zinc too as too much chelates iron. Still figuring this all out and finding the best diet for me. I know I do not do well on fruit, my mother said I would refuse fruit as a baby so I guess I knew something then.
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lol I konw a mother who made her sons chose their food very early, and both started to eat oysters at 6 months old! th emore moving one is fond of fruits, the other less. he is calm.
Are you juicing? I find it great for having more minerals and vitamines.
I don't know if malic is enough, really, solving acidity is important. You never tried betaine hcl? Also have a look at what I posted for ddiet, proteins need to be almost raw and not change collor, to be absorbed better. I noticed a difference.
Thanks for the link! When you have good sources of informations, you can add them in the topics we have already about minerals, food sources etc, or make new topics.
It is stil unclear to me wht they test in hair, as some toxocities do not appear. What is inside the cells seems to not show, and they say they analyse tissue content....
Are you juicing? I find it great for having more minerals and vitamines.
I don't know if malic is enough, really, solving acidity is important. You never tried betaine hcl? Also have a look at what I posted for ddiet, proteins need to be almost raw and not change collor, to be absorbed better. I noticed a difference.
Thanks for the link! When you have good sources of informations, you can add them in the topics we have already about minerals, food sources etc, or make new topics.
It is stil unclear to me wht they test in hair, as some toxocities do not appear. What is inside the cells seems to not show, and they say they analyse tissue content....
I have just started juicing again so hopefully will notice the difference. I tried betaine HCL before but it was in a formula with, papain and bromelain both of which give me a burning sensation. I cannot eat pineapple raw but can have it cooked so it is an enzyme thing. Anyway went out and got some today this one has pepsin and gentian bitters in it I had a really bitter taste after. So far only taking one had some flatulence after a steak will try two tomorrow and see if it makes any difference.
OK will put any links in the other threads next time.
It seems that low adrenal function means that there is a lowered ability to eliminate heavy metals which is why some people when their minerals and adrenals improve eliminate more heavy metals. Plus I think heavy metals have an affinity for different organs like mercury seems to accumulate more in the thyroid and brain.
OK will put any links in the other threads next time.
It seems that low adrenal function means that there is a lowered ability to eliminate heavy metals which is why some people when their minerals and adrenals improve eliminate more heavy metals. Plus I think heavy metals have an affinity for different organs like mercury seems to accumulate more in the thyroid and brain.
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Find what's suits you there, it is super important.
Do you have access to dandelion, bitter chicory etc?
If you can drink coffee, also have it bitter and never sweet. Gentian is good, milk thistle as well, bitters.... I start the day with bitter leaves from the garden....
Mattyb proposed his protocol for hives and alakinity, in the body sub forum.
@Canari Yes have dandelion haven't had it much as it is summer here and I haven't been drinking anything hot. Could make a lot up and have it cold I suppose. Can't do coffee turns me into the B--tch from hell. 
@m_arch Have been thinking of doing a fast as we have school holidays until the end of January. Just really struggled with anxiety and irritability but will just have to suck it up I guess. Thanks for the heads up on the Zinc. The supplement I have has 25mg Zinc and 2mg Manganese so will have to get the extra manganese in.
@m_arch Have been thinking of doing a fast as we have school holidays until the end of January. Just really struggled with anxiety and irritability but will just have to suck it up I guess. Thanks for the heads up on the Zinc. The supplement I have has 25mg Zinc and 2mg Manganese so will have to get the extra manganese in.
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It doesn't have to be dandelion either, or tea (the tea is much less effective because it doesn't provide potassium or chloride). The morning salad I had was usually some kind of mixture of spinach, beet greens, chard, pea shoots, and lettuce with olive oil and vinegar.
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Before you jump into the fast, it might be a good idea to tell us what your health problems actually are and maybe we can give you some information specific to your condition. The test results are just part of it, if you're comfortable sharing diagnosis/symptoms I would highly recommend it. You had mentioned chronic diseases earlier but didn't specify what problems you are having.
OK, I don't have a definite diagnosis, was diagnosed with Rheumatoid 3 years ago, but have muscle pain as well which is why I question it. My inflammation levels are pretty low. I have IBS constipation, fatty liver, no gallbladder, obesity BMI 53. They said I have metabolic syndrome but blood pressure fluctuates. Latest results and symptoms indicate copper toxicity, probably had it since puberty which was when PMS strong sugar cravings began and lack of ability to control food. At present I don't exercise because my stress levels rise to uncomfortable levels and I feel exhausted after not energised. Low levels of energy as indicated by hair test. I guess that is about it. I have fasted in the past but did not end fasts well as came off eating fruit which I don't think helped at all.
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Thanks for the info.
Fasting could be useful for you. Anything that allows you to lower your BMI will be useful because it will fix your fatty liver, so this should be the focus. You may have some adverse reactions to a fast without a gallbladder, since your bile will flow freely instead of being stored in the gallbladder. This could cause diarrhea during certain portions of the fast. I think you would greatly benefit from consuming electrolyte (potassium and sodium chloride) during the fast since you already have low Na/K in your hair. My guess this is why your BP always fluctuates and isn't consistently high (most people at your BMI will have consistently elevated BP because they can retain sodium). Ultimately, I would aim to get your BMI down to <30, likely through a combination of fasting (breuss or water), IF, caloric restriction, and exercise.
Unfortunately with the gallbladder being removed you will likely always have some degree of problems that will persist, but a fast could help with many of these issues.
How long did you fast for in the past. Did you quickly regain the weight after?
Fasting could be useful for you. Anything that allows you to lower your BMI will be useful because it will fix your fatty liver, so this should be the focus. You may have some adverse reactions to a fast without a gallbladder, since your bile will flow freely instead of being stored in the gallbladder. This could cause diarrhea during certain portions of the fast. I think you would greatly benefit from consuming electrolyte (potassium and sodium chloride) during the fast since you already have low Na/K in your hair. My guess this is why your BP always fluctuates and isn't consistently high (most people at your BMI will have consistently elevated BP because they can retain sodium). Ultimately, I would aim to get your BMI down to <30, likely through a combination of fasting (breuss or water), IF, caloric restriction, and exercise.
Unfortunately with the gallbladder being removed you will likely always have some degree of problems that will persist, but a fast could help with many of these issues.
How long did you fast for in the past. Did you quickly regain the weight after?
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I eat it raw all year long... Also artichoke leaves! Also the salad that says mattyb is good, I just prefer more bitter as I believe the taste is part of the effect. I just discovered that for me vinegar was not ok.
Do you take them more for having potassium and chloride, or for stimulating stomach juices directly?
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Both. Bitters stimulate gastric acid secretion, and the greens also provide all the substrate necessary for it's formation. You need potassium, chloride (from the greens) and hydrogen (from malic acid/vinegar) to provide substrate for those juices. That's how you fix them in the long term.
I pretty much never do the morning salads anymore because I fixed the actual problem long term. I only did that for about 1-2 months and then my digestion came back and I haven't needed it since.
The EVOO stimulates gallbladder secretion, which helps clean the small intestine and promote bowel movements. But if a person doesn't have a gallbladder, then the EVOO is likely not necessary.
@Canari I pretty much eat mostly cooked veg as I don't digest raw very well at all so tend to juice instead.
@mattyb yes have done 10 day juice fasts in the past and also a 30 day water fast I realise that ending it on fruit only made carb cravings come back with a vengence and I guess the copper had a lot to do with that as well as candida. Gained all the weight and then some. but went back to bad habits usually due to stress and others in the family having bad choices around.
@mattyb yes have done 10 day juice fasts in the past and also a 30 day water fast I realise that ending it on fruit only made carb cravings come back with a vengence and I guess the copper had a lot to do with that as well as candida. Gained all the weight and then some. but went back to bad habits usually due to stress and others in the family having bad choices around.
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Yeah, if you quickly regained the weight in the past then fasting is pointless. It's best you tackle the underlying stresses and family behaviors causing you to overeat. You need ways to cope with stress and the choices of others so that they don't affect you in a way that leads to overeating. Have you ever received any therapy (like CBT) to help you come up with strategies to deal with these things? I think that would be a good place for you to start before doing any fasts or anything like that. There are many resources for this online, but seeing a professional in this area for at least a few sessions can really help.
Obesity at your level is often just a reaction to the environment more than anything. I rarely see obesity like that in our clinic in people with great home lives, low stress jobs, and good family support. You need at least some of that in your life, or strategies to cope with them, if you want to make any sustained changes.
Obesity at your level is often just a reaction to the environment more than anything. I rarely see obesity like that in our clinic in people with great home lives, low stress jobs, and good family support. You need at least some of that in your life, or strategies to cope with them, if you want to make any sustained changes.
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Also, at your BMI, if you haven't been tested for sleep apnea yet I highly recommend it. The likelihood that you have sleep apnea or obesity hypoventilation syndrome is likely quite high. Treating the sleep apnea with CPAP first will give you way more energy to exercise and eat right and it will help with the weight loss itself by allowing you to more efficiently expel CO2. Then when you lose enough weight you can go off the CPAP.