Natural Progesterone Blockers

[BeLikeWater]

The guy tycroz used tribulus which now looks like an anti progestin with the dht blocker tomato juice. So he just put together a natural ru486 for himself using and antiandrogen and antiprogesterone.

I had some really androgenic 1-2 days after i came off tribulus and schisandra combination. Good energy, great motivation and some agression too, much stronger at the gym.
For the next time i can add a 5ari herb too for example he shou wu, so i am blocking progesterone and dht while activating estrogen and can add thorne extra when im coming off.
Only problem is it seems i already have oversensitive progesterone receptors from low blood progesterone and high cell potassium.

But the most notable thing is i always improve AFTER coming off tribulus/pine pollen. If taken for days:On tribulus alone i feel shit, on pine pollen i feel shit. Then i come off and in some days old type of libido appears or motivation arrives. It stays for 1-3 days then i crash, some head pressure, diarrhoea and i recover from it again in a few days back to normal baseline.

Sorry but how can you measure high cell Potassium? I have blood test of Potassium but in the cell???

 

[Orion]

Sorry but how can you measure high cell Potassium? I have blood test of Potassium but in the cell???

You need to do hair mineral analysis test.

 

[BeLikeWater]

Sorry but how can you measure high cell Potassium? I have blood test of Potassium but in the cell???

You need to do hair mineral analysis test.

You are telling me that to measure the minerals inside for example a cell in my right arm I have to do a mineral hair analisys? Any real scientific source that I can see for confirm that is true and not the first thing that crossed your mind? Are you really aware on how difficult must be to calculate the potassium inside our cells? And maybe how they differ based ontheir location and function? Go broscience!

 

[Reverse]

Perhaps its not meant to be an exact measurement of potassium in every cell.

Instead it is an indicator of the potential potassium concentration in the cells, generally speaking?

 

[aztec]

[mention]tanedout[/mention] this thread is helpful. I never knew about these herbs with natural anti-progestin benefits. This would be interesting to cycle and try.

 

[tanedout]

@tanedout this thread is helpful. I never knew about these herbs with natural anti-progestin benefits. This would be interesting to cycle and try.

Yeah that's my thinking too! I'm currently trying out some of the natural ones on weekends, and seeing if I get any 'rebound' during the week and keeping a log. Bought a load of fennel tea last weekend and drank lots of that (this it's related to licorice as it tastes and smells similar), but will try some other stuff on the list too and keep logs.

This is a different approach to things I've done previously, as I'm looking for a 'rebound' whereas most protocols I've tried before I've expected to get better while on it, and keep on it longer if it doesn't work.

 

[aztec]

[mention]tanedout[/mention] that is great to hear. What symptoms are you wanting to heal? Are from the pfs or pssd side? I haven’t read your story before. Definitely keep us updated.

 

[tanedout]

@tanedout that is great to hear. What symptoms are you wanting to heal? Are from the pfs or pssd side? I haven’t read your story before. Definitely keep us updated.

I'll definitely advise if I get any sort of rebound effect off anything! Basically running the CD's protocol in addition, but I'm going to keep the potentially anti-prog herbs (trib and ashwaghanda) to weekends, and leave the week for the other herbs. Maca apparently increases progesterone, so I'm staying off this one for the time being.

I'm post-accutane, suffering from ED, loss of libido, brain fog, tinnitus. I've definitely had a few rebounds in the past when trying different things, but I've not been able to repeat any of them. One from trib - 2 days of terrible brain fog, then a couple of days of increased sensitivity, libido and mental clarity. Similar thing from grape seed extract, and lastly from a week of eating no fat (just potato, sauerkraut etc), but I've not been able to repeat any oddly!

 

[aztec]

[mention]tanedout[/mention] thanks for the update and definitely keep us posted. How long have you been battling the PA side effects for? What herbs have been most beneficial to you in terms of improving libido and erection strength? Which herbs are you currently using from CD’s protocol?

 

[tanedout]

@tanedout thanks for the update and definitely keep us posted. How long have you been battling the PA side effects for? What herbs have been most beneficial to you in terms of improving libido and erection strength? Which herbs are you currently using from CD’s protocol?

7 years! But only actually linked the issues to accutane about 5 years ago. Before realising that link I took ginseng & gingko each day for about 3 months, and l-arginine for about 1 month and I'm pretty sure that helped a lot and since then I've generally got morning wood etc, but not full strength since. No spontaneous ever though.

Using these herbs;

shilajit
ashwaghanda
tribulus
tongkat
Ginseng
Cordyceps
Maca
musca
Rhodiola
he shu wu (yet to actually start this, but will include it)
pp extract

I was doing pretty well regards mental sides with a methylation protocol (active B-complex, additional 1000mg methyl B12, L-Carnitine Fumarate, but ended up getting heart issues and when I got bloods done my phosphorous was critically low. Stopped taking these things as a result and it's crept up since. My potassium was also low, but I think phosphates was the real issue.

 

[aztec]

[mention]tanedout[/mention] sounds like you have been proactive and tackling this with a lot of energy. It will be interesting to throw in the anti-progesterone herbs into your regimen. I hope it works wonders!