New log, experimenting - Nina

[noprop]

the reason why people dont do the electrolyte protocol is that the most important thing is missing from it: dosages.

You keep mentioning how the core of the electrolyte program is to keep the body out of alkalosis but you dont make it clear what part(s) of the program keep the body out of alkalosis...

When you make these things more clear, more people will do the program.

Helen might fear doing so as she thinks indicating concrete amounts would gave her a state of a doc which she wants to avoid I guess. You need just to say "personal opinion". Done.

 

[Nina]

personally, when i read the program, i dont get it what keeps the body out of alkalosis, and how fast does the body get out of alklaosis?

he says to take gelatin(how much per day??), great, but take it only when the body is not in alkalosis... hmm...OK.. what brings the body out of alkalosis and how do we know when we are out of alkalosis (so we can begin taking gelatin)???

free form aminos, how much per day?

electrolytes, cool, how much per day in what form... mixed in daily water and sipped throughout the day or mixed with food???

some basic starting dosage guidelines would be helpful... and from there, everybody could experiment with higher or lower doses

he also says that detox procedures area must, well, ok, i choose the STS+C detox route, ok, how much from each and when to take the dose and for how many days/weeks?

etc.etc.

i think we all should sign a 'disclaimer post', that we understand that everything is just opinion on this forum and that way nobody can get in trouble from following dosages/protocols..

Please dont spam my log with these discussions.

 

[supernature]

I only have hemoglobin and ceruloplasmin. Hemoglobin is always low, 5 last time. Range is 7 and up.
Ceruloplasmin in range, 0.35 range is 0.25-0.60

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[Helen]

Hemoglobin of 5 g/dl and range begins at 7+, strange range, but that value is way low. You sure they didnt gave you range for infants instead of adults.

Do you happen to have either # 6 (iron deficiency) or # 15 (anemia) from the second picture ?

Yeah, at 5 hemoglobin she manages to run 10km twice weekly and also exercise 4 times a week with weights and probably also plays soccer )) and has sex 5 times a week))( joking)
I think I would be in the grave with hemoglobin 5 , if I attempted to do this kind of routine

Nina , You are stronger than 99.99999 % of people.

just imagine what this girl can do with hemoglobin 15 . LOL

 

[Nina]

Yeah, at 5 hemoglobin she manages to run 10km twice weekly and also exercise 4 times a week with weights and probably also plays soccer )) and has sex 5 times a week))( joking)
I think I would be in the grave with hemoglobin 5 , if I attempted to do this kind of routine

Nina , You are stronger than 99.99999 % of people.

just imagine what this girl can do with hemoglobin 15 . LOL

Lol the normal range was 7.5-10 for women and 8.5-12 for men. I think exercise is the thing that keeps me sane

 

[Nina]

Hemoglobin of 5 g/dl and range begins at 7+, strange range, but that value is way low. You sure they didnt gave you range for infants instead of adults.

Do you happen to have either # 6 (iron deficiency) or # 15 (anemia) from the second picture ?

Those nails look really bad, my nails are normal shape but they look oxygen deprived, grey/blue. I do have vertical ridges in all my nails

 

[noprop]

Yeah, at 5 hemoglobin she manages to run 10km twice weekly and also exercise 4 times a week with weights and probably also plays soccer )) and has sex 5 times a week))( joking)
I think I would be in the grave with hemoglobin 5 , if I attempted to do this kind of routine

Nina , You are stronger than 99.99999 % of people.

just imagine what this girl can do with hemoglobin 15 . LOL

Yeah, we can all imagine: she could give some to someone else. Huhuhihi.
But it is not just about hemo, also about mitochondrial function. With severe dysfunction, you are then really fu...... or very low iron.

 

[Nina]

Added 1 gram histidine 3 times a day with meals + 800mcg folic acid twice a day. Lets see what happens

 

[Nina]

Nina, did you create this thread deep in the night (at around 3:30 AM?) When do you usually work out and sleep? Hows your sleep quality? I think I've read somewhere you don't sleep well and also don't get a lot of sleep, if that is also coupled with a completely delayed sleeping rhythm, I can see how all sorts of problems can emerge. I was hypothyroid and had all sorts of weird problems and imbalances, which all improved significantly upon sleeping at normal times just for a few weeks/months. Your description of crashing etc also sounds like typical adrenal fatigue-ish symptoms, which often are just rooted in a messed up sleeping rhythm. Having a completely normal sleep schedule would help you a lot probably.

I'd also slow down a bit with the workouts with your current issues especially. Sitting around all day is terrible, but working out too much is not that good either.

Yeah my sleep is really bad lately. I average maybe 6 hours if im lucky. Cant seem to stay asleep at all, but i have always slept very little and never had issues before 3 years ago when the other symptoms also started

 

[Nina]

6 hours should be fine if you sleep through them, it's at the right time and if its of a good quality. Also looking not to mouthbreathe during sleep is important. You could try out the inclined bed therapy (Inclined Bed Therapy - Sophia Health Institute) or sleeping on the floor. Chamomile tea improves my sleep quality and in my case eating enough. If I don't have a great dinner, my sleep will be complete shit. Before you had your issues, did you sleep at completely normal times or did you also have nighthawky tendencies?

Have always been a nightowl yes. In highschool i went to sleep around 2-3am and wake up at 7:30 then sleep 10 hours on weekends to make up for it haha.

 

[mattyb]

@Helen @Nina

Everyone has EBV at all times. 95% of healthy people are positive for at least one type of EBV viral loads. You can't get rid of EBV, you can only control it through the immune system. All people harbor latent infections as long as they have been exposed to some time or another. The latent infection hides in B-cells. When you fast, you reduce the B-cell population. This is why they can use things like rituximab to treat EBV related lymphomas - in addition to EBV associated disorders like MS and Rheumatoid Arthritis - because they reduce B-cell population. Without B-cells, the virus has nowhere to live. The problem is that you really only need a single cell to survive this process, so re-infection and re-population of viral load is constant - not to mention that everyone is exposed to it at all times because 95% of the general population carries it, so re-infection is almost 100% certain.

Ozone therapy could work because EBV has a narrow redox window for what it can tolerate - needs a base level of ROS that's higher than normal for replication, but excessive ROS will kill the virus. Problem is, the body can't produce that much ROS without t-cells targeting the b-cells for apoptosis. However, the problem with ozone therapy in someone like Nina's case who has a chronic EBV infection and chronically too high viral loads is that she would need ozone therapy consistently. For something's like Burkitt's lymphoma where the EBV infection is isolated and the infection is acute and due to environmental factors (e.g. malaria, toxin exposure, etc.) ozone therapy is very appropriate - just need some high doses of ozone to kill off the EBV in the throat until the body controls the lymphoma. EBV-related lymphomas are sharp and acute and ultimately initiated by other factors. What Nina has is not - and chronic ozone therapy can cause problems in other areas if used chronically (lots of ROS). If the problem is that antigen presentation on the b-cell is insufficient (which is a more common genetic mutation in europeans), then that's the issue and you need to support the body in this.

EBV replication is achieved through chronic Protein Kinase C activation. Vitamin D sensitizes PKC to calcium, by increasing calcium influx and proper intergration into the cell, decreasing the time PKC is active. Vitamin D also has anti-EBV activity on it's own by upregulating the innate immune system, EBV actually produces a protein that blocks vitamin D from binding to it's nuclear receptor, inhibiting it's action. The low dose Vitamin K2 is just there to balance out the excessive amounts of Vitamin D, to prevent calcification, and because it directly inhibits PKC activity.

I agree that B2 could be beneficial as well. You do need to, over time, increase oxidation rate to support the immune system. The t-cells need to be super efficient and well fed to hold the infection at bay in people with inefficient antigen presentation. This is why the high carb diet works, but it only works in the context of higher B2 and B1 intakes.

I also don't think Nina is a true slow oxidizer. I think the virus is killing her metabolism and the body is releasing calcium to try and stimulate metabolism. So I don't think we should interpret her tests this way. I also think the virus depletes Vit D, and when vitamin d goes low mineral retention in bones is very poor.

 

[mattyb]

Just an FYI, EBV/Mono can cause hemolytic anemia - so your hemoglobin will be low and oxygen delivery will be very poor.

 

[Nina]

Just an FYI, EBV/Mono can cause hemolytic anemia - so your hemoglobin will be low and oxygen delivery will be very poor.

I remember @Helen said virus lives in acidic environment, maybe that plays a part too

 

[Helen]

@Helen @Nina

Everyone has EBV at all times. 95% of healthy people are positive for at least one type of EBV viral loads. You can't get rid of EBV, you can only control it through the immune system. All people harbor latent infections as long as they have been exposed to some time or another. The latent infection hides in B-cells. When you fast, you reduce the B-cell population. This is why they can use things like rituximab to treat EBV related lymphomas - in addition to EBV associated disorders like MS and Rheumatoid Arthritis - because they reduce B-cell population. Without B-cells, the virus has nowhere to live. The problem is that you really only need a single cell to survive this process, so re-infection and re-population of viral load is constant - not to mention that everyone is exposed to it at all times because 95% of the general population carries it, so re-infection is almost 100% certain.

Ozone therapy could work because EBV has a narrow redox window for what it can tolerate - needs a base level of ROS that's higher than normal for replication, but excessive ROS will kill the virus. Problem is, the body can't produce that much ROS without t-cells targeting the b-cells for apoptosis. However, the problem with ozone therapy in someone like Nina's case who has a chronic EBV infection and chronically too high viral loads is that she would need ozone therapy consistently. For something's like Burkitt's lymphoma where the EBV infection is isolated and the infection is acute and due to environmental factors (e.g. malaria, toxin exposure, etc.) ozone therapy is very appropriate - just need some high doses of ozone to kill off the EBV in the throat until the body controls the lymphoma. EBV-related lymphomas are sharp and acute and ultimately initiated by other factors. What Nina has is not - and chronic ozone therapy can cause problems in other areas if used chronically (lots of ROS). If the problem is that antigen presentation on the b-cell is insufficient (which is a more common genetic mutation in europeans), then that's the issue and you need to support the body in this.

EBV replication is achieved through chronic Protein Kinase C activation. Vitamin D sensitizes PKC to calcium, by increasing calcium influx and proper intergration into the cell, decreasing the time PKC is active. Vitamin D also has anti-EBV activity on it's own by upregulating the innate immune system, EBV actually produces a protein that blocks vitamin D from binding to it's nuclear receptor, inhibiting it's action. The low dose Vitamin K2 is just there to balance out the excessive amounts of Vitamin D, to prevent calcification, and because it directly inhibits PKC activity.

I agree that B2 could be beneficial as well. You do need to, over time, increase oxidation rate to support the immune system. The t-cells need to be super efficient and well fed to hold the infection at bay in people with inefficient antigen presentation. This is why the high carb diet works, but it only works in the context of higher B2 and B1 intakes.

I also don't think Nina is a true slow oxidizer. I think the virus is killing her metabolism and the body is releasing calcium to try and stimulate metabolism. So I don't think we should interpret her tests this way. I also think the virus depletes Vit D, and when vitamin d goes low mineral retention in bones is very poor.

BEfore the crash from fin last week, I had very low viral load in my body, since my reduced glutathione was good and oxidized good also. (normal)

when people get glutathione IVs, they measure viral load and it goes way down, in a week/ Virus is just a state, it is not an infection IMO

That viral state goes away just as you adjust body chemistry which is not appropriate for it. If not the viral load would not go away on glut IV< but it just disapppears very fast.


Matty there is no true slow oxidizers or fast oxidizers, I see tests with 100s of people with shingles, and herpes and etc. the met rate is different in all of them

I see people with shingles with fast met rate also. Virus is just a state and glutathione depletion can be in slow or fast oxidation.

If you are aslow oxidizer , you are slow. you cant not be not true. Hairtest shows exactly what oxidation rate is now. Everyone in slo

If she delivers zero oxygen to the cell, I dont quite get how she can oxidize anything.

Lymphoma is a much much higher viral load. It is not localized . I had mono in my brain because of that, that stuff is everywhere I had 30-40 tumors. and brain tumors , kidney tumors, lower body tumors , it was everywhere.

 

[Helen]

Just an FYI, EBV/Mono can cause hemolytic anemia - so your hemoglobin will be low and oxygen delivery will be very poor.

Matty I dont think virus is a primary condition in the body, otherwise I would never gotten rid of it. and I did. I had it non existant in my body. I had done so many tests.

Virus does not help when you have weak glutathione system , but it is not the cause , it is the outcome. IMO

Herpes virus is like candida. It is everywhere, you cant get reinfected by one cell or two cells, or 3 . this stuff is everywhere, Like a flu virus.
Once you immune system goes down, you get this virus.

Because if it were the primary the Herpes we are all fucked then. and everyone would be slow oxidizer, since 100% of people get flu and if they do get flu means they get herpes, and then if they get herpes it would automatically fuck them them dearly. and never let them recover.

 

[mattyb]

Yes, probably because you don't have the same SNPs as Nina, and your body is fine at controlling EBV when it's in running order. You also were exposed to a ton of environmental factors, heavy metals, medications, etc, which killed your systems.

Nina was otherwise a completely healthy teenager, athletic, active, good diet, energetic, got mono/EBV, and then all these problems started. She has a problem controlling the EBV even when in a healthy state. You are both very different cases and can't be treated the same way.

 

[mattyb]

I remember @Helen said virus lives in acidic environment, maybe that plays a part too

It's more nuanced than that. Different bacteria and viruses enjoy different conditions depending on the cells they infect, location in the body, etc.

 

[Helen]

Yes, probably because you don't have the same SNPs as Nina, and your body is fine at controlling EBV when it's in running order. You also were exposed to a ton of environmental factors, heavy metals, medications, etc, which killed your systems.

Nina was otherwise a completely healthy teenager, athletic, active, good diet, energetic, got mono/EBV, and then all these problems started. She has a problem controlling the EBV even when in a healthy state. You are both very different cases and can't be treated the same way.

She wrote that was always not feeling right . Nina actually reminds me myself. I was exactly the same. top in 5 sports categories, despite major health problems. which I never even knew.
I had herpes from childhood. Always with blisters and very weak glutathione system. with copper toxicities mercury and they even thought I was autistic.

Crazy scoliosis from childhood also. Which I corrected via sports .


I also got mono from finasteride. Nina had some surgery and also got the mono from that, not just out of the blue.

I assume it is weak FAD system which predisposes people to all this stuff. they gave her some drugs, which effected her system.

I think dog person was correct that it is mostly about FAD. which then creates D deficiencies, K deficiences, zinc finger deficiencies and potassium deficiencies, and all PLP enzymes deficiencies.

Lymphoma is harder to kill, since the body conserves the crazy herpes outbreaks. calcifies that stuff

I used serrapeptase and natokinase to break those shells. OH man, I thought I would die, herpes just was taking over big time. It felt like mono over and over again.))

Once you get localized tumors, this is much much harder to get rid of comparing to just a viral load. viral load goes away in days in my experience.

Also herpes lives in gallbladder, I had crazy breakouts on liver flushes, just insane, over and overr and over again. but then I started to use huge doses of niacin and this helped greatly since it released a lot of viral load and the body killed. it.


But I did have to use helping things, like ozone and h2o2 in the moment, since my own immune system will never handle this kind of load. And it will crash over and over again.

So it is good to increase oxidative rate, while you are oxyginating the body like crazy, so the nitric oxide stays workings at all times.

This times you get the virus is all hidden places and then you will not have a HUGE LOAD at once.

It is a HUGE LOAD at once that gets the immune system screwed

this is why if you dialate all your places with NO and niacin and clean out the gallbladder and Take very very hot baths all the time and oxygen oxygen oxygen, then the viral load will be gone.

And then you will increase your Bs and your electrolytes, your immune system will be on par and will easily handle the virus from the outside. later on

It is the drugs like FIN like other crap that turn off the glutathione of the extensive period of time and then the immune system can not handle it. Since you collect the viral load which is too much.

but I do think that the FAD system is kind of weak in people who have herpes from childhood. ( I mean cold sores) and it predisposes them for the crash.








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[Nina]

She wrote that was always not feeling right . Nina actually reminds me myself. I was exactly the same. top in 5 sports categories, despite major health problems. which I never even knew.
I had herpes from childhood. Always with blisters and very weak glutathione system. with copper toxicities mercury and they even thought I was autistic.

Crazy scoliosis from childhood also. Which I corrected via sports .

I also got mono from finasteride. Nina had some surgery and also got the mono from that, not just out of the blue.

I assume it is weak FAD system which predisposes people to all this stuff. they gave her some drugs, which effected her system.

I think dog person was correct that it is mostly about FAD. which then creates D deficiencies, K deficiences, zinc finger deficiencies and potassium deficiencies, and all PLP enzymes deficiencies.

Yeah thats pretty accurate.

 

[supernature]

just imagine what this girl can do with hemoglobin 15 . LOL

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Lol the normal range was 7.5-10 for women and 8.5-12 for men.

Those nails look really bad, my nails are normal shape but they look oxygen deprived, grey/blue.

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