Nocturnal Erection Recovery

[Niles]

So you are taking 12 amino acid supplements separately (there are 21 amino acids) on top of the NOW EAA? Whatever aminos you are not taking, the others will push each other out of balance. That is what I'm saying that the caps are balanced so you can just increase the dose even more without worrying about things getting out of ratio, and like I said you just open up and empty the capsules out into water its the same as pure powder if you really wanted to crank up the dosage. So every time you take a serving of NOW EAA, you need to take arginine, for example otherwise lysine will cancel out the arginine and this goes all for other aminos since they act on ratios. Seems easier just to take the aminos in good forms that are balanced than take 12+ different capsules a day along with a big jug of powder with you.

Also, we already know that you don't need that much of histidine or cysteine to be effective (some people respond less than 100mgs).

I agree though that whey or egg white protein powder can work too, but it requires an extra step since your body needs to digest and break the protein down first and then absorb the aminos. If your digestion and metabolism are shit you won't be getting much of it (let alone the amino forms in whey aren't in HCL form, which are superior in absorption).

Edit: and if you find and a full spectrum amino supplement in powder form, let me know as I would be interested and think we could add it electrolytes protocol as it would simplify things much easier (that is why I like the caps now)

I've taken the EAAs along with zinc finger aminos and those that PFS state causes deficiency in (EAAs + cysteine, arginine, citrulline). The others apart from those *should* be synthesized in the proper ratios fairly readily by the body. We can't be certain of that last assumption though, so taking a complete aminos supplement is definitely the safer route. Unfortunately I haven't found a complete amino bulk powder, and buying the $30 bottle of caps three times a month is more than I like to spend :/ If anyone can recommend a fully hydrolyzed, unflavored, no fillers whey protein isolate in the US, I'd be all over that. Fully hydrolyzed whey protein isolate should be close to complete free form aminos (nearly zero digestion required).

 

[TubZy]

I've taken the EAAs along with zinc finger aminos and those that PFS state causes deficiency in (EAAs + cysteine, arginine, citrulline). The others apart from those *should* be synthesized in the proper ratios fairly readily by the body. We can't be certain of that last assumption though, so taking a complete aminos supplement is definitely the safer route. Unfortunately I haven't found a complete amino bulk powder, and buying the $30 bottle of caps three times a month is more than I like to spend :/ If anyone can recommend a fully hydrolyzed, unflavored, no fillers whey protein isolate in the US, I'd be all over that. Fully hydrolyzed whey protein isolate should be close to complete free form aminos (nearly zero digestion required).

Yeah, the other amino acids are listed as well though in the protocol like taurine, alanine, aspartic acid etc. Right, they should be synthesized if you are eating loads of protein with each meal with good digestion, but not many people are that case at least when starting out so its hard to tell. Those caps I found were the closest full spectrum free form aminos I could find with the only down side of the dose being low.

You ever hear of Nutrabio? They are based in Middlesex, I think you this is the type of protein you are looking for or would be closest to what you are looking for. I occasionally used to use this post workout in my shake its good stuff. It is hydrolyzed, very small amount of fillers and the test each batch for purity. I just don't feel like taking a protein shake with every single meal since I eat whole foods high in protein and I'm usually full after eating so just taking aminos in free form without the protein seems more ideal.
Hydrolyzed Whey Protein - 5 lb

 

[djohn051]

So you are taking 12 amino acid supplements separately (there are 21 amino acids) on top of the NOW EAA? Whatever aminos you are not taking, the others will push each other out of balance. That is what I'm saying that the caps are balanced so you can just increase the dose even more without worrying about things getting out of ratio, and like I said you just open up and empty the capsules out into water its the same as pure powder if you really wanted to crank up the dosage. So every time you take a serving of NOW EAA, you need to take arginine, for example otherwise lysine will cancel out the arginine and this goes all for other aminos since they act on ratios. Seems easier just to take the aminos in good forms that are balanced than take 12+ different capsules a day along with a big jug of powder with you.

Also, we already know that you don't need that much of histidine or cysteine to be effective (some people respond less than 100mgs).

I agree though that whey or egg white protein powder can work too, but it requires an extra step since your body needs to digest and break the protein down first and then absorb the aminos. If your digestion and metabolism are shit you won't be getting much of it (let alone the amino forms in whey aren't in HCL form, which are superior in absorption).

Edit: and if you find and a full spectrum amino supplement in powder form, let me know as I would be interested and think we could add it electrolytes protocol as it would simplify things much easier (that is why I like the caps now)

This is very interesting to me and could point towards something that I've done that may have detrimented me. From when I was a kid I've gotten cold sores pretty frequently. What is known in the literature is that the HSV virus seems to thrive when someone is eating a diet rich that has a high ratio of arginine to lysine. As such, I have taken lysine quite frequently as a supplement to prevent these outbreaks. Based on what you are saying, this is a poor practice. What I ask, is would I be okay keeping this as a 1:1 ratio? Obviously I want to get rid of my PFS symptoms, but I'd also like to reduce outbreaks and not replace one problem with another. This is interesting though and could have played into my developing of PFS/worsening of it.