NUTRIENTS DEPLETED by Antidepressants, Antipsychotics, and Stimulants

[Helen]

I know some of you might have read this already on several forums. but this is funny that I found this on PSSD forum and NO one is even interested. Everyone just looks for one pill, one drug,

If I had to choose most important in my opinion things depleted in PFS PPSD. B vitamins. Redox vitamins, plus Biotin is probably severely depleted, plus SOD components. and chromium. ( all mentioned in electrolytes protocol)







1. Adderall depletes:
Vitamin B12, vitamin C, and potassium.

2. Prozac depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

3. Paxil depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

4. Zoloft depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q</strong>10, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

5. Celexa depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

6. Wellbutrin/Zyban depletes:
Vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, and sodium.

7. Remeron depletes:
Vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, and sodium.

8. Effexor depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

9. Risperdal depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

10. Zyprexa depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

11. Seroquel depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

12. Depakote depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, calcium, magnesium, and Essential Fatty Acids.




@talkingant You see this is pretty much what I outlined for you.

 

[ballheadbuddha]

What would be expected in a person who had AD overdose without any detoxification after it? (Edit: And survived, of course..)
I mean, what is the damage it might have caused? on liver, mineral-profile wise..?
@Helen

 

[RebelWithACause]

I used high dose of ritalin when I was 21 for a few months. I assume ritalin lowers same minerals/vitamins as Adderall. Took a year to feel normal.

 

[barbaar]

I used high dose of ritalin when I was 21 for a few months. I assume ritalin lowers same minerals/vitamins as Adderall. Took a year to feel normal.

I was on it for a while too around that age. Fucking awful. It gave me panic attacks and made anxiety 300x worse. If I hadn't been on it I probably would have never touched antidepressants.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I was on it for a while too around that age. Fucking awful. It gave me panic attacks and made anxiety 300x worse. If I hadn't been on it I probably would have never touched antidepressants.

Yea it's bad.

When I came off it I became paranoid. I thought my parents, friends and everyone around me was out to get me. Then for a year I was anxious, low self-esteem and depressed.

Never trusted a doctor 100% after that again. Which is the good part from the whole experience. I was naive as fuck. Thought ritalin was a genuine fix. But it is not obviously. It is a drug. Just like SSRI's and all the other shit. It does not work. It is man-made chemicals to mask underlying issues.

 

[Admiral]

I used ritallin to fill in the grade reports for the students, but the feeling grew on me. High dose too, made me spacy, which I liked. I also cleaned my hours within 30 minutes and called all my friends to say I loved them.

I miss drugs..

 

[hairsuit]

I was on it for a while too around that age. Fucking awful. It gave me panic attacks and made anxiety 300x worse. If I hadn't been on it I probably would have never touched antidepressants.

What is crazy, the first time I crashed on Fin minus the sexual sides and before I knew it was Fin related, Adderall is only thing that made me feel normal. I remember thinking, “wow, this is what the world used to feel like”. Course, haven’t touched it since

 

[barbaar]

What is crazy, the first time I crashed on Fin minus the sexual sides and before I knew it was Fin related, Adderall is only thing that made me feel normal. I remember thinking, “wow, this is what the world used to feel like”. Course, haven’t touched it since

That is crazy. Ritalin does nothing for me anymore now with PSSD except make me feel like I just got hit by a bus

 

[Shadow]

I know some of you might have read this already on several forums. but this is funny that I found this on PSSD forum and NO one is even interested. Everyone just looks for one pill, one drug,

You are absolutely right, but, I struggle to believe in some kind of depletion or toxicity because of 2 things:
- Why the great majority only experience problems after stopping the drug.
- How can a depletion/toxicity can happen after 2 pills? I mean if the thing was that potent more poeple would get screwed.

I dont understand how this can happen(I know very little about biochemistry and all that stuff so maybe Im missing something).

About Ritalin, I used some when I was 17, 18 years, always felt awesome, I remember it making physical contact more pleasurable, strange but was very good...

 

[Jaxx]

Kinda interesting how many people seem to have used another drug on the list before getting pfs, pssd etc. I know that multiple people on the PSSD forum used propecia before they got PSSD, i used roaccutane myself.

My vitamine screening came out normal last year, although i dont think all of above was measured.

 

[talkingant]

Interesting. We'll see if this agrees with my B vitamin blood test results coming in soon.

 

[tonysoprano]

I took Strattera for several years before I took fin for a month. Must be some connection to all of this.

 

[jacknap]

I know some of you might have read this already on several forums. but this is funny that I found this on PSSD forum and NO one is even interested. Everyone just looks for one pill, one drug,

If I had to choose most important in my opinion things depleted in PFS PPSD. B vitamins. Redox vitamins, plus Biotin is probably severely depleted, plus SOD components. and chromium. ( all mentioned in electrolytes protocol)







1. Adderall depletes:
Vitamin B12, vitamin C, and potassium.

2. Prozac depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

3. Paxil depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

4. Zoloft depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q</strong>10, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

5. Celexa depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

6. Wellbutrin/Zyban depletes:
Vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, and sodium.

7. Remeron depletes:
Vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, and sodium.

8. Effexor depletes:
Vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B3, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C, vitamin D, <strong>coenzyme Q10</strong>, calcium, magnesium, manganese, selenium, sodium, zinc, and glutathione.

9. Risperdal depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

10. Zyprexa depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

11. Seroquel depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, and calcium.

12. Depakote depletes:
Vitamin A, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin B12, biotin, folic acid, carnitine, inositol, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin K, calcium, magnesium, and Essential Fatty Acids.




@talkingant You see this is pretty much what I outlined for you.

what about phenibut? it was made in mother Russia

 

[MNK99]

I trust most russian drugs >>> FDA drugs.
Not krokidil though.

-I'm pretty offtopic a lot ofthe time (not my first 590 posts or so).
-BUT* Phenibut is more like an opiate, and Straterra is an NRI (seems bad for most people's ADHD, depression too... I think mostly prescribed to people who cannot take stimulants or are on record for having substance abuse or comorbid disorders, in which rx-stimulant use would be risky.
-Phenibut may be anxiolytic, depressive, sedative. Not sure of chemical structure and all that, but it is talked about on here, Area and or Helen mentioned.


-Ritalin is quite different than amphetamines. Ritalin is closer to cocaine as per the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine, whereas amps are dopamine agonists, mixed salt amphetamines (racemic street or prescription) have more norepinephrine activity to go along with their dopaminergic releaser effects, but d-isomers are far more selective. Same with desoxyn (pure, prescription grade methamphetamine vs say biker meth). Pure meth, that's 99% or so would also behave like the desoxyn but it would be a quicker R.O.A. (route of administration like smoking, vaporizing, injecting) compared to a prescription pill, and it would be 50-200* the dose.
-Stimulants >>> all those drugs and have a bad name. But all those lawyers, docs, etc... athletes (not professional etc), ... lots of people use them.

-Most don't need a regular dose. But side effects can be managed ... for the most part... for the healthy few that may need them.
-There is no relation to that and bullshit off use drugs like Straterra.
-Ritalin... at 25 or so... wack, compared to coke at 21. Just like coffee at 16... it doesn't cut it at 20 (lean, skinny, fit... no real problems, pre antidepressant use). Problems sure, but not severe.


-It's like saying MJ is a depressant or a stimulant, it increases blood pressure and heart rate, but may make one tired - but it's a lot more complicated than that.
-It may be much more accurately characterized as a stimulant but strains make a huge difference, like say a heavy indica (sedating) vs. a racy sativa (stimulating) and tolerance and CBD:THC, and CHN, and probably others of the 30-100 cannabinoids play a role.
-Like alcohol, some types may be stimulating, on net though it isn't classified as a stimulant (think how dumb and slow a chronic drunk for 20 yrs would be).
-Coke costed me money, had to hide... but could actually get 50-65% of school work done. Effexor cost me like 1.5-2 years and severely worsened ADHD.
-I had to hide it a lot, not all are cool with it... and probably every single thing on this list worsened paranoia at times (not cumulatively).
-That's an SNRI (at higher doses) and an SSRI (at lower doses).
-Quitting effexor = bed all day, manic... fucked up to say the least. Alcoholism the next 2.5 years or so (felt very long, but I was a kid so time goes fast and feels like an eternity).
-Quitting coke = delete phone numbers, sad, some dreams... and running, gone.
-Quitting alcohol = harder because it's literally everywhere. Leaves you more anxious, depressed, and with brain-fog/ worsened memory issues, and tired.

-Quitting prescription stimulants = usually because of tolerance break or finishing studies... hard at first sometimes, but 2-10 weeks easy enough.
-17-18months after fin, because scared of dying. Didn't ruin anything. If anything I look better because I manage diet with zero effort usually.
-BUT* it is hard at first (especially the crap stimulants they push, which are racemic).
-They classify like 10 different types of ADHD and call what was "ADD" - "ADHD" now. DSM.

-An inattentive girl, versus someone like me : insomniac, talking fast, moving all the time, monopolizing conversations --- look and act quite different.
-There will be or already is "SCT" in the DSM-V, i.e. Sluggish Cognitive Tempo, thanks to Dr. Russel Barkley (who I like at times, but wtf).

-While, I like stimulants and believe and can see ADHD exists, I don't think the original post marketing and the original ways they got people on board were all that great, like they had seminars and prescribed and diagnosed on the spot in park settings with kids.... and nurses/other school idiots don't know jack.
-Family doctors = 1/1000 knows that much... and so a nurse or a teacher (only job with pensions and 4months off, and 2-6 hrs work).

-It's quite possible, smart - recreational use of stimulants won't jack a person up... and is safe, vs. say 20 years on dexedrine, adderall, desoxyn.
-Quite possible, amphetamines thin the blood brain barrier and increase permeability (rendering one more susceptible to --I don't know, but some bad things).
-Possibly neuro-viruses?
-And constant use of baking soda, tums, PPI's, etc to potentiate it ... could leave stomach lining irritated and possibly increase liklihood of drastic effects to other agents.
-PPI's are no good anyways.

-Wellbutrin seems more useful to someone with a complicated neuropsychological disorder. I.e. if they cannot use straight stimulants or react badly to Methylphenidate, or are bipolar and have all ADHD symptoms, or some other neurological condition.
-Hair loss is reported with every single one of these
-Weight gain? ---> not on stims unless abusive doses and then cessation occurs. All those AAP's ? Hell yeah, tons of weight gain, metabolic disorders, decreased I.Q., during testing while on the drug (Seroquel is a prime example).

-Wellbutrin is an NDRI -- sounds more reasonable to me than a lot of meds; but either useless for ADHD and Mood... or it's good for ADHD+Depression, or not. Lots of controversy, my doctor said, older or other antidepressants make more sense (this was like 18 months ago). Possibly used in Bipolar with focus, organizational, executive function, memory issues.
-Probably also makes memory worse, and can have similar effects as the SNRI+SSRI drugs.
-It's funny, JQD said he takes that but cannot take Adderall bc it would destroy someone in PFS, but yet he was cured .... (although he claimed that a lot of times).
-Probably all the other drugs too...
---> I learned and wrote a ton elsewhere online about these... but, above covers a lot.

-If you need or use a drug, keep it to ONE ideally.

 

[Trump_1776]

I'm in the process of weening off my antidepressant. Used it for years but I think it may be causing more harm than good

 

[MNK99]

You're extremely lucky... I was on it for like a yr... fucked up my entire life, climbed back from hell at younger than you are (fuck pssd, i mean like 70-100k, mania, on the run, and pssd, and alcohol, and ppl after me, and such). Lol. Wean, I threw or lost it or someone threw some of them for me (probably a bad move on their part).

Outside of crack, meth, or hardcore designer drug stims... not even close to the same class of drugs as antidepressants (SSRI's, SNRI's).

I thought CD's followers aren't allowed to use anything outside of herbs and R-Andro??

Certainly they're not good for Test or "Alphaness" (I never gave a fuck about that).

My bad @Trump_1776 now that I know more about you I am less abrasive. I see. See I was told don't take anything but now everyone's on drugs. The mere fact* you and I are FAR ALONG in recovering PFS and occasionally or (long term) medication use, shows that some meds .. it makes no difference. Not to mention *Justquitdut* who did tons of drugs, is smart, and recovered, regardless of what the wackadoos in Solvepfs say.

 

[Trump_1776]

You're extremely lucky... I was on it for like a yr... fucked up my entire life, climbed back from hell at younger than you are (fuck pssd, i mean like 70-100k, mania, on the run, and pssd, and alcohol, and ppl after me, and such). Lol. Wean, I threw or lost it or someone threw some of them for me (probably a bad move on their part).

Outside of crack, meth, or hardcore designer drug stims... not even close to the same class of drugs as antidepressants (SSRI's, SNRI's).

I thought CD's followers aren't allowed to use anything outside of herbs and R-Andro??

Why were you on it

 

[MNK99]

I was using an antidepressant, primarily Effexor XR for anti anxiety effects, as per my Misdiagnosis, with Gen. Anxiety Disorder, it's referenced on my Log and elsewhere, here.

I was told I had G.A.D. That psychiatrist was "out to lunch", but I was a naive kid (basically).

Really, I had ADHD +/- BPII. Read her notes last year during Fin crash, when I sent her office (former office, she probably doesn't work there anymore), it said "patient displays manic sx" and 3 pgs of gibberish basically. She was a clown, for sure. Caused worst mania ever... I've ever seen and some docs have seen... ALSO*** --> DX'd the correct things 5 and 7 or so yrs later.

Anyways:Various mood stabilizers would be a better fit (in theory). I will try and just use "mineral Lithium" (lol, they're both salts... but the poison is in the dosage). Lithium Carbonate is also a salt, as is Lithium Orotate (used like 0.00001% of my life). And Lamotrigine took my perfect hair down several notches. As did Adderall a few yrs prior.

-If a doctor can't explain exactly why those would work let alone, likeliness of side effects that "deal breakers" for me, to me... then no.
I.e. no meds, mostly.

I'll fix that in the future.

Anyways, Titrate off slowly.

 

[MNK99]

I was on Effexor in short: For the one to two symptoms I told them about because I could not then articulate the rest of them, and of course they'd rather go with the more common, easier to treat diagnosis. And I definitely hid things from them. It was so bad, I literally stopped going. I enrolled in like 60 courses before graduating one degree, got 2, like several yrs later.

I moved to Europe, then to the opposite side of the country. So it was pretty bad. Lived out of a suitcase for 1.5yrs, never felt "home" for like 3-5yrs.

 

[MNK99]

@Helen
@Area-1255

What do you guys think about COCA TEA (hard to get, can cause serious shyt, importing that). Maybe darknet.
Asking for a friend.

Yeah so my friend wants to know, this is a good thing to use right? Helped Peruvians with ALtitude sickness. May not cut it for my friend tho. They may need big factories to process it with gasoline, to get that pure crystallized high that allows them to focus with sustained and enigmatic euphoria.