Ocguy Long Overdue Log

[Ocguy]

Hi Guys,

Just for the record, I'm dealing with Post Avodart Syndrome.. I think it's probably a little more challenging because the way Avodart blocks both Dht1 and Dht2.. Whatever broke, it hit me hard
I never had an issue with Fin... i was on it from 1998 to 2006.. And then in my infinite wisdom decided i needed something stronger, as i was still shedding..

Avodart's initial symptoms in 2007 were :

dry orgasms, and kind of emotionless. Not a big deal.

In 2008 i had a financial crash and noticed libido was fading a little.. dropped the Avodart cold turkey.. Recommitted to the Gym, ate perfect and within a few months was better than i ever was on fin.. Banging bitches 20 years younger, rock hard erections, rock hard shape.. totally reborn..

in late 2010 noticed somethings not feeling quite right..suffered a little bit of stress with the business.. not much though.. But by Aug 2011, i completely CRASHED..

couldn't sleep a wink for weeks at a time..
Chronic watery stools,
infections, fungus issues - white tongue ,
tooth sensitivity.. had to get a few pulled it was so bad.
failing pathetic libido.
swelling,
Stiffness
High Blood pressue
RAPID HEARTBEAT - mostly when standing and especially after eating

What I've tried
accupuncture 4 days a week,
neurofeedback for the sleep issues..
Tons of ozone.. - every method you can imagine, even bought an RHP unit and hired a nurse to do it biweekly.. Basically dialysis with ozone
Energy medicines, Rife , Frequency specific microcurrent, etc etc
Herbs Galore, i could open a store, i have one of practically everything
Mineral balancing.. Back in 2014 for a year.. and now currently again.. Been back on since 3/18
Testosterone pellets -Crashed me hard! and besides they're hard to chew. jk )
etc , etc.. just ask )


Out of all the treatments iv'e done, Mineral Balancing probably helped the most from 2014 - 2015. I stopped because i figured my body could go the rest of the way on it's own
Big mistake. But at the time, i wasn't really sure what my problem was.. The avodart crash and burn was 2 years after i quit!

Here are my last 3 hair tests, I'm due for a new one SHORTLY.. u can see the progress, Also for the record I'm sticking with ARL labs. Tei, i'm, sure is good for many, but they didn't pick up my 3 amigos pattern from 11/28/18 test. they also didn't pick up the aluminum.. ARL historically has seen aluminum in my tests.. And the supp. protocol definitely helped me dump alot of it.. It was hell. I wanted to switch to TEI, but it just seemed like ARL was closer to what was really going on with me. Also for the record, I'm taking NES drops along with the minerals.. It's like a zyto scan and look for energy blocks, and then give u new drops monthly to release them. .it's supposed to help the mineral balancing go quicker.. supposedly, but who knows.

Thanks Guys.. sorry for going so long without a log, I know our participation helps us all get closer to healing, and for that I apologize.. at the same time grateful for everybody taking the time to post about this debilitating bitch of an issue.. We'll keep fighting!!

 

[RebelWithACause]

It is interesting since a lot of guys crash after a big hit of stress. I talked about this before on Hackstasis.

I crashed while on finasteride after getting into a fight with a guy who pulled a knife and threatened to kill me. Probably two/three months after that incident I crashed while on finasteride.

I have read more stories of people who crashed from finasteride after a big hit of stress.

Anyways good luck man.

 

[Ocguy]

It is interesting since a lot of guys crash after a big hit of stress. I talked about this before on Hackstasis.

I crashed while on finasteride after getting into a fight with a guy who pulled a knife and threatened to kill me. Probably two/three months after that incident I crashed while on finasteride.

I have read more stories of people who crashed from finasteride after a big hit of stress.

Anyways good luck man.

Yea, it is interesting right.. I had just found out that Yahoo was handing over their search to Bing (microsoft) i was a big syndicated publisher for Yahoo Search, we made money thru their Ad Network.. i was worried Microsoft would fuck it up.. and they did.. it crashed me financially and took about 4 months to get them squared away.. by then I was toast.

 

[MNK99]

EDIT: I think my associate/ family friend takes it every 28-32 days or something, just a tiny bit.


I'm guessing crash was so long after, because of the LONG LONG halflife of dutasteride. A friend of my brother's is a dermatologist. He basically takes duta like one tiny portion every 4-6 weeks or something like that. I only remember this because I discussed fin/duta with my bro on the phone, pre realizing for sure that I was crashing. I was also testing lamotrigine, then a tiny bit of trileptal at the time, so I didn't know for sure. Anyways, glad all that bs is over.

TEI may be the way to go. It seems it helped you the best. Sure, financial crisis this and that is very very stressful and likely can play a role. I feel other stuff happening to me was stressful, but I feel it's all Fin basically, and the other meds didn't help, but those symptoms I can figure out pretty easily, although not all the background processes.

Like Dex: Shaking, clenching teeth without magnesium. Lamotrigine (can cause tons of issues, hair loss notably was one). Also had surgery at the time. Man that was a fking crazy time. I'm sure you'll get better mate. Just get TEI again?

This may be completely incorrect.... Hair tests look decent I think. Not sure. Minus some toxicity. Again not sure and I don't remember. I'll get on that stuff too, soon, continuing TEI. Possibly lots of Al being chelated out, or whatever...

 

[Ocguy]

I'm guessing crash was so long after, because of the LONG LONG halflife of dutasteride. A friend of my brother's is a dermatologist. He basically takes duta like one tiny portion every 4-6 weeks or something like that. I only remember this because I discussed fin/duta with my bro on the phone, pre realizing for sure that I was crashing. I was also testing lamotrigine, then a tiny bit of trileptal at the time, so I didn't know for sure. Anyways, glad all that bs is over.

TEI may be the way to go. It seems it helped you the best. Sure, financial crisis this and that is very very stressful and likely can play a role. I feel other stuff happening to me was stressful, but I feel it's all Fin basically, and the other meds didn't help, but those symptoms I can figure out pretty easily, although not all the background processes.

Like Dex: Shaking, clenching teeth without magnesium. Lamotrigine (can cause tons of issues, hair loss notably was one). Also had surgery at the time. Man that was a fking crazy time. I'm sure you'll get better mate. Just get TEI again?

This may be completely incorrect.... Hair tests look decent I think. Not sure. Minus some toxicity. Again not sure and I don't remember. I'll get on that stuff too, soon, continuing TEI. Possibly lots of Al being chelated out, or whatever...

Hey buddy.. yea I'm back on Mineral balancing since 3/18/18.. I was going to flip to TeI but Arl seemed more accurate based on the labs and the progress

If I hit a roadblock or seem to stall out maybe I'll reconsider. I should have results in a couple weeks.. been going thru some rough days lately, will be interesting to see what's happening.. the only thing solid is my gut.. brain, mood, energy , outlook.. eh, not good.

Yea, half life must be killer.. I should be cured when I hit 150 years old.. so I got that to look forward to )


Going to liver flush this weekend and commit 2 a month.. finally picked up everything.. glad u r doing pretty good..

 

[raven]

It is interesting since a lot of guys crash after a big hit of stress. I talked about this before on Hackstasis.

I crashed while on finasteride after getting into a fight with a guy who pulled a knife and threatened to kill me. Probably two/three months after that incident I crashed while on finasteride.

I have read more stories of people who crashed from finasteride after a big hit of stress.

Anyways good luck man.

Also crashed during stressful period (PSSD)

 

[barbaar]

Also crashed during stressful period (PSSD)

Same. I started on SSRI during the most stressful time of my life so far, and was under a lot of stress constantly while taking it. I never really crashed though, just a gradual decline over a month or so.

 

[raven]

Same. I started on SSRI during the most stressful time of my life so far, and was under a lot of stress constantly while taking it. I never really crashed though, just a gradual decline over a month or so.

It's a hazy period for me but I think I was similar. There was no moment where I felt I was completely fucked

 

[RebelWithACause]

IT is kinda logical. Body is weakened by stress. If the body was strong it could bounce back.

 

[Canari]

Yeah you all notice the stress stuff… but it seems difficult to do something about it, as if we were powerless to act on it.

Damage has to do with accumulation, and when the fight starts, the body is still holding on some pathways, and the crash is when the body has to change pathways, and then all we try is to convince the body to come back to its previous pathways! But change is difficult for the body, so we have to be damn convincing!

When ever I have writen about the NS before, it seems complicated to apply. Also I wonder if there is a cultural stigma about "being weak"? My view is that if the body needs to put all soldiers on the most needed front, it has to abandon others. Then we get some "tiny invaders" making profit. And those are more frightening - to the body - than a guy who has a knife in his hand. But our emotions do not notice, this is the difference!

And any drug is also an aggression. Our body reacts, which is the goal of the drug actually. But our hormesis capacities are no more increasing than our capacity to work out. There is a moment when it is no more "no pain no gain" but "same pain, but crash".
No rhyme but truth….