PFS All In Our Heads...... can you believe this bullshit

hairsuit

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And the worst part is........ I wish this were true. At least it would give us a direction to move in.
 

RebelWithACause

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I gotta admit this triggers me a bit. But IT is a good lesson to see how people who dont have it OR experienced something like IT see PFS. "a bunch of crybabies". You can't hate it they just don't know. They cannot imagine IT. Dont expect sympathy from people who have not experienced something like IT. That is the way of this world. The best revenge is getting out of PFS and then leave it behind forever. No need to make it your identity. IT is a bump in the road. God Bless
 

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Man i hate seeing this shit. Its like saying ADHD/Autism etc etc is in someones head. Ofcourse someones mental state will be influenced by feeling this way, which is to be expected. Doesn’t mean that it is a mental disorder.

Also having mental health problems doesn’t mean its mental, it can still be caused by physical health issues. PFS is the perfect example of this.

People are just plain dumb these days while they believe they are ‘smart’, especially when it comes to (mental) health.
 

MNK99

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If that's the case, there's entire lives in my head. Anyways that's neither here nor there.
i hope those people get assaulted by rabid raccoons.
 

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We're going to see more of this as PFS becomes more well known
 

Ocguy

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Man i hate seeing this shit. Its like saying ADHD/Autism etc etc is in someones head. Ofcourse someones mental state will be influenced by feeling this way, which is to be expected. Doesn’t mean that it is a mental disorder.

Also having mental health problems doesn’t mean its mental, it can still be caused by physical health issues. PFS is the perfect example of this.

People are just plain dumb these days while they believe they are ‘smart’, especially when it comes to (mental) health.

Haha.. dumb people thinking theyre smart - exactly.. The dunning kruger effect.
 
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Here's another study that doesn't really help us out...

Investigation of the Plausibility of 5-Alpha-Reductase Inhibitor Syndrome

I pay no mind to ppl on forums that say it's all mental... seeing as I've 'regrown' (or whatever you want to call it) my actual 'junk' after seeing it shrivel & shrink. Plus the incremental sensation returns, etc... I've gotten 1 friend off propecia & 1 friend who had taken it, stopped but kept it in his medicine cabinet as he planned to go back on after getting his wife pregnant and I got him to trash it (not to mention the danger to the son in the house touching those pills, which is dangerous to young boys and pregnant women)

I guess I've made some cool friends through this course & anyone who'll listen I tell them to never take this poison...
 

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Mr. Trüeb is only a dermatoligist in Switzerland. He is not an endo or neuroendo.
When pfs awarness came up, he said officially that pfs should be investigated.
Short time later, he has a complete different opinion. Thx Merck.
Trüeb is the hair specialist "pope" in Switzerland. When he says to pay attention to pfs, ppl believe it.
Merck made a big mistake by inventing this poison.
Yet, they have done the second one by influencing dermatologists.
The third big mistake could be to influence the Baylor Studies.
Merck obviously wants to destroy men. What a pity.
 

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Actually, it is funny, but we had 2-3 people completely cured from POIS by going to the shrink.

Obviously their existing condition is some mineral imbalance in the brain like in autism depression, etc. but the tipping point for some people could be their environment.

Plus some people get to feel better cured, and then start to fuck themselves up immediately again. since they are trying to escape reality.
 

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The way pfs effects us mentally is crazy. On tei I can go one day thinking women are the most beautiful thing on Earth and lusting over them, and litteraly the next day seeing them as no different than a guy. I was convinced for a period that a lot of it was mental and the nofap route was probably going to be a big way out of this but after experiencing what I have I realize this is all hormonal.

Hormones (minerals) control s how we think. Feed a nation soy and you see how that's working out in Japan. America use to be full of real men and innovators and put fluoride in the water and now we are a bunch of ADD social justice warriors, who white knight all of the time. Before pfs I was so ADD before I got a fluoride free water filter.
 

RebelWithACause

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I thought about it for a while. I do think it is interesting... Since this is what I believed in the beginning of PFS. But I just fooled myself for a few months and ignored the PFS probems. Then I got in bed with a girl and had no erections. I did not even think about the potential of PFS.

It could be it is all in the head. Let's say it is. How does a person get out. Maybe forcing the body with minerals/hormones/whatever can get people out. Doing something crazy that makes you feel bad, a shock to the system. Or opposite something that makes you feel good.

I think also not thinking about it is a good way to get better faster. Meanwhile do a program. That is why TEI is nice. I don't think about PFS at all. I just think about TEI and also not always. Only on days where I feel shit like today.

I just want to know the following:

- How can hairloss stop for some people? With the power of the mind?
- How can a benis shrivel up for some people? With the power of the mind?
- Is extreme anxiety that people experience psychosomatic?

Also inject a good amount of testosterone or take a bunch of Proviron it changes how you think and look at the world instantly. People go from shy to social butterfly.

Just ask a woman who went from Female To Male transition how testosterone feels and changed her mindset. Or people with extremely low testosterone.

Take cocaine let's see if it influences you.

Which shows you how much hormones/minerals influence the way you look at things. The after effects is yes PSYCHOSOMATIC. "Feeling like shit" is done in the brain but often it comes from somewhere.

Since PFS people have lower hormones in some areas and higher hormones in other areas. This has been proven with measurements.

Did anyone read the article? What are their arguments? How did they come to this conclusion.
 
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MNK99

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My city has some of the cleanest water in the world. ADHD is still here and actually probably worse than when I lived here as a teen.

PFS caused shrinkage and suicidal ideation. Manic depression caused major issues... never suicidal planning nor extreme mania. Effexor did, as per like 100000 people complaining that it caused it to them. As per my medical records which I likely did not listen to (as I was 19).

Still, I do agree a huge part of PFS is psychological but the smarter doctors I’ve seen (talked to; certainly didn’t ask for help), agree it’s possible. Only the idiotic ones outright rejected it. That rate is likely higher, but I tend not to see such docs.

I have like 50-60 medical notes from 18-20 something about adhd. Have that time I didn’t know what it was nor did they, and severe disorganization was part of it. Also... aspects of BPII were too, like racing thoughts, anxiety attacks, significant memory deficits, and risk issues. As I went from hell to 5% adhd came on as did some of the hypo stuff. As I got to 30 and 80 and whatever, it did come on again.

(Still tho can be tough, severe pfs was way worse). There’s likely 20+ things that mimic adhd and indeed probably water, head trauma can cause that, even random rare things like taxi plasmodia can causes symptoms of mental disorders... but that’s just a label. Surely other types of androgen deprivation cause the corollary issues that are symptomatic of pfs. And like adhd, bipolar, schizophrenia, autism,.. etc, there’s a range of what’s affected.

Someone with decent or high iq adhd doesn’t have the exact same developmental delays as someone with severe cognitive developmental delays.

Like someone with just 4/10 depression or slightly worse e.q. Doesn’t have the same issues as someone with every single symptom listed on PH etc.

Also knowing a TON of specialists, it’s clear that it’s easier to reject something exists than to admit insufficient knowledge and understanding. Narcissism, arroagance, and belief that they know best is involved. Like ,Amy professions, and people In general.

Surely a less terrible shrink after pfs or pois can only help rather than seeing the offending one.
However, clearly it’s multifaceted and it’s impossible to put together exactly precise x to y causal relationships.

I do know I have never acted remotely like I did while crashing from fin OUTSIDE of Effexor (it was worse tho).
And I know I was extremely scared to try adderall, some other things too, like Lamo. And yet they didn’t cause reactions anywhere near what Effexor and fin caused. They may have changed personality 5-20% or even less. And they went away. Effexor felt permanent and life destroying, as did Finasteride.

No vision changes for like half my life - worsened in days.
Feeling more competent than ever to believing death is the only option in days/weeks was definitely not entirely psychosomatic. Let alone facial changes and burning testes for weeks or months.

Sure just treating things as not in ones control is very damaging. However a middle way can be taken.

Edit- written on iPad touchscreen hence 4 errors I can see and may correct later (and grammar but who cares).
 
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Sounds like me when it comes to fixing my car (currently stuck on the side of the road lol).
What is it doing?
 

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