PFS almost cured

[hairsuit]

Lol seriously.... everyone going this route should take no more than 0.1. Right?

We only want to micro dose this. I always hated when people say they taper off fin. Half, 1/4 they are all the same- just a super powerful drug.

Gotta go very very low.

@bruschi11 @Aflac94 exactly. But that’s why the only way to stay low enough is a water dose. So you take 1/4-1/2 cup of water, dissolve a pill in it (we need to decide .25 or .5mg) stir really really well, then take teaspoon or two. There’s your low dose. The question is will that be too low a dose.......

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 @Aflac94 exactly. But that’s why the only way to stay low enough is a water dose. So you take 1/4-1/2 cup of water, dissolve a pill in it (we need to decide .25 or .5mg) stir really really well, then take teaspoon or two. There’s your low dose. The question is will that be too low a dose.......

We want less than .2. Because it stops blocking dht potently under .2.

 

[hairsuit]

We want less than .2. Because it stops blocking dht potently under .2.

Absolutely. But you are getting less than .2. That .25mg pill dissolves and you are only taking 1 tsp of the mixture and tossing the rest. You’re getting much less than .25. My wife is an homeopath. Water doses such as this is the basis for using homeopathy

 

[bruschi11]

Got it @hairsuit

lol I should just leave this discussion and cross my fingers for you guys. I can’t even attempt this.. with my luck it will castrate me and I’ve come way too far sexually.

I really hope this works for people. Would be cool.

 

[wuf]

Lol seriously.... everyone going this route should take no more than 0.1. Right?

We only want to micro dose this. I always hated when people say they taper off fin. Half, 1/4 they are all the same- just a super powerful drug.

Gotta go very very low.

I would take a little crumb of a 1mg pill.
Based on experience it is impossible it will work so easily, it would not be called PFS.

 

[Troy]

I would take a little crumb of a 1mg pill.
Based on experience it is impossible it will work so easily, it would not be called PFS.

Don’t take any wuf. It’s too dangerous. It could really fuck people up if it doesn’t work.

 

[wuf]

Don’t take any wuf. It’s too dangerous. It could really fuck people up if it doesn’t work.

No, I would if I decided to, but I didn't decided to))))
I said that for the ones who want to try it.

 

[wuf]

@Helen
could you explaine the reason if our ARs are overexpressed etc.. how is it possible that when I can, I have 100% strong erections?
I mean, if the ARs is overexpressed and doesn't work, how is that possible to have 100%erections?

Plus I wonder if even the hormones balance is an issue, we have so many things to fix:
ARs
Cortisol receptor
Estrogen receptor
Gaba
Hormones imbalance

 

[wuf]

I've got decently high DHT (60), compared to my PFS days (30). But I also have high estrogen, so I'm not quite sure what all that means.

I was thinking about you, how do you feel?

 

[wuf]

Been feeling decently well. Have been busy with work and life in general - planning a wedding! Recently took the GMAT and am heading back to business school in the fall. Scored really well, fuck PFS. Will probably quit my job first of July, so I'll have 6 weeks to de-stress and get right. There are still some lingering issues and I think they are mostly liver related. Wake up around 2:00 AM every morning and have gained ~20 lbs, with the liver causing pain. I think it is having issues processing correctly, but I'm not sure what to do. Tried a liver flush and no stones came out, starting coffee enemas too, but I'm getting to a point where I don't want to consume myself too much anymore.

I think there might be something to this theory, and I wonder if the number of androgen receptors in my liver has increased. @Helen is this possible? The increased liver enzymes and subsequent inflammed liver resulting from increased receptors?

How about you, @wuf ? How are you?

I think you are almost there...
I was on a very high upswim after i quitted my Hidrocortisol, I was 100% some days, but since 3 weeks I felt the signal going down and I am in a big crash now.
I do not know if it it a crash caused by HC, but by the way, since I was on hormones, I really understood we are missing a lot of hormones syntesis as showed from Melcangi's study, no way, and that impact digestion and going on.. since the crash, even my digestion is different, my nerves, everything.

 

[wuf]

It just sucks, there are some days where everything feels fantastic and others, you're like f this. Honestly, the weight is the biggest issue for me. Most everything I've tried for fixing the liver hasn't worked - which is annoying. Enzymes are usually 2-3x over normal limit, except after a weekend of binge drinking, which decreases them. I'm working with a liver doctor, hoping to figure it out but we will see.

I will say, I definitely enjoy life a lot more these days - which is a blessing.

what is your diet? maybe they dipend from that?

 

[wuf]

@Helen
before to jump to any protocol, wouldn't it be more optimal to have a complete DUCTH TEST?
In DUTCH TEST they will tell you everything about hormones and their metabolities, I think we all should have one to understand where we are.
What do you think Helen?
It is expensive, yes, but come on everyone can save little money to get it done.
Does it make sense or it is worthless?

 

[Jaxx]

you take one dose and then take nothing. for a week or 2. and repeat IMO

you dont want to upregulate AR expression again. you want to create DHT spike which will last longer than you were on FIN

may be I am wrong, but that is what I think

Same way peopel got cured from PSSD. if he kept taking dosage not one day, but 2-3-4 it did not work

he took tiny dosage for PSSD then 2 weeks nothing, and keep going like that, until AR density downregulates

Since it downregulates when DHT rises but not a lot. gradually rises.

Thats not totally correct.
1 person got cured with 2-3 days intervals, not weeks.

 

[Shanks]

you take one dose and then take nothing. for a week or 2. and repeat IMO

you dont want to upregulate AR expression again. you want to create DHT spike which will last longer than you were on FIN

may be I am wrong, but that is what I think

Same way peopel got cured from PSSD. if he kept taking dosage not one day, but 2-3-4 it did not work

he took tiny dosage for PSSD then 2 weeks nothing, and keep going like that, until AR density downregulates

Since it downregulates when DHT rises but not a lot. gradually rises.

Mhh interesting.

3 years ago while on PSSD(but didnt knew it) my gf broke up with me and it fucked me up totally.

I was so desperate that i started with Escitalopram again on my own (i had some stuff left).

I dont quite remember it but i think i took 2.5 mg one day and did a pause for maybe 5 days.

Because i only had about 5 x 10 mg left i was forced to only take a small amount and not every day (did that about 2 month)

And i can confirm that my sexual syptomps improved a lot. Then i went to the doc and he described me new Escitalopram and so it came that i took it daily again. After one month i crashed again horrible. And that was where i found SSRI fucked me up..

Last year i tried low dose Escitalopram again but daily and it fucked me up in a few days.

So on my opinion. It could be crucial only to take 1 small dose once or twice a week.

PLZ dont judge me for my stupid desicions i am not proud of it...

 

[hairsuit]

Thats not totally correct.
1 person got cured with 2-3 days intervals, not weeks.

I think the idea is to give our receptors a little longer on the bounce back to get used to normalizing with the increase load of DHT. I think at 2-3 days, we would be keeping DHT suppressed pretty regularly. But then again, as you say, it worked for someone, so......

 

[TubZy]

Absolutely. But you are getting less than .2. That .25mg pill dissolves and you are only taking 1 tsp of the mixture and tossing the rest. You’re getting much less than .25. My wife is an homeopath. Water doses such as this is the basis for using homeopathy

You could do something like dissolving a 1mg pill in 4ml of water and mix it up vigorously. Then each ML of water would contain 0.25mg of fin and then you take way less than that by just keep going down on the amount of water you draw (i.e. 1/2ML of water would contain 0.125mg)

 

[Ocguy]

we don't know that, but he got the supersexuality periods, before crash every time. so we know he was doing it right.

he would take it, then take nothing for 2 weeks, get supersexual period for about a week and crash, and he was doing this over and over and over again.

until the body got used to that supersexual period.


but I guess when AR got downregulated, some things got better, but some things were really bad. Like weak orgasm. watery semen, I mean that is the heart of PFS.


I guess some other systems are also fucked, like gaba, estro system etc.


that is why DHT is not the only thing which is low in CSF in PFS patients.

this is why it is important to have tests before you do something like that, so at least if this works, it could help others.

Otherwise this is all bs. dangerous guessing.




I wish these people tested their DHT or test levels, they might as well had low DHT for all we know.

No joke on the liver issue.. after taking my dose, I got fluid bags under my eyes, and bloat in gut. Shit is poison.. it quickly reminded me why I stopped taking it years ago

I think I'm out until I'm in a better state... the mineral balancing is doing its job, albeit slowly. But at least I know I'm moving forward

my dht is at normal levels btw.. is my body recognizing it? That's a different story

But yea, I don't think I'm ready to be a guinea pig.. I blame the remnants of liquid courage from the night before mixed with some optimism and desperation .)

 

[bruschi11]

It just sucks, there are some days where everything feels fantastic and others, you're like f this. Honestly, the weight is the biggest issue for me. Most everything I've tried for fixing the liver hasn't worked - which is annoying. Enzymes are usually 2-3x over normal limit, except after a weekend of binge drinking, which decreases them. I'm working with a liver doctor, hoping to figure it out but we will see.

I will say, I definitely enjoy life a lot more these days - which is a blessing.

I’d just fast. See what happens man. You’ve been at this for a bit now. I believe my liver and elimination organs are what get fixed from fasting the most.

 

[wuf]

No joke on the liver issue.. after taking my dose, I got fluid bags under my eyes, and bloat in gut. Shit is poison.. it quickly reminded me why I stopped taking it years ago

I think I'm out until I'm in a better state... the mineral balancing is doing its job, albeit slowly. But at least I know I'm moving forward

my dht is at normal levels btw.. is my body recognizing it? That's a different story

But yea, I don't think I'm ready to be a guinea pig.. I blame the remnants of liquid courage from the night before mixed with some optimism and desperation .)

I guess it is not liver but hormonal

 

[bruschi11]

Whatever you’re comfortable with. But there are ways of going about this.

You could start like @Orion did with short fasts like 24-36 hours. Then jump to 3-5 days.

Or you can just jump into longer fasts. Water fast is strongest but you’re relatively healthy you think. Juice might be great for you. Everyone’s different.

I think water is like a different ball game though the detoxing I can just feel it’s really potent.