PFS & Stomach Acid / Gut Issues

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Continuous Heal

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I saw some discussion of low stomach acid in the zinc finger thread, and wanted to get some feedback from others.

Through the course of my struggles with PFS and even dating into the time where I "successfully" used fin, I seem to have had issues with high acid, in that I would feel heartburn, particularly after drinking alcohol.

Around a year ago, things got worse, and I was experiencing ulcer type issues, I tested positive for h pylori, did the antibiotic treatment (got extremely itchy near the end of the treatment), and have since felt even more of this acidity.

I am dosing pepcid extra strength on a twice daily basis these days, and have yet to solve what is going on.

I know not everything can be pinned on PFS, but could there be a connection here?
 
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Continuous Heal said:
I saw some discussion of low stomach acid in the zinc finger thread, and wanted to get some feedback from others.

Through the course of my struggles with PFS and even dating into the time where I "successfully" used fin, I seem to have had issues with high acid, in that I would feel heartburn, particularly after drinking alcohol.

Around a year ago, things got worse, and I was experiencing ulcer type issues, I tested positive for h pylori, did the antibiotic treatment (got extremely itchy near the end of the treatment), and have since felt even more of this acidity.

I am dosing pepcid extra strength on a twice daily basis these days, and have yet to solve what is going on.

I know not everything can be pinned on PFS, but could there be a connection here?
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So, what are you claiming? To have high stomach acid or low?
 
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How much does it burn when it hits your throat? Is the burning intolerable, when you get the reflux is your throat left feeling raw for a day afterwards?
 
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Continuous Heal said:
Its not really acid reflux as much as stomach pain / burning.
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That just sounds like an ulcer. Your stomach lining probably isn't healed from the h. pylori. You may need to keep taking acid suppressants until things fully heal. Takes a while in the stomach. You could try an H2-blocker if you are sick of your current medication, but I would avoid a PPI at all costs.

One of the only things that causes too much acidity for the stomach to handle is a gastrin secreting tumor, which I doubt you have.
 
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mattyb said:
That just sounds like an ulcer. Your stomach lining probably isn't healed from the h. pylori. You may need to keep taking acid suppressants until things fully heal. Takes a while in the stomach. You could try an H2-blocker if you are sick of your current medication, but I would avoid a PPI at all costs.

One of the only things that causes too much acidity for the stomach to handle is a gastrin secreting tumor, which I doubt you have.
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Thanks for this. Pepcid (H2 blocker) is what I have been using successfully. I have an appointment with a gastro, potentially to get scoped. I guess it can take a long time, however I'm easily 6 months since eradication, and a single glass of red wine can make me sick.
 
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Yeah that sounds like gastritis from the h.pylori. It sucks, for sure. But it should just be temporary. Avoid alcohol like the plague because it will always make gastritis worse (it's a cause of gastritis on it's own).

If you want to try something, GHK-Cu (Gbold has been talking this up recently) may be a great option for you to try out. It's potential for treating ulcers and regenerating the stomach lining has been considered (remains untested though).

Keep in mind that when you are healed and go off H2-blockers you will have to go through extra measures to increase stomach acidity back up to normal levels so you can digest protein. You may already be developing some functional protein deficiencies due to the lack of acidity. For this reason, consuming additional EAA supplements (mostly in HCl form) may not be a bad idea either.
 
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This may be of interest. This website has a summary of a study that was not published, just presented at a conference:

Intestinal and Stomach Healing: New Research Using GHK-Copper | The Science of Loren Pickart PhD - NEW Book Now Available: Reverse Skin Aging What Copper Peptides Can Do For You

"An open study of PC1020 (GHK-Cu) rectal solution in treatment of distal inflammatory bowel disease. Levine, Patt, Koren (University of Washington) World Congress of Dermatology, October 1994; Further details presented at 25th Annual Meeting of DDW, Levine, Patt, Koren, Joslin (University of Washington) May 1995

16 patients with refractory inflammatory bowel disease were treated with rectally administered solutions of GHK-Cu.

After the 12 weeks treatment, there was a 60% reduction in severity bas measured by endoscopy, histopathology, and symptoms"

@HerrFisch
 
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HerrFisch said:
My question would be, if you really need Ghk-cu, or could just use glycine histidine lysine and copper.
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Yeah. I would assume the stomach acid would break apart the GHK complex anyway if dosed orally.

There's still like zero literature on how GHK actually forms in vivo though. If we knew that it could help a lot. Could just happen spontaneously, and in that case it would just be a matter of stuffing it's precursors into the system and raising the rate of reactions (increasing metabolism).
 
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mattyb said:
How much does it burn when it hits your throat? Is the burning intolerable, when you get the reflux is your throat left feeling raw for a day afterwards?
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Is this case when there really is too much acid?
 
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Canari said:
Is this case when there really is too much acid?
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Some people get reflux but they get no burning in their throat. In these cases, the problem is not high acidity at all, it's likely an indication that the stomach is not acidic enough. If there's a proper amount of acid in the stomach, refluxing into the esophagus WILL burn the lining of the throat. I find many people diagnosed with GERD actually are the first case, not the second one.
 
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Does anybody know why there could be an acidic taste in the mouth without reflux? No tongue coating or plaque. It’s definitely related to stomach acid in some way.
 
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