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--got me a lot stronger. some water retention from that and 4andro. kept A LOT of strength gains for months and months from both. But not all. --- overall helped motivation a ton. --Definitely caused agitation though. But I'm pretty agitated, baseline (not so much PFS, certainly didn't help that). -- better now. Worth it for a time. Later microdoses also worth it. -- Two to three long cycles can help certain people. --- some it did nothing. --I trained natural always till like 15-17%. Then used ostarine, and later with pfs randro and 4andro, and results from both, more cut, defined, long term. -- I'm sure of it. Considering I didn't workout a year after ostarine (I was sick).
-sexual gain too but on and off. --helped get me back to life, but that was with strict dietary regimens. As well as often tracking calories, micro nutrients, avoiding gluten, milk etc for 6-8months, and alcohol nearly a year. -- and working out nearly daily. --added other stuff too, electrolytes (sometimes only that), choline, sometimes just water fasting, almost always alternate day fasting, cuz I'm cutting (always).
-Also in a way, I'm lucky I responded to those things. Also, I don't think I'd respond nearly strongly enough to those (and a lot of other things would be tougher to stick out), if not for extensive water fasting earlier on in this year. --- Just like anavar, it doesn't help everyone. PCT herbs also continued to make or keep me strong. But intitially last year? it did not. That was pre fasting though. ---Proper PCT, maybe 2 weeks longer than the cycle or even longer, helps too, and is essential.
-Though it has helped a lot. Maybe not cure but get pretty far. Used well in CD's plan. I didn't do that.
-Micro dosing lately did help digestion a lot if it took a hit. --definitely increased mental sex drive (libidio) and a lot of other stuff. took lots of hard work though, using it and not lifting, using carbs properly...etc, it would be a waste of time.
-Side effects, it's not like Dbol or Trenbolone or some harsh steroid.
-sexual gain too but on and off. --helped get me back to life, but that was with strict dietary regimens. As well as often tracking calories, micro nutrients, avoiding gluten, milk etc for 6-8months, and alcohol nearly a year. -- and working out nearly daily. --added other stuff too, electrolytes (sometimes only that), choline, sometimes just water fasting, almost always alternate day fasting, cuz I'm cutting (always).
-Also in a way, I'm lucky I responded to those things. Also, I don't think I'd respond nearly strongly enough to those (and a lot of other things would be tougher to stick out), if not for extensive water fasting earlier on in this year. --- Just like anavar, it doesn't help everyone. PCT herbs also continued to make or keep me strong. But intitially last year? it did not. That was pre fasting though. ---Proper PCT, maybe 2 weeks longer than the cycle or even longer, helps too, and is essential.
-Though it has helped a lot. Maybe not cure but get pretty far. Used well in CD's plan. I didn't do that.
-Micro dosing lately did help digestion a lot if it took a hit. --definitely increased mental sex drive (libidio) and a lot of other stuff. took lots of hard work though, using it and not lifting, using carbs properly...etc, it would be a waste of time.
-Side effects, it's not like Dbol or Trenbolone or some harsh steroid.
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@finpro111 -- I think Swole Source and the Total Male Optimization site are good places to start. I think CD may have a protocol link on here... but I can't find it rite now.
-Hey I just looked at your symptom list. (I was gonna rank things by symptoms but feel completely different, though that's not to say it's always "easy", real life wasn't before Fin either, like career, life, time, money, and other bs like that).
--Now I just mentally track overall (bc there's other health stuff too), and stubborn symptoms.
-But, of your symptoms, literally all have improved, Most are gone or nearly since water fasting, electrolytes, randro/4andro, time, and a lot more. Tei is more direct tho.
-For instance, joint pain was in most fingers toes etc, now just one toe hurts and that's probably bc I broke or dislocated it. Took months and months. Wrist, but that's from overtraining. Literally had pain in lots of my body, felt like arthritis like March to August.
-I'm ethnically and genetically with thick hair and facial hair (at times, not all keep the hair tho, I lost lots too). Facial hair is insane. It was 3-4x shave a week, back to everyday but I take breaks. Easily can shave every 16-20h with a straight. -disposable? Mostly don't even bother (for thick facial hair).
-Water weight, etc gone.
-Sexual effects better, on randro and 4 andro good lasting power, and even with other things like choline, but improves A LOT slower than most other symptoms.
-Thank god, suicidality went away quickly. still had some thoughts here and there, but like one eigth of a second vs like 247.
-I drank like 10-12 shots of vodka a few days ago (which is bad) and woke up with 9/10 e.q.
-Extra fat? I lost 12lb immediately on Fin, gained like 25, lost almost all in water fast, then slowly and slowly the rest of water retn, fat went away. was fat last yr which made me lose my mind.
-I am doing a short water fast but I had tons of ice cream and vodka recently. --- (last year that would likely kill me). ---the first part was dumb and or stress related.
-Anyways, the point is all this shyt can get better.
-And No I don't attribute all of that to R-Andro at all.
-It was difficult for sure i feel you.
-Hey I just looked at your symptom list. (I was gonna rank things by symptoms but feel completely different, though that's not to say it's always "easy", real life wasn't before Fin either, like career, life, time, money, and other bs like that).
--Now I just mentally track overall (bc there's other health stuff too), and stubborn symptoms.
-But, of your symptoms, literally all have improved, Most are gone or nearly since water fasting, electrolytes, randro/4andro, time, and a lot more. Tei is more direct tho.
-For instance, joint pain was in most fingers toes etc, now just one toe hurts and that's probably bc I broke or dislocated it. Took months and months. Wrist, but that's from overtraining. Literally had pain in lots of my body, felt like arthritis like March to August.
-I'm ethnically and genetically with thick hair and facial hair (at times, not all keep the hair tho, I lost lots too). Facial hair is insane. It was 3-4x shave a week, back to everyday but I take breaks. Easily can shave every 16-20h with a straight. -disposable? Mostly don't even bother (for thick facial hair).
-Water weight, etc gone.
-Sexual effects better, on randro and 4 andro good lasting power, and even with other things like choline, but improves A LOT slower than most other symptoms.
-Thank god, suicidality went away quickly. still had some thoughts here and there, but like one eigth of a second vs like 247.
-I drank like 10-12 shots of vodka a few days ago (which is bad) and woke up with 9/10 e.q.
-Extra fat? I lost 12lb immediately on Fin, gained like 25, lost almost all in water fast, then slowly and slowly the rest of water retn, fat went away. was fat last yr which made me lose my mind.
-I am doing a short water fast but I had tons of ice cream and vodka recently. --- (last year that would likely kill me). ---the first part was dumb and or stress related.
-Anyways, the point is all this shyt can get better.
-And No I don't attribute all of that to R-Andro at all.
-It was difficult for sure i feel you.
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NOT BAD. Don't worry. I did 2 cycles and several mini cycles (1-7 days max, more often 2-4 days).
Long cycle, like 7weeks at first, then one which was shorter, gained a lot of LBM. I used 4andro which helped me in the gym and mood a lot (in and outside of PFS).
So R-andro helped me motivated me to go to the gym and so did 4 andro, but* R-Andro pissed me off a LOT. I had to go to the gym, or I was liable to go crazy.
In any case, I rode it out, worth it. Even after water fasting, still have 10-11lb more LBM (plus, once refeed). Pretty crazy, considering I was completely fucked Dec. 2017 even up to like Jan 5th 2018.
4weeks is not that long.
Lifting/playing sports?
(also 4andro is not for everyone and some here have been suppressed badly on it, I am not saying to take it at all --- i personally had to, as it evened out mood a lot, with estrogen and test effects. ALSO: I could not actually exercise really with just R-Andro as either estrogen was really low or it was that suppressive to me --caused major stiffness).
Long cycle, like 7weeks at first, then one which was shorter, gained a lot of LBM. I used 4andro which helped me in the gym and mood a lot (in and outside of PFS).
So R-andro helped me motivated me to go to the gym and so did 4 andro, but* R-Andro pissed me off a LOT. I had to go to the gym, or I was liable to go crazy.
In any case, I rode it out, worth it. Even after water fasting, still have 10-11lb more LBM (plus, once refeed). Pretty crazy, considering I was completely fucked Dec. 2017 even up to like Jan 5th 2018.
4weeks is not that long.
Lifting/playing sports?
(also 4andro is not for everyone and some here have been suppressed badly on it, I am not saying to take it at all --- i personally had to, as it evened out mood a lot, with estrogen and test effects. ALSO: I could not actually exercise really with just R-Andro as either estrogen was really low or it was that suppressive to me --caused major stiffness).
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Relax on hormones- don’t take any. Your focus should be on gut health, tei balancing, exercise. Tei should be huge for you based on what I’ve read from your log so far. Be patient.
Do one thing. Fast for 36 hours once a week with your good diet and exercise until you get tei results back. If you are worn out, relax. Don’t exercise to excess if you are dragging.
Good luck. You can easily get out of this hole you’re in. Stay calm, and be patient. You will get there.
Do one thing. Fast for 36 hours once a week with your good diet and exercise until you get tei results back. If you are worn out, relax. Don’t exercise to excess if you are dragging.
Good luck. You can easily get out of this hole you’re in. Stay calm, and be patient. You will get there.
low neurosteroids like pregnenolone and GABA
same boat here bro. dont worry, we'll make it. just gotta keep pushing everyday and do things that we need to do in order to figure it out and solve