PFS theory

[RebelWithACause]

I checked out their supps. Seem very similar tbh. Sounds like a marketing talk to me.

If I would do it now I would probably create the supps myself like that PSSD guy did in the past. He was on here as well. Lots of salesmen in this sphere.

 

[Fazed22]

I checked out their supps. Seem very similar tbh. Sounds like a marketing talk to me.

If I would do it now I would probably create the supps myself like that PSSD guy did in the past. He was on here as well. Lots of salesmen in this sphere.

Well there are third party practioners who are not associated with Valence and they have come out themselves and said the Valence sups work a lot better and faster. Also there were experienced ARL practitioners who thought they were finished detoxing metals then they go on the Valence Supplements and they start detoxing heavy metals again in their HTMAs.

Not really surprising though that they work better, when the forms of the minerals they use are much more bioavailable than the forms ARL use.

 

[Admiral]

Well there are third party practioners who are not associated with Valence and they have come out themselves and said the Valence sups work a lot better and faster. Also there were experienced ARL practitioners who thought they were finished detoxing metals then they go on the Valence Supplements and they start detoxing heavy metals again in their HTMAs.

Not really surprising though that they work better, when the forms of the minerals they use are much more bioavailable than the forms ARL use.

Do you have a source practitioners are all opting for Valence?

 

[Fazed22]

Do you have a source practitioners are all opting for Valence?

Well Lewis Moon & Luke Pryor (lifelabs), Clark Englebert, some Uk ARL practitioners all switched to valence. Then redox_stasis on instagram also but he is the founder of valence. The Clark Englebert has beef with the founder of Valence yet he is still shouting out the supplements and says they work much better and gets much faster results.

It won't be all practitioners, but a lot of the ARL practitioners I've seen who distanced themself from WIlson are now using Valence. The ARL ones that still work with Wilson probably all use ARL still.

 

[MNK99]

I checked out their supps. Seem very similar tbh. Sounds like a marketing talk to me.

If I would do it now I would probably create the supps myself like that PSSD guy did in the past. He was on here as well. Lots of salesmen in this sphere.

Heath and possibly Swaz. Health made his stuff bc in Poland or somewhere near eastern Europe, he couldn't get them
And swaz made his stuff for electrloyte protocol, or he foraged and purchased things. I think.
I think veg and stuff he just got fresh, he had a huge garden. Swaz got em from diet alone if he didn't make em. Tubzy too in recent times, in his lasting recovery.

I talked to some people that do the Valence Neutraceuticals. I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to sell their product and if it works well.
Maybe learning electron transport chain, krebs cycle, and whatever else, may help people design their own protocol, with diet alone or with their own supplementation (and the cofactors I guess).

Maybe just using testing as a tool and then using their own minerals or diet can help fastest. It isn't for everyone though. Luckily nothing really makes me sick a long time, so I might consider that.

So people are saying that using copper may help whether someone is copper deficient or toxic? I tried copper a bit maybe end of 2018 or in 2019. It was short lived but not too too bad, IIRC.

It is good to have some takes on these alternative ways to balance. And different companies. Maybe Valence and TEI is better than a lot of places. I talked to a practitioner who is licensed to sell Valence and he says of course he is biased, but he likes his methods and that company, but he still has respect for Metals Brah, i.e. Clarke Engelbert.

Someone told me they are making massive inroads in recovery from PFS, using Ayurvedic Medicine. They stay in a hospital in India (not like western hospitals) and focus on Enemas, Fasting, Herbs, Yoga, and Meditation, and Detox. I am sure a lot of it works probably, they are surpassing many with PSSD and quickly. They stay in or around the hospital for weeks to months at a time though. The herbs people use are often Indian, Chinese, or old European, in other treatment frameworks.

Myb Valence and TEI supps are way better than the ARL ones. Seem to work better for most people here (TEI). I don't see how ARL can be so bad for years and years, unless it is a total scam compared to other companies. But maybe, they just do one main thing wrong. Having a good practitioner in your case, @Admiral and for a lot of people is probably better. Even better now and other places can set you up with one. Or the guy I know might be able to help you.

 

[zancek0]

Wasn't one of the big issues Helen had with ARL/TEI the fact that their supps don't contain enough aminos?
Valence doesn't seem to do better on that front. But maybe it doesn't need to... Considering people seem to like them more

 

[MNK99]

Why do people get tests wrong? I mean why do they get Hairtests that are incorrect?
Any time they are taking something hormonal and not waiting 2 weeks (maybe 4 weeks) for a retest?

Why would TEI send someone the wrong supplements?
Testing too soon after a hormonal intervention, after Fasting (pre steadily rebuilding digestion and nervous system)?
Too soon after Ozone or Hydrogen water?
No steady diet and exercise until being on the program?

I just want to avoid mess ups for myself later. I did it right, but maybe I waited 1mo or so until after any supplements
or hormonal medicine (just randro/4andro back then). That ended July 2018 maybe.

Tested ARL in August or Sept and I think I was on TEI supps by October 18. I was just doing electrolyte protocol and such and still eating well and exercising a lot but weaker without randro/4andro.

I am hoping 2 weeks is long enough... if I stick to some hormonal medicine, some dex... and then drop one or both. Maybe if I drop both, wait 2-3 weeks. This is months from now myb.

I think you're right @Zaneck0. I think that is Helen's main complaints with ARL.
I don't know where he says that but in some theory post.

Some good points here:

How much has ARL/TEI helped you?

I haven't been able to start any programs yet but after reading around on this forum for a couple months now I can't seem to decide if ARL or TEI is actually worth doing. Is it a cure at all? Can anyone actually say they are cured from these programs? Everyone still seems to have some sort of...

hackstas.is

 

[bruschi11]

Why do people get tests wrong? I mean why do they get Hairtests that are incorrect?
Any time they are taking something hormonal and not waiting 2 weeks (maybe 4 weeks) for a retest?

Why would TEI send someone the wrong supplements?
Testing too soon after a hormonal intervention, after Fasting (pre steadily rebuilding digestion and nervous system)?
Too soon after Ozone or Hydrogen water?
No steady diet and exercise until being on the program?

I just want to avoid mess ups for myself later. I did it right, but maybe I waited 1mo or so until after any supplements
or hormonal medicine (just randro/4andro back then). That ended July 2018 maybe.

Tested ARL in August or Sept and I think I was on TEI supps by October 18. I was just doing electrolyte protocol and such and still eating well and exercising a lot but weaker without randro/4andro.

I am hoping 2 weeks is long enough... if I stick to some hormonal medicine, some dex... and then drop one or both. Maybe if I drop both, wait 2-3 weeks. This is months from now myb.

I think you're right @Zaneck0. I think that is Helen's main complaints with ARL.
I don't know where he says that but in some theory post.

Some good points here:

How much has ARL/TEI helped you?

I haven't been able to start any programs yet but after reading around on this forum for a couple months now I can't seem to decide if ARL or TEI is actually worth doing. Is it a cure at all? Can anyone actually say they are cured from these programs? Everyone still seems to have some sort of...

hackstas.is

ArL and tei don’t look at hormones, overall iron and cholesterol statuses, simple metabolic panels, b12 and Ceruloplasmin, and so much more evidence that could be used.

They say things like “manganese raises sodium.” Which it can due to farrrr downstream factors. Like raising histidine from carnosine.

They’re good programs. For people that are a little bit messed up. And it depends on the situation.

Sure they can work for PFS. But I think it’s crazy they don’t get everything involved. I think they’re somewhat dated in their approaches. Beck basically said that. We’ve come a long way in last 25 years and they’re kind of stuck in the mid 2000s I’d say.

What I’m noticing with oligoscan is that iodine/ selenium ratio seems to be biggest thing for CFS, people with severe issues. A ratio ARL and TEI can’t even see.

And without looking at hormones. I don’t think you can really give someone a true selenium status. I was showing deficient in htma while I was truly toxic in this stuff smh. Possibly worst nutrient toxicity you can have.

The way I see it is minerals AND hormones govern the body. When these are in place things like FMN, FAD, SOD, and CoA go on point.

And for the record I see b12 (cobalt) as a mineral that truly needs to be seen and taken seriously in both hair and blood.

 

[MNK99]

Sure they can work for PFS. But I think it’s crazy they don’t get everything involved. I think they’re somewhat dated in their approaches. Beck basically said that. We’ve come a long way in last 25 years and they’re kind of stuck in the mid 2000s I’d say.

What I’m noticing with oligoscan is that iodine/ selenium ratio seems to be biggest thing for CFS, people with severe issues. A ratio ARL and TEI can’t even see.

They do seem pretty dated tbh mate.
I will get bloodwork more regularly, HTMA's, oligoscan soon.
Just don't think that I should get em till solidly on test cream for a bit.
And if I wasn't doing that, at least till solidly on carnivore (not 14/16 days or like 18/23 and some being ketovore).

Zero plant foods!! Zero drinks besides water and carbonated water.
Seem to respond to test cream within 3days or so maybe less. But stronger response in 6-7 days. This is yrs after working out, and with a bad diet some of the last 18mo or so.
Carnivore will instill discipline and make me more hopeful to stick out TEI (even tho it was good on day one). Valence seems good too.

I actually thought they were stuck in mid 70s or 80s lol that would be even worse, way worse. It is true bloodwork shows some stuff, different mineral tests show other stuff.

At a minor emergency unit here, there is a Hair testing service somewhere in the building. I am guessing for toxicity (like maybe some chemical or oil job related injuries or poisoning. whatever).
I wonder what they do differently than say TEI. I guess hospitals only test for acute toxicities. Maybe it is for drug overdoses and people on probation/parole too? Idk.

I hate that hospital and even if it was helpful, I wouldn't go there. Some pricks work there. They only care about the junkies outside and are very rude to patients. Will give junkies pain killers and treat law abiding citizens like trash tho. Especially during covid.

You said: "ArL and tei don’t look at hormones, overall iron and cholesterol statuses, simple metabolic panels, b12 and Ceruloplasmin, and so much more evidence that could be used."
But they can crash a lot of things and raise other minerals too rite? Like test should lower potassium. And stuff like that.

It is true there are lots of tests that can be taken. Over time I will get more. I just got a GP, after 4-5yrs (and one was here and there only for ADHD medicine). My last one was in school and gave me fin.
He was good otherwise though. I will get some tests for sure. Whatever's on that start guide in the discord perhaps, I will ask for.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Well Lewis Moon & Luke Pryor (lifelabs), Clark Englebert, some Uk ARL practitioners all switched to valence. Then redox_stasis on instagram also but he is the founder of valence. The Clark Englebert has beef with the founder of Valence yet he is still shouting out the supplements and says they work much better and gets much faster results.

It won't be all practitioners, but a lot of the ARL practitioners I've seen who distanced themself from WIlson are now using Valence. The ARL ones that still work with Wilson probably all use ARL still.

Lewis Moon (which is Lewis Rowlands I assume?) had beef with Dr. Wilson because Dr. Wilson listened to the voices in his head who told him he should be cut off. Lol.
Probably why Lewis switched too. Wouldn't be surprised if they get commission on it.

The supps still work obviously. But it's so stupid to claim "they detox better". Based on what? Feeling? Or they tested this with the hair test. Just sounds like marketing to me. Since most of the ingredients are very similar.

Those dudes definitely helped me when I was sick, their old videos from Deep Healing Space but there's a weird thing about them. E.g. most of them still have issues. A lot of them look bloated and unhealthy. A lot of them have schizoid symptoms or mild magical thinking.

Even when I was sick and not 100% able to see reality clearly I always found these people weird. No hate to them but they really give off the stereotypical "quack" naturopath vibes.

 

[MNK99]

A lot of them look bloated and unhealthy

I agree with you and I think Lewis is a good dude. I heard his falling out story with Dr. Wilson, he is still respectful. The thing is in the UK (or Wales, or Scotland... or wherever he's from), people don't care that much about lifting and vanity. Not as much as Canada, NL, nor the USA, nor most of Italy, France, Germany, Eastern Europe. They aren't as vain there. Some of his videos helped me, believe in the thing, but I think there are for sure ways to make things 2 yrs or 18mo or so, rather than 6-7 yrs. It is rarer for young guys and women to lift weights over there. Beer and stressful/ sick clients?

Gotta be diet and exercise. And trust me I know a lot of docs .. and many aren't the picture of health (many young ones are pretty healthy outwardly). Same with alternative health specialist.
One doesn't need to be too dogmatic though, people can benefit regardless of what their specialist looks like.

They do tend to believe in some of the fantastical, but it does change the way you think (mineral balancing). I noticed that in me. I noticed it in you. I am sure you of course noticed it.
Goose mentioned it changing his perspective too. And Fazed22 says that it made him feel more connected to God.

I can feel that a bit with long long fasting, but most health things...when becoming very optimal beyond belief, I get egotistical and I feel GODLIKE. Maybe 30-40days fasting, you become closer to GOD... but you can become cocky especially in quickly healing from these "incurable diseases". Maybe 80-100days-300days even, is needed for EGO DEATH.

I feel good with a tiny bit of coke zero and some goat cheese. BUT TO feel one with the universe and COWS... on carnivore, it is best to only have salt/fat/meat/water.

I feel more at peace and happy and dance around on day 6-8 with no cheats. Maybe day 90, I will be praying and stuff. I feel less demonic... but I had demonic strength.

We must understand the darkness...but also the light.

We must choose the right path... and become beams of light!! Radiating our energies through the universe. WE MUST HARNESS THE ENERGY OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

OTHERWISE, not only will we as human animals remain imbalanced, but we will not ascend to the better planets. WE WILL NOT BECOME AN INTERSTELLAR SPECIES, unless more of us spread the word.

Maybe we can communicate with other dimensions better, as we become more balanced. I hope it's peaceful and not frightening.

Peace Be Upon You All.

 

[Fazed22]

Lewis Moon (which is Lewis Rowlands I assume?) had beef with Dr. Wilson because Dr. Wilson listened to the voices in his head who told him he should be cut off. Lol.
Probably why Lewis switched too. Wouldn't be surprised if they get commission on it.

The supps still work obviously. But it's so stupid to claim "they detox better". Based on what? Feeling? Or they tested this with the hair test. Just sounds like marketing to me. Since most of the ingredients are very similar.

Those dudes definitely helped me when I was sick, their old videos from Deep Healing Space but there's a weird thing about them. E.g. most of them still have issues. A lot of them look bloated and unhealthy. A lot of them have schizoid symptoms or mild magical thinking.

Even when I was sick and not 100% able to see reality clearly I always found these people weird. No hate to them but they really give off the stereotypical "quack" naturopath vibes.

Yeah I know the reason why this is not new info to me, you're acting like I don't know of this... I was just telling admiral which practitioners use valence. I'm not really a fan of the lewis rowland guy either he is like a normie naturopath and not very professional, I never thought he looks that healthy either.

I mean tbh you seem to make way too many assumptions about the Valence supplements without looking into them much like I have. I've been in the mineral balancing fb groups, RP forum , instagram and I've seen reviews from third party consumers and it is pretty clear that they work a lot better and are way stronger.

Yeah they detox better because for example this cal mag fusion one is giving people huge heavy metal dumps on HTMAs such as alluminium, cadmium lead. The paramin supplement that this cal mag fusion supplement replaced never did that for people, probably because the form of calcium wasn't bioavailable at all

 

[Fazed22]

Conversation with someone on rp forum about cal mag fusion valence supplement.

Them: Not much right now. Literally 90 mg and 45 mg of magnesium oratate. It’s extremely strong. Typically other calcium supplements make me feel like crap. But this type is absorbed into the cell. I have had so much energy lately it’s incredible. It’s almost overwhelming in a good way. Peat is definitely correct about calcium. Plus without getting good quality calcium you absorb a ton of heavy metals. Cadmium, lead, arsenic, etc.

Me: Is that the new cal mag fusion supplement by any chance

Them :Yes. A million times better than anything endomet.

Them : Yea it’s complete night and day from regular calcium supplements from what I experienced. Yea getting enough potassium on top of it is very important

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yeah I know the reason why this is not new info to me, you're acting like I don't know of this... I was just telling admiral which practitioners use valence. I'm not really a fan of the lewis rowland guy either he is like a normie naturopath and not very professional, I never thought he looks that healthy either.

I mean tbh you seem to make way too many assumptions about the Valence supplements without looking into them much like I have. I've been in the mineral balancing fb groups, RP forum , instagram and I've seen reviews from third party consumers and it is pretty clear that they work a lot better and are way stronger.

Yeah they detox better because for example this cal mag fusion one is giving people huge heavy metal dumps on HTMAs such as alluminium, cadmium lead. The paramin supplement that this cal mag fusion supplement replaced never did that for people, probably because the form of calcium wasn't bioavailable at all

The reason I said that information is that these guys are not even to be looked up to results-wise. So why listen to them. I didn't know you knew this stuff.

Also I didn't assume things. I read their website with the ingredients. It's nothing crazy or magical. I've seen many people detox hard on ARL supps (incl. paramin)

Just saying I hate when people hype this shit up as it's the most basic stuff in the world. I assume they earn a good amount of money on it.

If you're getting results from it then that's good of course.

 

[Fazed22]

The reason I said that information is that these guys are not even to be looked up to results-wise. So why listen to them. I didn't know you knew this stuff.

Also I didn't assume things. I read their website with the ingredients. It's nothing crazy or magical. I've seen many people detox hard on ARL supps (incl. paramin)

Just saying I hate when people hype this shit up as it's the most basic stuff in the world. I assume they earn a good amount of money on it.

If you're getting results from it then that's good of course.

I don’t look up to them at all, I do my own thing. Maybe occasionally I watch one of their videos from time to time but yeah I am not religiously following these guys.


The supplements are not meant to be something completely new they are just the ARL formulations upgraded with much more bioavailable mineral forms like mineral orotates and some slight tweaks and additions to the formulas.


It’s not really surprising if more bioavailable forms are being used, that they are achieving much faster results now than the previous ARL supplements. I’ve seen the HTMA test data and they are achieving the same results that would take years on ARL, in a month on valence.


I’ve heard and seen from consumers using the valence who are not affiliated in any way to Valence that the valence supplements work much much better than the ARL endomet ones.


I haven’t tried them myself yet but I will eventually when I have some money to do an order, so I will see how they are for myself.

 

[bruschi11]

I don’t look up to them at all, I do my own thing. Maybe occasionally I watch one of their videos from time to time but yeah I am not religiously following these guys.


The supplements are not meant to be something completely new they are just the ARL formulations upgraded with much more bioavailable mineral forms like mineral orotates and some slight tweaks and additions to the formulas.


It’s not really surprising if more bioavailable forms are being used, that they are achieving much faster results now than the previous ARL supplements. I’ve seen the HTMA test data and they are achieving the same results that would take years on ARL, in a month on valence.


I’ve heard and seen from consumers using the valence who are not affiliated in any way to Valence that the valence supplements work much much better than the ARL endomet ones.


I haven’t tried them myself yet but I will eventually when I have some money to do an order, so I will see how they are for myself.

I can attest this guy does not look up to them at all and does his own thing lol. We chat about this stuff quite often the two of us.

He was the first guy to tell me about oligoscan. Which may end up saving my life.

We need to have philosophical minds regarding these issues in this next generation health world. @fazed is that.

People need to be more like @fazed.

 

[MNK99]

Manu on discord said:

"If you do ARL just stick straight to the program and don't add anything to it. I'm not PFS but I'm on the program for >3 years now and my health improved a lot. But DeepHealingSpace and basically all practitioners are clueless. They think ARL is not up to date and they want to add bioactive vitamins and stuff... they have no clue...
There are difficult times on the program but you have to go through and it changes you... the practitioners change your program if you complain and it becomes useless because that goal of the program is to push you through that difficult stages..."

And RWAC, I guess mostly you disliked TEI? WTF. I had results day one on it. Walker said it helped his PTSD but they string you along, and he regrets spending the time (2 yrs, of course he lived his life still), "going down that rabbithole." We started it at different points in our journey. It was technically the last thing I meant to do, unless I went back to electrolyte protocol, or tried other androgens (plus el prtcl).

I thought only a couple cycles were bad but the rest it helped you?

This is my hesitation on this, because we are all too bioindividual and probably I reacted great to TEI on day one bc I fasted like crazy that year and worked out hardcore and did everything else right.
i.e. TMO and more long run, electrolyte protocol till I got distracted or treatment fatigue kicked in. Like 10-11mo. I will keep TEI as clean as possible It was clean last time. I'll get testing. TEI, Oligoscan, Bloods soon.

Helen: "Homeopathy works but people don't have the patience for it".

Anyways For @Admiral, maybe switch to Valence Neutraceuticals and get a good practitioner, if they seem to suck... ask ppl here and also maybe just stick to TEI.
Or if you're up for it run Marek's protocol, but I don't want to suggest that to people that hormones may be detrimental to. And I know you tried "TRT", but that can mean a lot of different things.

Technically, I am not running marek's full protocol at this moment. Some test cream and var for now. I am sure stuff like this cures faster, but long term mitochondrial and cellular health, fasting, strict diet (macro and micronutrient dense), as well as electrolyte protocol, or even this TEI, are great. For many. As in test cream, Marek's aren't for that many... and TEI is for some... and a strong diet long run will help many.

Maybe that would have cured me fully in 2018 or early 2019 for PFS, for sure then In 2019-2020. o/w TEI or electrolyte protocol would have and then some. And all mental health (pretty much, other stuff I could separately for Trauma and the like). And it would have potentially cured Ihatefin, Tubzy etc earlier. Then again, ev1 is different. And other guys close to recovery (any yr).

EDIT: shortened it from original message, which is last post on my log.

 

[MNK99]

It’s not really surprising if more bioavailable forms are being used, that they are achieving much faster results now than the previous ARL supplements. I’ve seen the HTMA test data and they are achieving the same results that would take years on ARL, in a month on valence.

That is idiotic of ARL. And I am glad I did their test, then TEI's and then only did their supps.
TEI is pretty fast too, no?
Valence being faster, doesn't surprise me.

Maybe with covid/vaccine injuries. and ev1 seeing ads like for KEEPS on youtube, for fin and Accutane... more and more people got sick in a variety of different ways and these guys capitalized on it (good for them, if it helps why not make money?). They capitalized on that market, other alternative health providing companies did too. As did docs into alternative healing. Makes sense.

Maybe ppl max out gains if already pretty healthy with TEI in 12mo and then they can migrate to this other stuff, or forget that... do the testing there + oligoscan and just use Valence as needed.

 

[freyadog]

Speaking of Valence and stuff they are doing an event at htmacollective via youtube. Don't know if its free to watch after the event too.

"Join us for an exciting online event where HTMA practitioners from around the world share their expertise, insights, and unique approaches to Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis (HTMA) and Mineral Balancing. This is a collaborative, open platform—not tied to any specific brand—where professionals can freely discuss topics that matter most to them.

HTMA Online Collective – A Free, Practitioner-Led Event Exploring HTMA & Mineral Balancing

htmacollective.com

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