PINE POLLEN + VITEX (PFS)

[Helen]

This combo could help some people who dont have the ability to get balanced, or who want immediate results.

Pine pollen has hormones in it , but it tanks potassium. Tanking potassium makes your estrogen not work so DHT does not work either. To support potassium while taking pinepollen , one can try to take vitex along with it.

It would be interesting to see how it effects libido and strength at the same time.

 

[Steve]

How does vitex fit in with this, what does it do? Is it just to support potassium? @gbolduev

 

[Helen]

Steve. Everything is explained in the first post. This is not to be taken by people who are trying to get balanced. This is basically a proper steroid cycle.

 

[Admiral]

Thanks Golduev! Not interested for now, obviously, but maybe if all fails and I am out of options

I’ve read a lot on Vitex and they say the dose is very important. You could have opposing effects taking a dose too little/much.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

As a person interested in vitex abilities, info which could be find around web, state that vitex have abilities to decrease prolactin. But some state that it have also abilities to increase prolactine. This demand more research.

 

[Helen]

I dont suggest to take vitex separately , since it will not work for anything.

 

[tanedout]

Might give this a go! I'm currently taking pine pollen as I'm trying to get by baseline up to where I can get onboard with the electrolytes protocol fully. Since starting pine pollen 3-4 days ago I noticed yesterday my sweat now smells musky again and stress levels feel like they're starting to subside a bit, something that has been a real issue recently. If things continue on this path, I'll get some vitex and add this to the mix and see how things go!

 

[tanedout]

After taking pine pollen again for a week or so this is probably the most effective thing for brain fog I've tried. I felt this too in the past, things feel more real, doesn't feel so much like I'm in a dream all the time. Negatives I would say are it seems to result in shrunken junk and last times I got high-e sides like puffy, sensitive nips

 

[aztec]

I am surprised not a single person has tried this combo yet.

 

[Niles]

I am surprised not a single person has tried this combo yet.

Haha, right? Nobody wants to be the guinea pig? *cough* @IHateFin *cough*

 

[Helen]

This is the same as taking progesterone along with testosterone. You need to try it.

 

[wuf]

Haha, right? Nobody wants to be the guinea pig? *cough* @IHateFin *cough*

Nobody tried cause @Helen already figured out it won't stick, so trying it what for?

 

[Helen]

Nobody tried cause @Helen already figured out it won't stick, so trying it what for?

It might stick.

I know some guys are doing really good on test with progesterone.

 

[wuf]

It might stick.

I know some guys are doing really good on test with progesterone.

Do you mean PFS guys?
How many PFS guys do you know?
A Million? LOL

 

[noprop]

It might stick.

I know some guys are doing really good on test with progesterone.

Would it be a protocol (cycling both?) If so, how to cycle? What dosage is to take? THX

 

[RebelWithACause]

Do you mean PFS guys?
How many PFS guys do you know?
A Million? LOL

Willy is doing good. I think he had/has PFS. Nandrolone gave him his libido back.

If the natural route does not fix me 100% within 6 months-12 months I will go on testosterone and nandrolone. Dem gainz bro!

Just kidding. But I am glad there is at least something that can potentially mask the symptoms if nothing else works.

 

[tallglass13]

@Helen, for testosterone, Pine Pollen Is good? for Progesterone, Vitex, but it would be hard to figure out how much progesterone with that. Better off taking real Progesterone 20mg , right. So is Pine Pollen with 20 mg real progesterone good?

 

[tallglass13]

Ive been seeing good results with 400-800 mg Pine Pollen, and 600mg Vitex. however, I don't think I'm getting enough progesterone with that.

 

[TubZy]

Ive been seeing good results with 400-800 mg Pine Pollen, and 600mg Vitex. however, I don't think I'm getting enough progesterone with that.

Interesting, 400-800mg of PP is really low too

 

[tallglass13]

@TubZy, yes you are right. My bottles states to take 4 as serving size. That's 1600mg. I will up the dose. I usually do the minimum first on all herbs and drugs. I'm still seeing libido and erection quality results though. I'm going to have to up the dose of Vitex or progesterone as well too.