Post Accutane - Oily skin

[Orion]

And in case of copper toxicity in the cell. you will need to dump your metabolism to zero for the body to get rid of copper from the cell.

Would the longer fasts down-regulate metabolism to treat any copper toxicity?

If sebum overproduction is related to high histamine, could be a copper deficiency in my case, although in the past eating daily liver did not help skin at all...

 

[Helen]

Would the longer fasts down-regulate metabolism to treat any copper toxicity?

If sebum overproduction is related to high histamine, could be a copper deficiency in my case, although in the past eating daily liver did not help skin at all...

I wrote to you , that it could be both. I am not sure which one yet. I outlined the ways for you to try . for copper deficiency.

Usually progesterone is raised in low metabolism. So when metabolism is low progesterone goes up. May be you can take progesterone and this will cheat the body and dump the copper from the cell. this is in the case of copper toxicity in the cell

 

[Helen]

I will think tomorrow about accutane more. And let you know. it is different from pfs for sure

 

[Orion]

I wrote to you , that it could be both. I am not sure which one yet. I outlined the ways for you to try . for copper deficiency.

Usually progesterone is raised in low metabolism. So when metabolism is low progesterone goes up. May be you can take progesterone and this will cheat the body and dump the copper from the cell. this is in the case of copper toxicity in the cell

Thanks got it, since I tried aminos that raise histamine and got negative results, will test to lower histamine

Raise histamine; Histidine, lysine, and Selenium (maybe Copper too)
Lower Histamine; Copper, Methionine, Potassium, Magnesium and Selenium (case: copper deficiency).

I do have Progesterone, that I can test with later on, if needed to dump copper.

Are zinc carnosine and manganese useful in dumping copper as well?

 

[Orion]

I will think tomorrow about accutane more. And let you know. it is different from pfs for sure

Thanks, would grateful for the added insight.

Skin is still the best its ever been, thanks to the long fast! Just really want it to stick, seeing the oiliness return somewhat, has me dreading that acne is just about to make a come back...

 

[Helen]

Thanks, would grateful for the added insight.

Skin is still the best its ever been, thanks to the long fast! Just really want it to stick, seeing the oiliness return somewhat, has me dreading that acne is just about to make a come back...

Hold on , what are you fighting again? accutane sides or acne? I thought after accutaine acne is gone? no?

 

[Orion]

Hold on , what are you fighting again? accutane sides or acne? I thought after accutaine acne is gone? no?

I am post accutane(two rounds, 10yrs apart), but it never solved my acne, it made it worse each time afterwards, but it does clear acne on it perfectly. Afterwards extremely oily skin, acne(face, neck, back, chest), and hair shedding. No mental or severe libido issues, basically just made my skin worse and worse... which in turn is depressing...

 

[Helen]

Retinoic acid (RA) and triiodothyronine (T3) exert many of their actions by binding to specific nuclear receptors (respectively, RA receptor (RAR) and T3) receptor (TR) belonging to a 'superfamily' of receptors. Some heterologous regulation of these receptors has been shown, and in particular regulation of the maximum binding capacity of TR by either retinol or RA. Now, using hyperthyroidic rats as a model, the effect of RA on binding capacity and on the mRNA levels of TR and RAR was investigated. The results show that the benefit of vitamin A treatment for the hyperthyroidic state, which has been described for a long time, could be the result of a down-heteroregulation of TR by RA, the active metabolite of retinol.

 

[Helen]

So it says here that accutane can downregulate t3 receptors. I guess this is how it slows the metabolism and gets rid of oily stuff. potassium is retained to fight this. then you get off of it. and then your receptors go up and potassium is also high. And you get super high metabolism.

May be this is your case/ How are your temps? do you have high or low progesterone? Also how is your prolactin?

 

[Orion]

So it says here that accutane can downregulate t3 receptors. I guess this is how it slows the metabolism and gets rid of oily stuff. potassium is retained to fight this. then you get off of it. and then your receptors go up and potassium is also high. And you get super high metabolism.

May be this is your case/ How are your temps? do you have high or low progesterone?

My morning waking temp is 98.0C, and during the day I get to 98.4/98.6, so I am not running to not. Pulse is always 78-82 bpm

My hair test from a year ago showed high potassium. I have not tested for progesterone, dont have access to medical labs at the moment.

 

[Helen]

Do you have prolactin sides?

 

[Orion]

Do you have prolactin sides?

Yes gyno issues after the two rounds, and i think prolactin causes oily skin?

 

[Helen]

most likely from prolactin yes.

 

[Helen]

HYPERTHYROIDISM AND HYPERPROLACTINEMIA: IS THERE ANY ASSOCIATION? - PubMed - NCBI


So much for ray peats theory.

it makes sense, since in hyperthyroidism estrogen goes up and prolactin goes up

 

[Orion]

HYPERTHYROIDISM AND HYPERPROLACTINEMIA: IS THERE ANY ASSOCIATION? - PubMed - NCBI


So much for ray peats theory.

it makes sense, since in hyperthyroidism estrogen goes up and prolactin goes up

For me though post accutane rounds temps and pulse were low, gyno and gained fat easily, seems more low metabolism symptoms at the time

Got my temps, pulse up doing the RP approach, with tons of milk and keeping fat and PUFA intake low, but acne persisted.

Doing the long Bruess fast cured all acne symptoms, just not the oiliness completely, which I would like to end once and for all.

 

[jacknap]

I will think tomorrow about accutane more. And let you know. it is different from pfs for sure

not to be a downer but is into accutane persistant sides brain cell apoptosis? I've read that and it's even in the wiki page.

 

[Helen]

For some reason I thought the opposite, went through my notes I save of your posts again, and not sure how I mixed that up...

Ya I will focus on foods with copper, selenium, etc... thanks

If this oil stuff from prolactin. lets try to lower prolactin with active b6 vitamin. Take like 20-50 of it and lets see how you do.

 

[mattyb]

Is the oiliness and acne primarily on the face? Or do you get it on your body as well?

 

[Greg313]

I’ve had oily skin on my face and PE since puberty. Only when I eat less it gets less oily like if I just eat rice and veggies. Ray Peat didn’t do anything for either issue.

I probably have high histamine/histidine

Zn and Mn did seem to thicken my hair

 

[Helen]

I am post accutane(two rounds, 10yrs apart), but it never solved my acne, it made it worse each time afterwards, but it does clear acne on it perfectly. Afterwards extremely oily skin, acne(face, neck, back, chest), and hair shedding. No mental or severe libido issues, basically just made my skin worse and worse... which in turn is depressing...

@mattyb