Protocols quick start guide [requesting help]

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talkingant

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I am trying to summarize the various protocols here for new members to be able to quickly get started. I made an attempt here:

HackStasis PFS/PSSD/PAS Protocols Guide - HackMD

Everyone should be able to edit it. I am requesting help adding info to this page.

The intended audience is non-technical PSSD/PFS/PAS sufferers who are looking to start experimenting with a protocol. If we can help non-technical newcomers get started, we can gather more data on what works and what doesn't.

As we refine the protocols or discover new ones, this page can be updated, so it always has the most current, state of the art protocols.

Only include the popular protocols which have seen success by a few members already.
Each protocol section should begin with a few sentences describing the theory and/or origin of the protocol. Keep it high level.
If there is a forum thread about the protocol, link to it.
If there are many ingredients, make a separate section listing all the ingredients, with dosages and suggested brands if possible.
List the steps in order to perform the protocol, such as when to take the supplements, how long to do it, and what to expect.
Dont go into full detail, keep things very brief and high level. Someone should be able to read and understand how to do the protocol within 5 minutes.
 
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talkingant said:
I am trying to summarize the various protocols here for new members to be able to quickly get started. I made an attempt here:

HackStasis PFS/PSSD/PAS Protocols Guide - HackMD

Everyone should be able to edit it. I am requesting help adding info to this page.

The intended audience is non-technical PSSD/PFS/PAS sufferers who are looking to start experimenting with a protocol. If we can help non-technical newcomers get started, we can gather more data on what works and what doesn't.

As we refine the protocols or discover new ones, this page can be updated, so it always has the most current, state of the art protocols.

Only include the popular protocols which have seen success by a few members already.
Each protocol section should begin with a few sentences describing the theory and/or origin of the protocol. Keep it high level.
If there is a forum thread about the protocol, link to it.
If there are many ingredients, make a separate section listing all the ingredients, with dosages and suggested brands if possible.
List the steps in order to perform the protocol, such as when to take the supplements, how long to do it, and what to expect.
Dont go into full detail, keep things very brief and high level. Someone should be able to read and understand how to do the protocol within 5 minutes.
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Someone was developing a google doc instead as well.... I forget who but it may be worth to sync up with them if they reply to this thread.

You may want buy-in from @Helen as well since this site is external facing and outside of his control

@Go_faster_Sonic it may be worth reading through the link above as it is pretty much step by step
 
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@talkingant man this is great, good work. If we can keep all the stuff hackstatis organised like this in 5 years time there will be a wonderful body of information for anyone new to access.
 
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There is nothing stopping members from copy/pasting posts from this forum to public sites. It is an honors system to not do that. Similarly, it is an honors system to not share the link to the HackMD note with non-members.

Edits can be reversed if needed. I suppose if you are against crowd-sourcing info, you should never read Wikipedia. Anyone who dislikes this effort is free to ignore it.
 
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@supernature Go look at the last few pages of this thread ( Dont understand why people are not using PFS protocol posted in electrolytes thread.). You will see multiple people explaining to a newcomer what to do, effectively derailing the thread from the main topic. This will happen again and again as newcomers ask questions causing older members to repeat information. It is a simple fact that newcomers tend to just ask questions rather than dig through old threads to piece together information. We can either deal with it by summarizing the relevant information in one place, or we can continue to repeat ourselves every time someone asks.
 
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@supernature the HackMD note is not public. You have to know the link to visit it. As long as members of this forum do not share the link with non-members, it is private. Just like as long as members of this forum do not share posts with non-members.
 
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girls/guys/gays stop fighting or i'll cry. again.
@talkingant , i think i am the newcomer you were talking about. i answered to the helen's question in that post, i said that the protocol is not clear etc etc... and then we all finished talking about how to guide me.
@supernature :
1. no, i received different advices (do the cd nuts, no do the arl, no do the tei, no do everything together...);
2. as i just explained, no, the steps are not simple, are not even steps, and i'm not the only one who thinks so;
3. i read that protocol several times! i even took it to my doctor (who was a researcher years ago and he said that is a mess, even for him) and today i gave it to an expert pharmacist, i'm delivering copies because i want to understand it and heal! trust me, in these months i read many scientific studies and i did understand all of them, i read all the cd nuts protocol and is built to be understood, but this one, no.
4. i did not decide to put everything together, i asked you what you think about, since i received mixed adivces.

P.s. again, don't misunderstand me, i'm grateful to what you're doing here
P.p.s. i discovered just now this thread!
p.p.p.s. we/you're going off-thread again.

let's make a big hug and fight together this horrible nightmare. <3
 
Go_faster_Sonic

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talkingant said:
I am trying to summarize the various protocols here for new members to be able to quickly get started. I made an attempt here:

HackStasis PFS/PSSD/PAS Protocols Guide - HackMD

Everyone should be able to edit it. I am requesting help adding info to this page.

The intended audience is non-technical PSSD/PFS/PAS sufferers who are looking to start experimenting with a protocol. If we can help non-technical newcomers get started, we can gather more data on what works and what doesn't.

As we refine the protocols or discover new ones, this page can be updated, so it always has the most current, state of the art protocols.

Only include the popular protocols which have seen success by a few members already.
Each protocol section should begin with a few sentences describing the theory and/or origin of the protocol. Keep it high level.
If there is a forum thread about the protocol, link to it.
If there are many ingredients, make a separate section listing all the ingredients, with dosages and suggested brands if possible.
List the steps in order to perform the protocol, such as when to take the supplements, how long to do it, and what to expect.
Dont go into full detail, keep things very brief and high level. Someone should be able to read and understand how to do the protocol within 5 minutes.
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Good job, it's like a million times better! Thank you!

Didn't you forget to add the specific pfs protocol (the one in which helen talks about napdh, glutathione, bile acids, flushes)? This one
PFS Protocol


Finasteride. binds NADPH. NADPH recycles glutathione. lack of glutathione causes complete close of sugar metabolism. Since glutathione is needed to get rid of hydrogen peroxide and glutathione is needed in glutathione transferase to get rid of toxins and drugs, including finasteride. So finasteride stops its own metabolism and I would assume can even build up.

So you need to increase glutathione transferase and also increase NADPH . glutathione transferase has histidine in it. Also it asks tyrosine to activate the glutathione. ,You can take citrulline with b vitamins, vitamin C and E, eat good fats( butter) and take bile acids. and shilagit , also cysteine selenium histidine. Also you can take SOD components, zinc copper manganese. this will metabolize finasteride out of your body.


Finasteride impairs bile flow, and impairs 5 beta reductase.
5 beta reductase makes your bile acids, without bile acids you will have a build up of cholesterol and malabsorption of fats. and mainly phospholipids and you will have bilirubin stones in your gallbladder which completely blocks all your bile flow.

this will cause deficiency of lipids needed for the brain , sex, fat soluble vitamins etc and you will have very thick blood since cholesterol wont be used and wont be disposed off.

This is why I said to do liver flushes all the time. Also you can take bile acids. chenodeoxycholic acid plus cholic acid. 5 beta reductase makes those . These 2 acids will dilute all your stones and let you absorb all the needed lipids from the diet. After years of fin your gallbladder had zero bile acids, means it is solid green mass with very little bile.

Also you need to eat good fats, plus vitamin Bs, since b vitamins make NADPH and NADP those are needed for 5 alpha and 5 beta reductases. Also you can add vitamin C , since cholesterol is converted down the line into 5 beta reductases by vitamin C and NADPH which fin impairs.

https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formu...=1524070039&sr=8-1&keywords=bile+acid+factors

https://www.amazon.com/Allergy-Rese...70118&sr=8-2&keywords=nt+factor+energy+lipids

And vitamin B vitamins plus vitamin C and vitamine E
Bs ratios. 600 mg of thiamin HCL, 500 mg of B5, 100-200 mg of b6 and 250-500 mg of niacinamide, along with 3-10 mg folate and some B12 to balance out 100 mg of riboflavin.


Plus flush the liver over and over again. This is the problem in PFS

Delta 4-3-oxosteroid 5 beta-reductase deficiency: failure of ursodeoxycholic acid treatment and response to chenodeoxycholic acid plus cholic acid.
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