REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

[Helen]

Some people use RU or Ella and then after 3 days start taking other stuff. I have spoken to some guys who took RU and they are starting to get improvements after 2-3 weeks off of RU. Potassium tanks, and then body starts to retain zinc and all other minerals that it needs. As I said you can take cofactors after RU or a multivitamin.


But people take DHT, inositol all kind of stuff . RU will work very slowly recovery will be 1-2 month. It cant recover overnight

Also beware that we have 2 cases here. And for some Ella will be good for others Ella could be like finasteride.

1) dexamethasone
2) progesterone
3) ella
4) ru
5 )ru with progesterone
6) licorice root

These are the choices.

So far we have seen 2 people recover with Ella and having crazy gains. But they had PSSD. I think it is one of the cases. So be carefull and always have all substances above on hand if you accidentally chose the wrong one.

 

[Jaxx]

Makes sense, what are your thoughts on vitamin sups during or after the trial? I noticed mine has Zinc(5mg), copper, manganese etc as well.
You consider this to affect a clean trial?

 

[Helen]

no that is fine. and needed I rec cofactors after RU

 

[barbaar]

Are they also recommended after Ella? I just started my trial today and was planning on not taking anything else with it at all, but if you recommend anything I might have to change that.

 

[wuf]

Are they also recommended after Ella? I just started my trial today and was planning on not taking anything else with it at all, but if you recommend anything I might have to change that.

Are you a PFS suffer, PSSD or accutane suffer?
Just curiosity.

 

[Snow1]

no that is fine. and needed I rec cofactors after RU

Hi Gbolduev

Great to see you back!

You spoke of Thorne Extra previously, is this all good to take after Ella or RU? If so, would we be taking it for a few weeks or a few months afterwards? Or are you suggesting just a standard multi vitamin?

 

[barbaar]

Are they also recommended after Ella? I just started my trial today and was planning on not taking anything else with it at all, but if you recommend anything I might have to change that.

Are you a PFS suffer, PSSD or accutane suffer?
Just curiosity.

PSSD

 

[wuf]

Are they also recommended after Ella? I just started my trial today and was planning on not taking anything else with it at all, but if you recommend anything I might have to change that.

Are you a PFS suffer, PSSD or accutane suffer?
Just curiosity.

PSSD

Crossed fingers my friend!.. by the way other guys who recovered did not take anything else from what they say.

 

[barbaar]

Are you a PFS suffer, PSSD or accutane suffer?
Just curiosity.

PSSD

Crossed fingers my friend!.. by the way other guys who recovered did not take anything else from what they say.

I'll stick to doing the same then, thanks!

 

[P_stashio]

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[Aleksandr]

Some people use RU or Ella and then after 3 days start taking other stuff. I have spoken to some guys who took RU and they are starting to get improvements after 2-3 weeks off of RU. Potassium tanks, and then body starts to retain zinc and all other minerals that it needs. As I said you can take cofactors after RU or a multivitamin.


But people take DHT, inositol all kind of stuff . RU will work very slowly recovery will be 1-2 month. It cant recover overnight

Also beware that we have 2 cases here. And for some Ella will be good for others Ella could be like finasteride.

1) dexamethasone
2) progesterone
3) ella
4) ru
5 )ru with progesterone
6) licorice root

These are the choices.

So far we have seen 2 people recover with Ella and having crazy gains. But they had PSSD. I think it is one of the cases. So be carefull and always have all substances above on hand if you accidentally chose the wrong one.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to just have a hair test first?
You said licorice root is good for those with high cell sodium - so you can check that in a hair test.
Progesterone is good for those with high cell potassium - you can also check that in hair test.

Better to check first then supplement rather than just randomly supplement one or the other?

 

[IHateFin]

I do not know that much about gyno and then, I do not know if dht is the right choice.
Dht is redusing your gyno, are you feeling something from dht in terms of libido?

Dht can be used cuz it directly can interact with the aromatase enzyme and thus reduce gyno.

When I applied it to my right nipple I didn't get a libido boost, but my dick got pumped full of blood and I had a chub and I played with it a bit and got a good boner like 15 min after applying it.

If what you describe is not a coincidence, it could be a good sign. But I really do not know it so much about this.

Yeah I really hope it's not a coincidence! I would keep using it to see if it keeps happening but I really am trying to run inositol and Randro together as clean as possible.

Only things I take is a Thorne extra pill every three days n trib n tongkat which are herbs I've consistently taken for like years haha

 

[TubZy]

We need to keep [mention]IHateFin[/mention] locked in a cage with no supplements, [mention]gbolduev[/mention] & [mention]mattyb[/mention] only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

 

[Snell1234]

We need to keep @IHateFin locked in a cage with no supplements, @gbolduev & @mattyb only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

Agree.

 

[IHateFin]

We need to keep @IHateFin locked in a cage with no supplements, @gbolduev & @mattyb only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

lol i have too much in my supplement stash man! literally have a vitamin shop in my room haha

 

[Canari]

Some of Ihatefin post and answers are now in his log... Starting form here: http://hackstasis.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20&start=60#p2185

Ok guys ok. Where is a good place to read all the science behind this?
Cheers
Mike

Apart from asking in your log what you do not understand, you can read in the other parts of the forum, what is said about balancing minerals, context etc. You will not find a ready made stuff to read on the web, or else there would not be any problem to come out of any drug...
We all go towards educating ourselves and this forum could be a great place to share the job, and be more organized as stated in this thread.

I think that people going "REALLY DIRTY TRIALS" are just people who had so much hope that they get impatient! And when you refrain, you feel stuck. Then comes indecision, and it is not good for the nerves.

 

[Diesel]

We need to keep @IHateFin locked in a cage with no supplements, @gbolduev & @mattyb only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

lol i have too much in my supplement stash man! literally have a vitamin shop in my room haha

Ihatefin

Let me give you some serious advise, you need to cut back from all these different things that you are putting in your body before you develop more serious side effects that make pfs looks like nothing. You need to try only a few things at a time and pay attention very closely to your body so you can detect any side effects early.


And if you do continue to put all these things in your system, you need to at least keep a accurate log of when you take them and all symtoms you are experiencing at the time. So incase you do develop serious side effects, it will help you to zero in on what may have caused it.

Talking from experience, if something goes wrong you won't have a clue as to what may have caused it. This happened to me and now I wish pfs was the only thing i am dealing with.

 

[IHateFin]

We need to keep @IHateFin locked in a cage with no supplements, @gbolduev & @mattyb only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

lol i have too much in my supplement stash man! literally have a vitamin shop in my room haha

Ihatefin

Let me give you some serious advise, you need to cut back from all these different things that you are putting in your body before you develop more serious side effects that make pfs looks like nothing. You need to try only a few things at a time and pay attention very closely to your body so you can detect any side effects early.


And if you do continue to put all these things in your system, you need to at least keep a accurate log of when you take them and all symtoms you are experiencing at the time. So incase you do develop serious side effects, it will help you to zero in on what may have caused it.

Talking from experience, if something goes wrong you won't have a clue as to what may have caused it. This happened to me and now I wish pfs was the only thing i am dealing with.

I appreciate it, bud.
I am trying to make this as clean as possible for that exact reason you mentioned. it even works for the inverse like if out of nowhere I feel some spurt of improvement I need to know what caused that so I feel you, man. I have gotten a lot better in keeping things simple and to a minimum if I stray.

rn I primarily take my normal supps that I have taken over the years, multi, trib and tongkat and im focusing on Inositol and Randro.

 

[5 alpha]

Some of Ihatefin post and answers are now in his log... Starting form here: http://hackstasis.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20&start=60#p2185

Ok guys ok. Where is a good place to read all the science behind this?
Cheers
Mike

Apart from asking in your log what you do not understand, you can read in the other parts of the forum, what is said about balancing minerals, context etc. You will not find a ready made stuff to read on the web, or else there would not be any problem to come out of any drug...
We all go towards educating ourselves and this forum could be a great place to share the job, and be more organized as stated in this thread.

I think that people going "REALLY DIRTY TRIALS" are just people who had so much hope that they get impatient! And when you refrain, you feel stuck. Then comes indecision, and it is not good for the nerves.

yup! this takes some mental toughness

 

[5 alpha]

We need to keep @IHateFin locked in a cage with no supplements, @gbolduev & @mattyb only feed him by putting food under door, that's it haha jk

lol!!

well he is waiting until 2018 before doing another RU trial. need to give the man credit for that