reversing premature white hair

[aztec]

Greetings to you all. I have been dealing with premature grey hair since age 19. I know there is a genetic component and the environmental one is just as vital. This is another nature vs nurture dilemma. I have researched a little and copper deficiency seems to be a factor in hair turning grey. Pigment cells at the hair root die off quickly with high stress and oxidation occurs leaving hair white. Has anyone had any success reversing white hair? Has anyone tried indian gooseberry or any reliable remedy? I will do a hair tissue analysis soon to conceptualize underlying factors.

http://www.wiseshe.com/2010/04/easy-herbal-remedy-for-premature.html#comments

 

[TubZy]

Greetings to you all. I have been dealing with premature grey hair since age 19. I know there is a genetic component and the environmental one is just as vital. This is another nature vs nurture dilemma. I have researched a little and copper deficiency seems to be a factor in hair turning grey. Pigment cells at the hair root die off quickly with high stress and oxidation occurs leaving hair white. Has anyone had any success reversing white hair? Has anyone tried indian gooseberry or any reliable remedy? I will do a hair tissue analysis soon to conceptualize underlying factors.

http://www.wiseshe.com/2010/04/easy-herbal-remedy-for-premature.html#comments

I don't have grey hair but for me personally high dose MSM, copper, gelatin, biotin have all darkened my hair before.

Also, this is from the Gbol quote thread, not sure if you tried this yet.

20-30 zinc, 10 manganese Zinc manganese will stop hairloss and will reverse grey hair. grey beards.

Mineral metabolism of 19 patients with hair loss was examined. The analysis showed manganese deficiency in all 19. Eighteen patients showed considerable problems with calcium absorption, and twelve patients had problems with their zinc metabolism. Specific nutritional and mineral therapy resulted in improved hair growth after 2-3 months of treatment. [Blaurock-Busch, E. Wichtige Nahrstoffe fur Gesunde Haut und Haare, Kosmetik Internat. 3/87]

 

[aztec]

[mention]TubZy[/mention] thanks pal! I have never tried this before and I have a feeling the minerals will help a lot and will be instrumental for complete healing as well. I appreciate it!

 

[jacknap]

I have premature grey and in my 20s. I'd rather not have it but doesn't bother me much cuz it's 99% black.

havnt paid much attention to it to it because I have bigger problems with my crash but I do think it improved a bit when I added collagen, thorne extra, and liver to my diet...

would love a healthy way to thicken/reverse grey... if I culd freeze myself, I feel physically I was at my best at late 22 (before I started intermittent fasting which as a fast oxidizer I didn't know was stressing my system.)

 

[aztec]

[mention]jacknap[/mention] I am assuming you only have a few white hairs then which is a plus! The human body is a complex labyrinth. I have a lot of white hair sprouting but shave my head. I have a feeling balancing minerals will not only heal our bodies from pfs but also reverse greying hair. I will test my hair and see what my profile looks like. That means I have to let my hair grow at least a half inch to get some decent samples and send them to the lab.

 

[jacknap]

@jacknap I am assuming you only have a few white hairs then which is a plus! The human body is a complex labyrinth. I have a lot of white hair sprouting but shave my head. I have a feeling balancing minerals will not only heal our bodies from pfs but also reverse greying hair. I will test my hair and see what my profile looks like. That means I have to let my hair grow at least a half inch to get some decent samples and send them to the lab.

way more than a few. Maybe 1% mostly the sides. When testing hair we're supposed to stop all herbs/supps though right? cause i'm basically just doing cdnuts protocol. I'm on the look out for guys following gbold route tho and seeing if I can incorporate anything from that since gbold doesn't even think I have pfs...

 

[Aleksandr]

I have premature grey and in my 20s. I'd rather not have it but doesn't bother me much cuz it's 99% black.

havnt paid much attention to it to it because I have bigger problems with my crash but I do think it improved a bit when I added collagen, thorne extra, and liver to my diet...

would love a healthy way to thicken/reverse grey... if I culd freeze myself, I feel physically I was at my best at late 22 (before I started intermittent fasting which as a fast oxidizer I didn't know was stressing my system.)

Thats interesting because you're a fast oxidiser.
Aztec have you done a hair test? In another thread Gbold just said this:


"Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

Look at Morley Robbins, Rick Malter. They all look the same. Very grey hair.And definetely not fast metabolism. Fat with big stomachs. their catalase enzyme does not work properly. Since iron won't work without its cofactors. And ceruloplasmin is just one of them. Another one is PH dependant ALDH, and AO. which is b2 and molybdenum , plus NAD dependant. this enzyme is highly PH dependant. And it is the main problem.

Zinc converts ethanol to acetaldehyde which is broken down by these enzymes. thus zinc sometimes can cause lower iron bioavailability. And thus body is losing zinc to protect these enzymes in case of acetaldehyde overload. This creates low zinc environment and causes cancer. Zinc is needed to raise ceruloplasmin. But it only does that with b2 and molybdenum present.
Thus all these people could not get rid of their grey hair and actually created more oxidative stress to their bodies/

Putting more copper in the cell, by artificially raising ceruloplasmin will increase SOD enzyme. this will increase hypoxia for once and also this will increase SOD enzyme which has hydrogen peroxide as a end product. To neutralize this peroxide you need catalase.( iron based enzyme)

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced. "

 

[aztec]

[mention]jacknap[/mention] yes, we should stop using herbs before getting the test done. Since the half life of herbs is short I would say stop one week at least and then test your hair. Did you use fin the past?

[mention]m_arch[/mention] I have not had a hair test yet and I did see those notes that gbolduev posted which are interesting. I have a feeling this test will shed great insight.

 

[jacknap]

@jacknap yes, we should stop using herbs before getting the test done. Since the half life of herbs is short I would say stop one week at least and then test your hair. Did you use fin the past?

@m_arch I have not had a hair test yet and I did see those notes that gbolduev posted which are interesting. I have a feeling this test will shed great insight.

no i never used fin. just ru58841 (topical anti-androgen that made me crash). my lifestyle also had a few things that lower androgens eg) turmeric, green tea 3x a day, krill oil, kratom

kratom would give me libido issues but would quickly subside. alcohol also gave me libido issues if I went over 5 drinks acutely. but nothing like the way ru58841 fucked me up.

 

[aztec]

[mention]jacknap[/mention] that makes sense man. Dang, it’s crazy how much crap can disrupt our bodies. It’s good that you are self-aware and pay attention to how your body responds to supplements and stimuli. Are you improving well? How long have you taken the Thorne Extra for and what dosage? Thorne contains the cofactors in addition to many other minerals right?

 

[jacknap]

@jacknap that makes sense man. Dang, it’s crazy how much crap can disrupt our bodies. It’s good that you are self-aware and pay attention to how your body responds to supplements and stimuli. Are you improving well? How long have you taken the Thorne Extra for and what dosage? Thorne contains the cofactors in addition to many other minerals right?

I've been improving for sure. I only used thorne for one month post fast but thinking of picking up another bottle with my andro cycle.

I osscillate between 70-90% overall so I say like 80%. Seems that last 20% is the most stubborn for me cause I feel like I've been at this level for a lot longer than my initial gainz.

crashing felt like -10%. Was also stubborn period at 30-40% until I started herbs.

hoping andro smashes the next plateau.

 

[aztec]

[mention]jacknap[/mention] that is a great sign! I hope your r-andro cycle allows you to make new permanent gains! Your healing is going well then. Keep at it and smash through that plateau!

 

[jacknap]

Greetings to you all. I have been dealing with premature grey hair since age 19. I know there is a genetic component and the environmental one is just as vital. This is another nature vs nurture dilemma. I have researched a little and copper deficiency seems to be a factor in hair turning grey. Pigment cells at the hair root die off quickly with high stress and oxidation occurs leaving hair white. Has anyone had any success reversing white hair? Has anyone tried indian gooseberry or any reliable remedy? I will do a hair tissue analysis soon to conceptualize underlying factors.

http://www.wiseshe.com/2010/04/easy-herbal-remedy-for-premature.html#comments

I don't have grey hair but for me personally high dose MSM, copper, gelatin, biotin have all darkened my hair before.

Also, this is from the Gbol quote thread, not sure if you tried this yet.

20-30 zinc, 10 manganese Zinc manganese will stop hairloss and will reverse grey hair. grey beards.

Mineral metabolism of 19 patients with hair loss was examined. The analysis showed manganese deficiency in all 19. Eighteen patients showed considerable problems with calcium absorption, and twelve patients had problems with their zinc metabolism. Specific nutritional and mineral therapy resulted in improved hair growth after 2-3 months of treatment. [Blaurock-Busch, E. Wichtige Nahrstoffe fur Gesunde Haut und Haare, Kosmetik Internat. 3/87]

tubz would this be valid when running andro? like maybe even just running thorne extra whilst on cycle or would that just cancel out the benefits of both?

cuz i now the 20 zinc and 10 mang was a general thing he recommended but he says something completely different for fast oxidizers...

my hair was shedding quite a bit today. tends to correlate with good mood. I'm diffuse thinner but it's still in mpb zones. i don't shed really on the back and sides

 

[Canari]

Is it really possible to reverse white hair when it has been here for a long time? It started in my early 30s.
I am low in copper in the hair test, and normal in blood, even too much copper compared to zinc.

 

[dante]

I am low in copper in the hair test, and normal in blood, even too much copper compared to zinc.

Have you tested your ceruloplasmin ?

 

[Canari]

I am low in copper in the hair test, and normal in blood, even too much copper compared to zinc.

Have you tested your ceruloplasmin ?

Unfortunately, some forum people give incomplete advises, so no ceruloplasmin test, I have done only copper and zinc, and I am not happy, due to the price of testing them.
It is fine as we are only people and do not know it all, but some really write it as surely as a doctor would give you his prescription for the lab! Just a reminder for us guys to be careful, both in giving and accepting advises! It is not easy to distinguish who is really sure and who transmits unchecked info.

 

[aztec]

[mention]Canari[/mention] I am curious to know as well. I believe it is possible but it will take some experimentation with minerals and nutrition. What are you doing to increase your mineral deficiencies?

 

[Canari]

I have no lows in my minerals but only some bad ratios, including not enough copper in hair, compared to zinc. I am taking copper gluconate. Then have to order what they advise, mainly balance my nervous system with glandulars.

 

[Canari]

Magnesium will increase cortisol by putting potassium in the cell. It is the opposite of what Morley Robbins claims.And this actually will cause grey hair since this will put too much pressure on Iron.

If anyone claims that they balanced their oxidation. always look at their hair. If grey. just forget anything that they are saying. Since their oxidation is def not balanced.

But what if they got grey hair from unbalance and THEN re-balance themselves? Isn't the grey going to stay there, at least for a while? How fast does the colour comes back?