RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)

[Chapman]

@Jack17 You still doing good? Are you still on prog at the moment?

 

[djohn051]

Hi....
I would get topical progesterone and make sure it doesn't have any saw palmetto in it. Get Ella online. There are several references on this board. Consider taking (small dose) Ella 5mg or less for 3 days then wait 5 days ( until it's out of your system) and then start progesterone topically 5mg to scrotum ( I know that sounds weird but there's a reason for it.) Do progesterone for 7 - 10 days then stop for 7 days then consider restarting progesterone for 7 days. You can re dose Ella after a couple rounds of Ella. You will have to control Prolactin especially with the Ella. People do that different ways. You can get L dopa online or you can get prescription Selegiline or Caber. Caber is more potent. Good luck.

Thank you very much for this detailed plan. Do I need to worry about dealing with prolactin when taking progesterone? Or only when dosing Ella?

 

[health]

Guys, I've decided to give it a go. Starting ...today.
What would you change?





My current labs:

 

[Jack17]

@Jack17 You still doing good? Are you still on prog at the moment?

I've been doing pretty good for past 2-3 months and had not been taking anything, but last Saturday felt libido decreasing a bit. Not horrible but it was noticeable. So I started progesterone three days ago. I'm going to take for 5 days and stop. From the beginning I thought I would need to keep taking this intermittently for several months as Propecia board talks about it but I hadn't really needed it. So I am kind of bummed that I had the decrease in libido but I expect to bounce back.
Thanks for asking!

 

[bruschi11]

Proviron is essentially DHT correcT? I'd leave that out of the mix.

Also something other than cabergoline that could be used is Mucuna Pruriens (L-dopa) to manage prolactin post/during RU.

 

[noprop]

Proviron is essentially DHT correcT? I'd leave that out of the mix.

Also something other than cabergoline that could be used is Mucuna Pruriens (L-dopa) to manage prolactin post/during RU.

I rhink he wants to follow an idea oft Helen by taking Ru and proviron at the same time by increasing the amount of provi progressively.

 

[djohn051]

Has anyone seen results that persist when off-cycle? Or does it seem like this will be a lifelong protocol?

 

[noprop]

Yeah! You need to wait after a cycle. Sometimes 10 days or more...

 

[health]

Proviron is essentially DHT correcT? I'd leave that out of the mix.

Also something other than cabergoline that could be used is Mucuna Pruriens (L-dopa) to manage prolactin post/during RU.

Yeah, If we simplified it it's DHT. I meant to use it to reduce SHBG and raise free testosterone.

I have L-dopa at hand, but cabergoline gives me 0 sides and lowers prolactine just right.

I rhink he wants to follow an idea oft Helen by taking Ru and proviron at the same time by increasing the amount of provi progressively.

I didn't know that @Helen proposed this combo. Can't find it atm. Could you send me the link where he writes about it?

 

[noprop]

Am afraid, dont have the link.

 

[bruschi11]

I rhink he wants to follow an idea oft Helen by taking Ru and proviron at the same time by increasing the amount of provi progressively.

Ohhh I think I saw that

 

[magnilo]

DHEA will increase estrogen. Testosterone doesn't work. That's the problem. That's why we are all here. The testosterone pathway is messed up.

you mean explicitly in the scenario of PFS? or would this apply also to post accutane issues and pssd?

 

[Admiral]

Don't use DHEA. It's one of the few things that made me worse, although it gave me insane woodies for the first few days.

 

[Kamil]

I was taking ella for 6 days after 5 mg a few months ago and nothing helped. I'm too high for dht and it's too high. My dht is 1466 at the standard of 990. I have too high dheas. My estrogen is normal but at the upper limit of normal. I would like to try this protocol but I am taking antibiotics. I returned to work. I noticed that at the end of my work my head hurts. I have been for 5 days. What can this be because? I have piribedyl and I do not take it because I would like to be free of medicines. Jack17 Is Ella important? Can you try progesterone alone?

 

[snowball]

Hi....
I would get topical progesterone and make sure it doesn't have any saw palmetto in it. Get Ella online. There are several references on this board. Consider taking (small dose) Ella 5mg or less for 3 days then wait 5 days ( until it's out of your system) and then start progesterone topically 5mg to scrotum ( I know that sounds weird but there's a reason for it.) Do progesterone for 7 - 10 days then stop for 7 days then consider restarting progesterone for 7 days. You can re dose Ella after a couple rounds of Ella. You will have to control Prolactin especially with the Ella. People do that different ways. You can get L dopa online or you can get prescription Selegiline or Caber. Caber is more potent. Good luck.

Prolactin control with Ella? I thought it is more important for RU than for Ella.

 

[Jack17]

I was taking ella for 6 days after 5 mg a few months ago and nothing helped. I'm too high for dht and it's too high. My dht is 1466 at the standard of 990. I have too high dheas. My estrogen is normal but at the upper limit of normal. I would like to try this protocol but I am taking antibiotics. I returned to work. I noticed that at the end of my work my head hurts. I have been for 5 days. What can this be because? I have piribedyl and I do not take it because I would like to be free of medicines. Jack17 Is Ella important? Can you try progesterone alone?

Sounds like progesterone is too high. Are taking something to control progesterone??

 

[Jack17]

Prolactin control with Ella? I thought it is more important for RU than for Ella.

It’s important for both

 

[Jack17]

Sounds like progesterone is too high. Are taking something to control progesterone??

I totally get headaches from too much prolactin

 

[Kamil]

Jack, I have not taken progesterone yet. In December I had all hormones tested and my progesterone is too high 1.93 with the norm up to 1.22. Later I researched in February and was 0.19 at the norm to 0.20ng. I had an improvement because I was eating healthily, I ate a lot of beets, but when I took the herbs for Lyme disease, my progress disappeared. I read that progesterone reduces dht and is it good in my case?

 

[Kamil]

I am taking Lyme medication for 6 months and it is better because I can work and the first 4 months I was lying in bed. I have a lot of medicines. Cialis, piribedil, dheas, proviron, progesterone, various vitamins. I want to start but when I'm free of medicines. Well, I think it's better to start after detox? Headache is how much I work. What can I take for a headache? L-dopa?