RU + Progesterone Cycle (PFS, PSSD)

[bruschi11]

I’ve felt like absolute shit each morning due to my fatigue crash from the prog including today since Wednesday. But each morning still I’ve woken up with a strong morning erection.

As day went on yesterday, libido was really outstanding. And I felt good by like 3, 4pm mentally too.

I’ve been doing a zinc finger/gcu aminos combo the last week now with this experiment and it seems to be helping after doses.

Being around some beautiful women yesterday was ummm pretty cool. The libido at times was making me bite my lip.

 

[bruschi11]

All I know is the way boobs look to me now... I mean, I feel like a teenager.

It’ll be worth it guys. Get healthy, possibly cycle this stuff, zinc finger/gcu, aminos. If it was just a 10 hour flash yesterday it was just a flash. But knowing that feeling of libido and urge for woman is attainable just makes everything I’ve done so worth it. And then some.

Yesterday will stand out to me. It will be remembered as a major mini milestone in this feat for absolute recovery of my whole health.

Thank you @gbolduev for these ideas man they are life changing. And uh, penis moving.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 You understand that pot effects opiod system right? If you don't quit smoking pot, it would be very hard to restore anything. Since you can get these effects just from smoking pot. People got PFS from smoking pot. Just letting you know.

 

[brongfogboy]

@bruschi11 @Jack17
I've felt the bounce-back from progesterone use and am not convinced anything significant is happening at all. Any time you suppress anything in the body you will increase your sensitivity to it. So if I suppress free testosterone in the body for three days, then stop suppressing it I will have a sudden burst of torrential energy because the testosterone comes rushing back and hits highly sensitive receptors.

Well, I believe progesterone converts to cortisol and cortisol antagonizes DHEA (this is my belief). So when you take progesterone you are blocking DHEA and thus will have lowered androgens. After you stop progesterone DHEA production kicks back in and hits highly sensitive androgen receptors making you feel "bounce-back" and you feel great. People think this means they are gaining progress; in my opinion it's nothing more than a biological parlor trick, poof you have higher libido and energy for some hours or for a couple of days, but then your receptors normalize and you are back where you started gaining no ground. I first talked about this back in 2012 and have experienced it countless times.

On the other hand this can be used to your advantage to plan for days where you are going out and want to have a good time, suppress and then release for bounce-back. But having a sudden influx of hormones hitting sensitive receptors can cause insensitivity so I wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

I think the "bounce-back" is fools gold, a red-herring, but I still have an open mind to everything because when the bounce back occurs it may present a window of opportunity for other functions to recover.

Having said all this, you may want to experiment with taking DHEA along with progesterone.

 

[Jack17]

I’ve felt like absolute shit each morning due to my fatigue crash from the prog including today since Wednesday. But each morning still I’ve woken up with a strong morning erection.

As day went on yesterday, libido was really outstanding. And I felt good by like 3, 4pm mentally too.

I’ve been doing a zinc finger/gcu aminos combo the last week now with this experiment and it seems to be helping after doses.

Being around some beautiful women yesterday was ummm pretty cool. The libido at times was making me bite my lip.

@bruschi11 @Jack17
I've felt the bounce-back from progesterone use and am not convinced anything significant is happening at all. Any time you suppress anything in the body you will increase your sensitivity to it. So if I suppress free testosterone in the body for three days, then stop suppressing it I will have a sudden burst of torrential energy because the testosterone comes rushing back and hits highly sensitive receptors.

Well, I believe progesterone converts to cortisol and cortisol antagonizes DHEA (this is my belief). So when you take progesterone you are blocking DHEA and thus will have lowered androgens. After you stop progesterone DHEA production kicks back in and hits highly sensitive androgen receptors making you feel "bounce-back" and you feel great. People think this means they are gaining progress; in my opinion it's nothing more than a biological parlor trick, poof you have higher libido and energy for some hours or for a couple of days, but then your receptors normalize and you are back where you started gaining no ground. I first talked about this back in 2012 and have experienced it countless times.

On the other hand this can be used to your advantage to plan for days where you are going out and want to have a good time, suppress and then release for bounce-back. But having a sudden influx of hormones hitting sensitive receptors can cause insensitivity so I wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

I think the "bounce-back" is fools gold, a red-herring, but I still have an open mind to everything because when the bounce back occurs it may present a window of opportunity for other functions to recover.

Having said all this, you may want to experiment with taking DHEA along with progesterone.

I understand your point of view but it may in fact be that the cycling is the way to really normalize the receptors, not normalize to pfs state. Others have been successful doing this so there should be some potential for benefit/success with this process,IMO. And given our current state of dysfunction, feeling normal for even a few days IS something. I’m feeling reasonably good now. Hopefully if enough guys are doing this protocol we can better define the benefit, a possible pathway to follow. It’s well documented in PH, IMO.

 

[brongfogboy]

I understand your point of view but it may in fact be that the cycling is the way to really normalize the receptors, not normalize to pfs state. Others have been successful doing this so there should be some potential for benefit/success with this process,IMO. And given our current state of dysfunction, feeling normal for even a few days IS something. I’m feeling reasonably good now. Hopefully if enough guys are doing this protocol we can better define the benefit, a possible pathway to follow. It’s well documented in PH, IMO.

Definitely, I think biology is far more complicated than people can imagine and everything must be tested.

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 You understand that pot effects opiod system right? If you don't quit smoking pot, it would be very hard to restore anything. Since you can get these effects just from smoking pot. People got PFS from smoking pot. Just letting you know.

I understand @gbolduev and if things aren’t sticking then I know that I need to drop it eventually. Which should be easily attainable when I’m back running, basketball, golf, working out hard again. Still in a little bit of chill mode mending the testicle lol but almost there. The pot is keeping me patient haha.

One thing I must say that made me less concerned about the pot - @Raincoast mentioned that “music and vaping thc” keep him going or something in that respect. We all know raincoast did recover.

He wrote this a few months before his recovery so would be interesting to hear if this was the case until the end.

 

[bruschi11]

@brongfogboy @Jack17

While I doubt this sticks to the degree it has hit me these last two days (libido back and roaring the last several hours), I do see that guys like “light”, “elb”, “beekay” all recovered fully with use of this possible feedback loop.

Maybe it depends on oxidation status amongs many possible outlying factors. For instance, a pathogen could be there munching away at a mineral causing the slightest imbalance allowing pfs to come back.

That’s why I like the hair test for anybody experimenting here. Maybe certain subsets respond to certain treatments. @Jack17 have you considered hair test yet?

Also jack wouldn’t be dumb to start mixing in betaine w/aminos zinc finger/gcu as these really seem to help me.

Lastly, last time i ran RU/prog cycle in December I came off and didn’t get the best bounce back. But it was about two weeks later when I was working with aminos introducing zinc finger that I saw my best sexual gains at the time.

I’m thinking the RU/prog may be just pushing the body in the correct direction allowing everything else we are doing to work more efficiently as well. For instance heightened libido from bone broth, malic acid I noticed yesterday.

 

[Jack17]

Definitely, I think biology is far more complicated than people can imagine and everything must be tested.

Okay, good. I’m glad you’re not opposed to this protocol. Did you track prolactin symptoms and take something to mitigate the rise?? Also if you dont mind me asking, did you try different doses, different durations? Have you considered trying Ru:/Ella?

 

[Jack17]

@brongfogboy @Jack17

While I doubt this sticks to the degree it has hit me these last two days (libido back and roaring the last several hours), I do see that guys like “light”, “elb”, “beekay” all recovered fully with use of this possible feedback loop.

Maybe it depends on oxidation status amongs many possible outlying factors. For instance, a pathogen could be there munching away at a mineral causing the slightest imbalance allowing pfs to come back.

That’s why I like the hair test for anybody experimenting here. Maybe certain subsets respond to certain treatments. @Jack17 have you considered hair test yet?

Also jack wouldn’t be dumb to start mixing in betaine w/aminos zinc finger/gcu as these really seem to help me.

Lastly, last time i ran RU/prog cycle in December I came off and didn’t get the best bounce back. But it was about two weeks later when I was working with aminos introducing zinc finger that I saw my best sexual gains at the time.

I’m thinking the RU/prog may be just pushing the body in the correct direction allowing everything else we are doing to work more efficiently as well. For instance heightened libido from bone broth, malic acid I noticed yesterday.

Haven’t done hair test yet and I know I should. I am taking some of the supplements recommended though, cysteine not histadine. I think creatine helps. I’ll get the Betaine and L dopa. I think nicotinamide is important. Do you think the lack of bounce back in December could have been prolactin related?? I think when testing RU/ Ella you should be off the progesterone for several days and don’t restart progesterone for at least a week, IMO.

 

[Jack17]

@brongfogboy @Jack17

While I doubt this sticks to the degree it has hit me these last two days (libido back and roaring the last several hours), I do see that guys like “light”, “elb”, “beekay” all recovered fully with use of this possible feedback loop.

Maybe it depends on oxidation status amongs many possible outlying factors. For instance, a pathogen could be there munching away at a mineral causing the slightest imbalance allowing pfs to come back.

That’s why I like the hair test for anybody experimenting here. Maybe certain subsets respond to certain treatments. @Jack17 have you considered hair test yet?

Also jack wouldn’t be dumb to start mixing in betaine w/aminos zinc finger/gcu as these really seem to help me.

Lastly, last time i ran RU/prog cycle in December I came off and didn’t get the best bounce back. But it was about two weeks later when I was working with aminos introducing zinc finger that I saw my best sexual gains at the time.

I’m thinking the RU/prog may be just pushing the body in the correct direction allowing everything else we are doing to work more efficiently as well. For instance heightened libido from bone broth, malic acid I noticed yesterday.

Btw what brand of supplements do you get?

 

[bruschi11]

Btw what brand of supplements do you get?

Lol just a mix of stuff really. Best deals on amazon essentially. I know betaine we should Be getting a certain kind. Not currently using the correct one.

 

[Jack17]

Lol just a mix of stuff really. Best deals on amazon essentially. I know betaine we should Be getting a certain kind. Not currently using the correct one.

Are you going to start another progesterone cycle? I was thinking about restarting Tuesday as it would be one week. Thinking maybe low dose and doing on one week. Off one week.

 

[brongfogboy]

Okay, good. I’m glad you’re not opposed to this protocol. Did you track prolactin symptoms and take something to mitigate the rise?? Also if you dont mind me asking, did you try different doses, different durations? Have you considered trying Ru:/Ella?

All for it. As for the prolactin I haven't done anything for it ever because after I ejaculate (which causes a rise in prolactin if I'm not mistaken) I don't think I crash or feel worse, so I never felt the need to treat prolactin. Maybe if you describe what you know/what you've learned about prolactin and how it effects PFS I can start making a conscious effort to really pay attention and see how it affects me.

I've tried different doses: 1mg, 10mg, 20mg, 40mg, 80mg. I've tried 10 days on 3 days off cycles, and I've also gone up to 2-3 months on around 20mg per night. I haven't considered taking RU/Ella, I would only take those things if other people were cured from them.

 

[noprop]

I cycled prog, too. 7-10 days at 10-12 mg a day, break for 2-4 days, da capo. I sleep much better, even 4-5 hours are possible, reading better, memory better, emotions partially back, Libido not feeling like before but it is more normal than several weeks ago, urge to mastrabate several times a day, morning wood sometimes hard like pre pfs I guess even if not having the feeling of pre pfs, that's the shit.
All that ON prog. Sometimes by looking porn I get a boner, impossible several months ago.
But I treated my gut, too. And I did intermittent fasting / fasting. Someone on solve cured his sexual sides that way.

Prog: Maybe the idea of taking it for longer time and reducing the amount carefully could be an idea. Instead of just cycling.
I noticed that my penis got bigger on prog, sometimes the pre pfs state. So, something happened.

 

[bruschi11]

Are you going to start another progesterone cycle? I was thinking about restarting Tuesday as it would be one week. Thinking maybe low dose and doing on one week. Off one week.

Not now. As good as the sexual gains were, the fatigue stuff really beat me up. I gotta work on cleaning my body out of toxins, pathogens, metals, mercury, get oxidation in a better place then go back to this.

I’m hoping to go all in on this health run for the next 6 months then resort back to this in November if I really need it.

Will say, if I see myself start losing sexuality to a strong degree then I might have to change that mindset and run a quick cycle at some point.

We’ll see tho. When healthy and running ZF/gcu and takin care of myself before I got hurt, sexuality wasn’t that bad.
This libido burst was just awesome though.

 

[Jack17]

All for it. As for the prolactin I haven't done anything for it ever because after I ejaculate (which causes a rise in prolactin if I'm not mistaken) I don't think I crash or feel worse, so I never felt the need to treat prolactin. Maybe if you describe what you know/what you've learned about prolactin and how it effects PFS I can start making a conscious effort to really pay attention and see how it affects me.

I've tried different doses: 1mg, 10mg, 20mg, 40mg, 80mg. I've tried 10 days on 3 days off cycles, and I've also gone up to 2-3 months on around 20mg per night. I haven't considered taking RU/Ella, I would only take those things if other people were cured from them.

I think something to control prolactin during progesterone treatment is very important, IMO.

All for it. As for the prolactin I haven't done anything for it ever because after I ejaculate (which causes a rise in prolactin if I'm not mistaken) I don't think I crash or feel worse, so I never felt the need to treat prolactin. Maybe if you describe what you know/what you've learned about prolactin and how it effects PFS I can start making a conscious effort to really pay attention and see how it affects me.

I've tried different doses: 1mg, 10mg, 20mg, 40mg, 80mg. I've tried 10 days on 3 days off cycles, and I've also gone up to 2-3 months on around 20mg per night. I haven't considered taking RU/Ella, I would only take those things if other people were cured from them.

I will get headaches, and premature ejaculation and weak erection (but last one can be pfs.)
The mechanism is unclear but I think many think pfs guys are more sensitive to prolactin. I think typically it's at a normal level when most check their level. It's one of the issues where it can be extremely important to manage in order to recover or unrelated. I know when I have felt even more off, taking Caber for a day helps. But you can suppress too much with Rx's. Some on PH liked Selegiline (old drug thought to benefit parkinson's as it has a positive effect on dopaminergic cells (cells that produce dopamine) and as you probably know,) there is a neg feed back with dopamine and prolactin. Prolactin is also produced in prostate tissue and propecia and avodart of course have their effect in the prostate. There might be a relationship there. Prolactin is supposed to fluctuate also so taking something regularly to control may be bad. I think I am going to try L dopa like Bruschi11. Also, I may be wrong here but I think topical progesterone should be applied to scrotum as not fat tissue to saturate with progesterone when stopping, maybe.

 

[bruschi11]

Yea I really drained myself these last few days. Ejaculated 6 times over weekend (including sex twice last night.) I have issues- I know. Didn't know what to do with myself after the big libido surge Saturday haha and then Sunday morning couldn't fall back to sleep after waking up early. Obviously my old trick got me back to bed. Haven't done that in a long time haha.

Feel like shit from all the ejaculation, 6 pieces of pizza friday lol (gut still getting over this insanity), just a weekend where I did nothing beneficial for my health including a big Easter Dinner, but still have libido today.

Fasting today and just did a sauna/steam room during lunch break which let me feel quite a bit better than I did earlier this morning.

I think the RU beforehand is the reason why Prog is working so well for us now. Getting that L-dopa dose right at night at 1 or 2 capsules was extremely important for this too. I had libido throughout most of this cycle, but dick wasn't working well at all. Adding the l-dopa got it working and started seeing some good night erections, then on 3rd and 4th day libido just improved dramatically with erections.

 

[Jack17]

Yea I really drained myself these last few days. Ejaculated 6 times over weekend (including sex twice last night.) I have issues- I know. Didn't know what to do with myself after the big libido surge Saturday haha and then Sunday morning couldn't fall back to sleep after waking up early. Obviously my old trick got me back to bed. Haven't done that in a long time haha.

Feel like shit from all the ejaculation, 6 pieces of pizza friday lol (gut still getting over this insanity), just a weekend where I did nothing beneficial for my health including a big Easter Dinner, but still have libido today.

Fasting today and just did a sauna/steam room during lunch break which let me feel quite a bit better than I did earlier this morning.

I think the RU beforehand is the reason why Prog is working so well for us now. Getting that L-dopa dose right at night at 1 or 2 capsules was extremely important for this too. I had libido throughout most of this cycle, but dick wasn't working well at all. Adding the l-dopa got it working and started seeing some good night erections, then on 3rd and 4th day libido just improved dramatically with erections.

How much RU and for how many days and how long before did you take RU before you started progesterone? Was this different than your December trial? I think it's important for us to keep good notes about dosing and timing as we could be right on track to improve or completely off base and not sure where we are now. How many times have you done RU and progesterone run?
Thanks!
I think your comments about your experience with L Dopa are important and I was trying to describe this to brongfogboy earler.

 

[bruschi11]

@Jack17 how much is a single RU tablet 200mg right?