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[Goose12]

Luckily my digestion is pretty good and regular now. Especially with the addition of HCL! I’ll try and push through it all and keep going.

I’ve ordered some NAC to see if it can help my liver just in case the raised SHBG is due to something irritating it. I have seen others mentioning cysteine and histidine.
Is cysteine better than NAC or is it the same thing?

You need to stop worrying about pfs and just focus on tei. I know it's hard but you have to have faith in tei and know that it's helping you.

I had almost the exact same symptoms you have and tei is slowly curing me.

I know how bad the anxiety and insomnia is. RU did help me a lot in this area but we are all so different, I can't it good conscious recommend it. There is a possibility it could be a waste of time or make things worse.

Tei will help but it's not always easy.

 

[bruschi11]

Luckily my digestion is pretty good and regular now. Especially with the addition of HCL! I’ll try and push through it all and keep going.

I’ve ordered some NAC to see if it can help my liver just in case the raised SHBG is due to something irritating it. I have seen others mentioning cysteine and histidine.
Is cysteine better than NAC or is it the same thing?

Good stuff. NAC/cysteine I don’t know exact difference.

I really like that you’re doing good with betaine hcl. It was really game changer for me last year. I Used very little amounts of histidine/ serine 500MCG each with meals once I had a system with betaine hcl down.

Strong diet with betaine hcl, follow tei recommenced foods, maybe fast 24-36 hours once a week. Colostrum another immunomodulator I love right now with goat kefir for gut.

If you can’t tolerate tei for more than a couple weeks, just resort to above in non tei times.

 

[Olski69]

Okay so update.

Been on the recommended supps for nearly a full month. Decided I am going to stop at the end of Jan.

TEI has helped with sleep and I think general malaise. I felt a little cleaner and I find the HCL really helps my digestion.

On receiving the NAC I decided I wouldn’t take it till I’d finished this round of TEI. Being impatient I decided to take one tablet after a week. The tablets are 600mg.

The next day I’ve had a better hang than in a long time, im not cold all the time and I feel more vascular. I’ve been having short spurts if libido here and there but they seem to dissipate. I also am getting some pre cum which seems to emerge when I feel slightly better. However, dispite having more blood flow and hanging loose I still can’t get an erection that easily. It seems to come and go.
One thing I have noticed is that when I take the zinc my already weak morning wood seems to disappear. Don’t know why. I have skipped the ZMC on two separate days to check it was the ZMc. I don’t know what this means.

Either way I believe it is the NAC has caused this significant change. How long it will last who knows. I have tried to read up on the whole cysteine/histidine stuff but can’t be sure how that relates to NAC. Is NAC just helping my liver and Nitric oxide?

Can you give any input @Helen?
I really value your opinion.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Stay on the program instead of adding things. It does not matter you feel worse WHILE taking the supplements.

I felt like shit the first cycle then after I stopped the cycle, after 2 weeks I noticed GAINS. Better than before.

So if they give you ZMC you take it even though you lose your erections, libido, etc. You take everything like they give it to you and you do not add your own things.

 

[Olski69]

Good point. I have not been taking it since! I was just intrigued to know a little more about why NAC caused this and what mechanisms it was working on.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Follow Goose his path

 

[Olski69]

Follow Goose his path

Been talking to @Goose12 a lot. He’s been a great help.

 

[Olski69]

Okay so I’ve been on the supps for about 1.5 months now. I did ring up Linda which is the TEI consultant in the U.K. She told me to be properly balanced I would need to be on at least 2-3 months.

I was originally just going to wait till my supps ran out and then wait month then re test. However after speaking to her I decided I would stay on since I was feeling better mentally, energy etc. I had some better flaccid hang which was nice. Erections were still not great but I had some libido which was pleasant.

Anyway, supps ran out so I re ordered some more. I was off them for approx 3 days whilst I waited for the refills to come. In those 3 days I started to feel terrible, old symptoms coming back, tired, bloated.
Now I’ve gone back on the supps I feel even worse. Shrivelled and no blood flow, I’ve noticed a big lump which I believe to be scar tissue. I’ve always had slight curvature which got worse after pfs but no bands or lumps like this. I feel bloated and tired with no W energy, headaches. I feel almost crash level.

For some reason I cannot seem to stabilise. I have changed everything in my life to cross our all variables that could be holding me back. I seem to get some progress then crash again. I do not understand why.

Is this normal with TEI?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Okay so I’ve been on the supps for about 1.5 months now. I did ring up Linda which is the TEI consultant in the U.K. She told me to be properly balanced I would need to be on at least 2-3 months.

I was originally just going to wait till my supps ran out and then wait month then re test. However after speaking to her I decided I would stay on since I was feeling better mentally, energy etc. I had some better flaccid hang which was nice. Erections were still not great but I had some libido which was pleasant.

Anyway, supps ran out so I re ordered some more. I was off them for approx 3 days whilst I waited for the refills to come. In those 3 days I started to feel terrible, old symptoms coming back, tired, bloated.
Now I’ve gone back on the supps I feel even worse. Shrivelled and no blood flow, I’ve noticed a big lump which I believe to be scar tissue. I’ve always had slight curvature which got worse after pfs but no bands or lumps like this. I feel bloated and tired with no W energy, headaches. I feel almost crash level.

For some reason I cannot seem to stabilise. I have changed everything in my life to cross our all variables that could be holding me back. I seem to get some progress then crash again. I do not understand why.

Is this normal with TEI?

Yes

When I quit the supplements it took 2-3 weeks before I felt better. In those 2 weeks my body was still adjusting. You need to put your head in the sand for time you are on the supplements. Ignore your crazy mind. Then you get off it and wait 2 weeks. See how you feel. Then you go to the next cycle. You need to do at least 2 or 3 cycles. Get used to it.

Bottom line, you need to ignore yourself and your mind or you will go crazy. Your mind will talk shit 24/7 in PFS. Do meditation if you have to.

This is not just for the TEI protocol. Every protocol needs to be treated like this because otherwise you will quit every 3 days because your mind is going nuts. You need to stick to something or we will not find out new information.

 

[Goose12]

@RebelWithACause

You explained it perfectly. It takes at least 2 weeks after any protocol you take to stabilize and truly know where you are at.

The 24/7 racing mind is probably the worst pfs symptom we have. It keeps a lot of us from moving forward, but it's one of the easier things to cure.

 

[Helen]

@Goose12 @Boris you explained this perfectly. This is the reason why people do need practitioners. There is NO way people could go thru TEI by themselves

We do have support on this forum, and it is so much easier.

I remember when I did ARL first time. I had this poor Cypriot guy as a practitioner. Man, oh man. I never took any drugs, hormones or minerals in my life before and when I took ARL it was mind changing big time. And I wrote these crazy letters to this cypriot practitioner, being a smart ass and calling him out etc this that that.

I was feeling like I was dying)) it was really bad. mentally especially. then in 2 months I had to drive up to this guy and apologize to him. He was scared shitless of me( mad russian on his back )) and he quit being a practitioner after me. I apologized like 10 times to him. And was so ashamed of shit that I wrote to him ))

I was INSANE)))

Then much later may be in 2 years I had the same happened to me. I rec'd ARL or TEI to some guy, who also went ape shit on me. first 2-3 months

Now that guy is cured from his terrible diseases and he became ARL practitioner himself and feel so much better and he had to apologize to me .

But you should see the letters he was sending me. Funny thing I was not even a practitioner for these companies . I was just helping some people in my spare time.

Practitioners are stupid to be in this business, it pays zero, but you get so much shit from the patients.

 

[Olski69]

Thanks guys.

It was sort of hard to know what to do in many ways I guess.

Usually I’m seeing that people are feeling crap on TEI where as I was feeling better so I was unsure whether that meant I should continue/it was working or whether I should stop. It’s so strange how stopping for a few days did something, don’t feel good going back on the supps.

You told me @Goose12 you did a month on then month off retest? I’m trying to follow what you are doing... should I continue with the supps like the consultant said or shall I stop and retest in a few weeks.

I’ve come to be pretty understanding of this condition in the sense of I don’t panic anymore. It’s more frustration. I’ve got a fiancé and two beautiful kids and I just want to feel well so I can be the best I can be for them. Start enjoying life! And get my sex life back too obviously.

It’s pretty upsetting about the possible peyronies. I am booked in to see a urologist soon. All of my immediate family on my mothers side have dupyutrens contracture which is pretty much the same disease but in the hand. Hoping that it will resolve itself. These past few years I’ve put faith in that other people who got cured reversed it, however with my background im not going to lie I’m Worried it’s going to progress.

All I can say is that I don’t have any milk products anymore other than a bit of butter from time to time. It was mentioned in my hair test to do this also. First hair test I had high calcium, second it has come down. Looking forward to seeing the next one. Hopefully by avoiding a lot of calcium it should stop calcification?

 

[TubZy]

@Goose12 @Boris you explained this perfectly. This is the reason why people do need practitioners. There is NO way people could go thru TEI by themselves

We do have support on this forum, and it is so much easier.

I remember when I did ARL first time. I had this poor Cypriot guy as a practitioner. Man, oh man. I never took any drugs, hormones or minerals in my life before and when I took ARL it was mind changing big time. And I wrote these crazy letters to this cypriot practitioner, being a smart ass and calling him out etc this that that.

I was feeling like I was dying)) it was really bad. mentally especially. then in 2 months I had to drive up to this guy and apologize to him. He was scared shitless of me( mad russian on his back )) and he quit being a practitioner after me. I apologized like 10 times to him. And was so ashamed of shit that I wrote to him ))

I was INSANE)))

Then much later may be in 2 years I had the same happened to me. I rec'd ARL or TEI to some guy, who also went ape shit on me. first 2-3 months

Now that guy is cured from his terrible diseases and he became ARL practitioner himself and feel so much better and he had to apologize to me .

But you should see the letters he was sending me. Funny thing I was not even a practitioner for these companies . I was just helping some people in my spare time.

Practitioners are stupid to be in this business, it pays zero, but you get so much shit from the patients.

We should just have a pract that just handles this forum, but is one of us as well since we all know what to expect in terms of how to feel)). I would do it but I'm not certified. Maybe I'll look into it if getting certified if it isn't too hard to get. You used to be a pract. right? Does TEI actually have to employ you or anyone can do it?

 

[Goose12]

Thanks guys.

It was sort of hard to know what to do in many ways I guess.

Usually I’m seeing that people are feeling crap on TEI where as I was feeling better so I was unsure whether that meant I should continue/it was working or whether I should stop. It’s so strange how stopping for a few days did something, don’t feel good going back on the supps.

You told me @Goose12 you did a month on then month off retest? I’m trying to follow what you are doing... should I continue with the supps like the consultant said or shall I stop and retest in a few weeks.

I’ve come to be pretty understanding of this condition in the sense of I don’t panic anymore. It’s more frustration. I’ve got a fiancé and two beautiful kids and I just want to feel well so I can be the best I can be for them. Start enjoying life! And get my sex life back too obviously.

It’s pretty upsetting about the possible peyronies. I am booked in to see a urologist soon. All of my immediate family on my mothers side have dupyutrens contracture which is pretty much the same disease but in the hand. Hoping that it will resolve itself. These past few years I’ve put faith in that other people who got cured reversed it, however with my background im not going to lie I’m Worried it’s going to progress.

All I can say is that I don’t have any milk products anymore other than a bit of butter from time to time. It was mentioned in my hair test to do this also. First hair test I had high calcium, second it has come down. Looking forward to seeing the next one. Hopefully by avoiding a lot of calcium it should stop calcification?

I did a month on, 2 weeks off, another month on and 2 weeks off while I waited for my retest. I f you can go 3 months on supps and 2 weeks off while you retest would be better. In my case I would get healing crises after a month so I would take a break. The longer you run supps the better.

 

[Olski69]

I just checked in my diary when I started the supplements. I’ve actually been on close to two months. I am going to stop and retest as I just can’t hack it anymore. Like you @Goose12 I need a break.

Wow today first time stopping the supplements I have the worst fucking anxiety. I’m normally not anxious but I feel like it’s completely out of control.

I see what you are saying @Helen . I feel fucking crazy today. Trying to do stuff and remain calm. Not helpful I’ve got a really busy weekend but going to take it slow.

Just a thought, I was going to take a magnesium/Epsom salt bath for the anxiety as found them relaxing in the past but of course, won’t this mess with my hair test results?

 

[Helen]

I just checked in my diary when I started the supplements. I’ve actually been on close to two months. I am going to stop and retest as I just can’t hack it anymore. Like you @Goose12 I need a break.

Wow today first time stopping the supplements I have the worst fucking anxiety. I’m normally not anxious but I feel like it’s completely out of control.

I see what you are saying @Helen . I feel fucking crazy today. Trying to do stuff and remain calm. Not helpful I’ve got a really busy weekend but going to take it slow.

Just a thought, I was going to take a magnesium/Epsom salt bath for the anxiety as found them relaxing in the past but of course, won’t this mess with my hair test results?

may be you are chelating copper. Sometimes when copper goes up in blood, this kind of stuff happens.

When you were on the supplements it was balancing your copper , and now you dropped the supplements your zinc is not going in, and copper is high in blood and you feel anxiety.


you might try vitamin b6 and see if this makes you calmer.

 

[Olski69]

may be you are chelating copper. Sometimes when copper goes up in blood, this kind of stuff happens.

When you were on the supplements it was balancing your copper , and now you dropped the supplements your zinc is not going in, and copper is high in blood and you feel anxiety.


you might try vitamin b6 and see if this makes you calmer.

Thanks @Helen

This actually makes a lot of sense.

I feel like I have some libido and have moments of random horniness coupled with the anxiety.

I have had low e2 issues in the past, a lot of blood tests stated it was very low at the same time as having high shbg. It seems hard to find any info on low e2 and high shbg at the same time.

I am I right in thinking copper Is pro estrogen? Despite the little spurts of libido there is absolutely no change in erections. Feels bazar!

I’ve got some b6 but the active p5p form. Is this okay to take?

 

[tanedout]

Wow today first time stopping the supplements I have the worst fucking anxiety. I’m normally not anxious but I feel like it’s completely out of control.

Try camomile tea and/or ginger tea (just chopped ginger root in hot water). I've found these things help a lot with anxiety. I think potentially due to mast cell stabilisation.

Other things I find help is eating rolled eats a few times per day (just rolled oats cooked in water - I add in raisins and some peanut butter, and sometimes chopped ginger) along with eating an apple after meals. Pretty sure the apple also helps due to mast cell stabilisation (contains quite a lot of quercetin, especially in the skin).

i was having really bad anxiety last year, but these things have got it under control for me pretty much.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Eat some red meat or an egg. Both helpful to bind copper.

 

[Olski69]

Thanks for the tips! Going to try them shortly. Own a juice bar so have plenty of fresh ginger roaming around.

Is it possible I’m having some sort of adrenal issue from coming off the glandulars?