Sexual arousal by dominance and submission in relation to increased reproductive success in the general population.

[RebelWithACause]

Sure, but we're not chimps - our ability to evolve culturally and technology beyond our the evolutionary baggage of our reptile brains is itself a part of our biology: the most advanced frontal lobe of any species on the planet. Even though those ape-like impulses are still there, you can see the power of cultural evolution silencing them in the many different societies around the world. You say that men will always be dominant over women, but we already know this is not the case in societies where it is advantageous for the man to be submissive. There are multiple examples of existing matriarchal and polyandrous societies.

Yes like bonobo society. But do you want to live in bonobo society?

In body language I notice submissiveness from women, even my boss. This shows in limbic level we are not evolved. Our bodies still react to our old limbic system. Even if our brain creates all types of scenarios around it. Unnatural things like laws and modern technology. The core functioning is still the same.

This is why criticise current agenda. I want my sexual strategy to be the dominant one. And I hate to see men being enslaved to weak people. Because the only reason why women are able to climb to power is through covert strategy (pushing a narrative of "unequalism"), laws and men that protect them.

I can guarantee without those laws men/a man would grab power through violence. Most societies had men in power for a reason. Why would I listen to someone/be a slave to someone that pushes their sexual strategy over mine? I do not.

Feminism has always been about pushing women's sexual strategy. And I push male sexual strategy. I do not want to listen to what a woman or women tell me to do.

 

[Niles]

Yes like bonobo society. But do you want to live in bonobo society?

In body language I notice submissiveness from women, even my boss. This shows in limbic level we are not evolved. Our bodies still react to our old limbic system. Even if our brain creates all types of scenarios around it. Unnatural things like laws and modern technology. The core functioning is still the same.

This is why criticise current agenda. I want my sexual strategy to be the dominant one. And I hate to see men being enslaved to weak people. Because the only reason why women are able to climb to power is through covert strategy (pushing a narrative of "unequalism"), laws and men that protect them.

I can guarantee without those laws men/a man would grab power through violence. Most societies had men in power for a reason. Why would I listen to someone/be a slave to someone that pushes their sexual strategy over mine? I do not.

Feminism has always been about pushing women's sexual strategy. And I push male sexual strategy. I do not want to listen to what a woman or women tell me to do.

Not bonobo society, I'm talking about human societies. In these societies human women are dominant, or have multiple husbands. This isn't the kind of society I want to live in, but it is proof that human women do not have to be submissive in order for a society to function properly if their environment demands a shift in traditional power dynamics. Women are likely instinctively submissive towards men in broader Western society because it is behaviorally learned from the day they're born, but if we have modern day examples of healthy societies where women are dominant over men, then who is to say Western culture wouldn't demand a power shift from male-dominant to co-dominant?

 

[raven]

@RebelWithACause: I mostly agree with what you're saying, nice munching on some red pills. Many of your lines really sound like I could have written them. However I think it's also important to not only point out the increased cuckoldness or loss of masculinity if you look at society as a whole, but also that degeneracy is promoted just as much as forced equality among sexes. Transgenderism, Homosexuality, drugs are cool (with drugs I don't mean supplements or minerals, but shit like cocaine and heroine), fuck the police, there's 12378219 genders, one can do what they want without repercussions (like abortion), not to mention white guilt which is a huge problem in the Western world and also correlates with increased cuckoldness. There's also many forms of degeneracy one could call masculine or the opposite of being cucked maybe, such as rape, harassing people for no reason, betraying your girlfriend, fucking the wife of your best buddy. They might benefit you from your biological point of view as you could impregnate this girl and can spread your genes, but it's still fucking degenerate. It also all goes hand in hand with the loss of the traditional family. Children of weird upbringings are more often mentally disturbed and struggle. There was this shooting at a gaming event and surprise, surprise his parents divorced when he was like 12. Many men are pussies definitely, but I don't think masculinity is the only thing one needs to focus on, otherwise we might as well just return to live as primitive people. And even though it sounds cool and exciting, I think being civilized is superior. So I do think the loss of morality is just as big of an issue and the traditional family with defined roles is the best concept.

The loss of masculinity and principle has happened because we are not meant to be living in a capitalist society where we are mindless drones just consuming garbage day after day, we are not meant to be eating like shit or doing zero physical activity. We are social, physical creatures living against our nature and it has made us weak. If these things changed, men would become men again. It has zero to do with the fact that gay people are finally accepted into society. Nothing to do with abortion. The freedom to be able to live a good life regardless of your sexual orientation, the freedom to choose when one has a child, are good things for society.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@RebelWithACause: I mostly agree with what you're saying, nice munching on some red pills. Many of your lines really sound like I could have written them. However I think it's also important to not only point out the increased cuckoldness or loss of masculinity if you look at society as a whole, but also that degeneracy is promoted just as much as forced equality among sexes. Transgenderism, Homosexuality, drugs are cool (with drugs I don't mean supplements or minerals, but shit like cocaine and heroine), fuck the police, there's 12378219 genders, one can do what they want without repercussions (like abortion), not to mention white guilt which is a huge problem in the Western world and also correlates with increased cuckoldness. There's also many forms of degeneracy one could call masculine or the opposite of being cucked maybe, such as rape, harassing people for no reason, betraying your girlfriend, fucking the wife of your best buddy. They might benefit you from your biological point of view as you could impregnate this girl and can spread your genes, but it's still fucking degenerate. It also all goes hand in hand with the loss of the traditional family. Children of weird upbringings are more often mentally disturbed and struggle. There was this shooting at a gaming event and surprise, surprise his parents divorced when he was like 12. Many men are pussies definitely, but I don't think masculinity is the only thing one needs to focus on, otherwise we might as well just return to live as primitive people. And even though it sounds cool and exciting, I think being civilized is superior. So I do think the loss of morality is just as big of an issue and the traditional family with defined roles is the best concept.

I think civilization is great. It gives us ability to be creative and create new things.

I think family is important but not as important as people say. At this point. I think the push for having a family is again from a feminine perspective.

Man's strategy is spreading as much seed as far and wide as possible. IMO. Not necessarily raising a family. But this is debatable.

This is my hypothesis:

I think feminism is the main issue. Crazy I know.

Feminism propaganda makes men weak. You grow up with Disney. Make women your primary goal. Masculinity is not asked from you. You can just be "you" and we will all accept you. That is opposite of masculinity. Masculinity is strength, honor, etc. Masculinity = PROVE YOURSELF. A part of femininity is making people feel part of a group. This is what women used to do. Keep the tribe together. Men are not asked to prove themselves anymore so they don't. They masturbate in a sock and sit on their ass all day.

Feminism is the cause for import of patriarchal cultures (e.g. Islam). Women still want dominant men. So they import them from patriarchal countries. It is mostly men being imported. Especially here in Europe. Funny though because all of these cultures that come here will fall under feminism. I do not think Islam is as big of a threat as people say.

Feminism causes a lot of men to not get a wife at all. There is a lot of men who do not get laid because in "the old times" most men could get a wife as long as they provided. Now woman's sexual strategy is run wild. They all go after the top 20% guys. Because they can. And they won't settle down until 30 or even mid 30's when their fertility is low.

Which brings me to last point. Feminism causes lower birthrates and "infertility".

This has the potential to fuck up your civilisation. Because other cultures will outbreed you.

So just like The Red Pill I advise everybody to aim to become top 20% man.

Not bonobo society, there are human societies. In these societies human women are dominant, and have multiple husbands. This isn't the kind of society I want to live in, but it is proof that human women do not have to be submissive for a society to function properly if their environment demands a shift in power dynamics. Women are likely instinctively submissive towards men in broader Western society because it is behaviorally learned from the day you're born, but if we have modern day examples of healthy societies where women hold more power than men, then who is to say Western culture wouldn't demand a power shift from male-dominant to co-dominant?

I do not think it is learned. I think this is programmed in us. Men are way stronger than women. I can break a woman's neck. A woman cannot do that to me. Which means in a primitive society I would of had more power over them. This is exactly why women developed the covert way of warfare (Machiavellianism). So they can control man to not kill and rape them and get them to do things for them.

Because those societies are focussed on the goal of female sexual strategy and not male. Which means we men lose. And winning is life. Yes it sound stupid and primitive. But I think this is the reality of the world. You win or you lose.

 

[raven]

You already have that without an abortion as a woman. Don't fuck or use a contraception if you don't want one. If you want one, you don't use protection and get fucked. It's pretty simple. I also don't get why abortion is such a woman-focused topic. You don't 'own' the baby anymore than the dad just cause you're the one carrying it. I also disagree that capitalism necessarily causes weak men. Feminism definitely plays a bigger role for example.

Abortion is legal because forcing parents who don't want to raise kids to raise their kids is bad news, for the kids, for society, for everyone. I don't see why it should be illegal at all before 24 weeks. It's the woman who goes through all kinds of drastic hormone changes, it's her body that's being affected, so why should it be anyone elses choice?

Capitalism necessitates our consumer culture, when we are getting bombarded with adverts 24/7 and are told to value the material world above all else just to keep GDP growing, then that necessarily creates weak men, especially as you get further and further developed economies where people need to keep consuming more. To me it's obvious that this is playing the biggest role. If you are a man who is made weak by feminism then frankly in my view you were weak as hell already in the first place.

 

[MNK99]

correct. As a sometimes avid complete capatilist, no one around me... regardless of country is going to make me weak. Decided that a long time ago.
Some socialist aspects. I don't exist in the extremes, the "isms".

 

[Aleksandr]

Sexual arousal by dominance and submission in relation to increased reproductive success in the general population. - PubMed - NCBI

Now compare this study to ,,gender equality'' policy.
Women have to understand that being submissive is increasing their reproductive succes, and they have to understand that gender equality policy is working against them.
This study is important for European politician, who have to understand that no social benefits will fix the fertility rate. Solution is to reverse gender equality.

I think the problem is more birth control isnt it?

In Australia anyway some things have become easier vs other things harder

I imagine 50 years ago it was easier to get a job, buy a house, be religious etc. Now all those things are harder, but in many ways its easier to have sex. Theres no religious pressure to get married first for example, our culture is so sexualised, and we have birthcontrol a stones throw away at the local supermarket. We're also generally less responsible id argue, and having a kid is a lot of responsibility.

If anything we probably have much more sex now, and a much higher percentage of that results in much less children.

 

[MNK99]

What about an underage girl, mentally unstable girl, poor girl, who can't raise a child, or someone who gets raped?? Maybe she can't raise a child. And it's in her and her potential child's best interest not to be born.

And like 9000 variations of the above.

 

[raven]

Who told her to get herself into the position if she's not ready for it? As I said, have some fucking responsibility. Abortion is murder, you're taking away a life at the expanse of your self-perceived interests because your feelings are important. Antinatalism is degenerate, having a baby is the greatest thing imaginable and its sickening to see it going from that to being a burden, just so you can continue living your drugged up live, enjoy being irresponsible, fucking around and probably living off welfare. It's sickening and it's an obvious sign of cultural downfall. It's the father's choice just as much obviously, as he's the father of the child.

Women go through a ton of hormonal changes? Well that's funny, cause birth control pills are a shit ton worse. Girls on them become crazy.

Your criticism of capitalism is inaccurate. Standards of living were in many ways a lot better let's say 30 years ago than it is now. It's not necessary to 'consume more and more'. It's just about being better off on average in the future than now. But that's another topic. But I would say now is the best time to really rise up high. You can teach yourself so much thanks to the internet, you can basically go anywhere you want. You only consume what you want to consume. The question is why do people flee into all sorts of weird products and behaviors?

It's more about our sick culture which causes all this crazy and degenerate consumerism, not capitalism. Family is not important and sick homes are common, you actually get judged if you're religious in many cases in Europe. Social media encourages ugly girls to receive a huge amount of attention, completely screwing their image of themselves. Narcissistic and mentally disturbed 'celebrities' are applauded and celebrated. Bruce Jenner admits he's mentally disturbed and now wears a wig and a dress is a natural hero and is the Woman of the Year. White people are being told to be ashamed of their past, while black people running around, saying racist things is completely fine, criticizing immigration makes you a racist. It's a ridiculous time to live in, you're from London, you should know. Probably one of the most degenerate places.

Your questionable judgement of weak men being weak already makes no sense too. You could also say if having the opportunity to buy a lot of shit makes you weak you were weak in the first place. But it's a bad argument nonetheless.

Standards of living were much better 30 years ago, and capitalism has dragged living standards down. Our consumer culture is required by capitalism in the later stages, it will only get worse because as an economy gets richer, to keep on growing GDP (output and consumption of goods and services) you need to either keep consuming more and more or grow your population size at an exponential rate. This is because if output is not growing then investors will drive money out of your country, because no investor wants to lose return on their money, and net shrinking GDP means that on average an investor is losing money, if investment is falling unemployment naturally rises and investors drive even more money out, because unemployment means less consumers It's a vicious cycle that will eventually lead to your country hitting the floor. This is why recession usually requires massive government spending to prop GDP up, but this just isn't sustainable if you're looking at a long term flaw of your economy.

In India or Poland you can grow the economy by investing in more basic goods and services, people would be consuming more if they could afford the furniture and food you can find in a typical Western home, so capitalism actually works great for a poorer economy like Nigeria or Belarus, you get higher growth rates at little cost to your culture. There is no need to consume frivolous things as the economy starts off very weak.

We may consume what we want to consume, a more minimal amount, but if everyone lived like us the economy would crash. So the reason that people flee to all sorts of weird products and behaviours is because it is essential to our economy for people to be consuming more and more frivolous things. Our sick culture is a direct product of later stage capitalism.

We move away from a growth based economy, start seeing value in family, community, people instead of material goods, then guaranteed the other flaws of society will slowly dissipate. No one is going to care about Kim Kardashian's arse when they are living a meaningful life that doesn't revolve around commodity.

As to abortion, 'killing' a life form that is pretty much a bundle of cells less complicated than an ant is not immoral in my view, and birth control can induce crazy hormonal changes, which is why women should be more careful with them.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

Standards of living were much better 30 years ago, and capitalism has dragged living standards down. Our consumer culture is required by capitalism in the later stages, it will only get worse because as an economy gets richer, to keep on growing GDP (output and consumption of goods and services) you need to either keep consuming more and more or grow your population size at an exponential rate. This is because if output is not growing then investors will drive money out of your country, because no investor wants to lose return on their money, and net shrinking GDP means that on average an investor is losing money, if investment is falling unemployment naturally rises and investors drive even more money out, because unemployment means less consumers It's a vicious cycle that will eventually lead to your country hitting the floor. This is why recession usually requires massive government spending to prop GDP up, but this just isn't sustainable if you're looking at a long term flaw of your economy.

In India or Poland you can grow the economy by investing in more basic goods and services, people would be consuming more if they could afford the furniture and food you can find in a typical Western home, so capitalism actually works great for a poorer economy like Nigeria or Belarus, you get higher growth rates at little cost to your culture. There is no need to consume frivolous things as the economy starts off very weak.

We may consume what we want to consume, a more minimal amount, but if everyone lived like us the economy would crash. So the reason that people flee to all sorts of weird products and behaviours is because it is essential to our economy for people to be consuming more and more frivolous things. Our sick culture is a direct product of later stage capitalism.

We move away from a growth based economy, start seeing value in family, community, people instead of material goods, then guaranteed the other flaws of society will slowly dissipate. No one is going to care about Kim Kardashian's arse when they are living a meaningful life that doesn't revolve around commodity.

As to abortion, 'killing' a life form that is pretty much a bundle of cells less complicated than an ant is not immoral in my view, and birth control can induce crazy hormonal changes, which is why women should be more careful with them.

You are also bundle of cells, just bigger and heavier, probably soon there will be a law that majority in democratic way can vote in order to abort you, beacuse you have PFS.PSSD, or whatever and you are danger for ,,healthy'' society or whatever (dont worry lawyers will found out reason).
Raven imagine that tomorrow you will have meeting with Police, and they will say ,,we need to abort you'''. Will you let them kill yourself without fight ? I think no. Small baby dont have this chance.,,Attitude"" you represent is mother of all totalitarism.

 

[raven]

You are also bundle of cells, just bigger and heavier, probably soon there will be a law that majority in democratic way can vote in order to abort you, beacuse you have PFS.PSSD, or whatever and you are danger for ,,healthy'' society or whatever (dont worry lawyers will found out reason).
Raven imagine that tomorrow you will have meeting with Police, and they will say ,,we need to abort you'''. Will you let them kill yourself without fight ? I think no. Small baby dont have this chance.,,Attitude"" you represent is mother of all totalitarism.

I disagree, we always draw a line somewhere, I am a bundle of cells it is true, but we assign fully formed human beings more value due to their capacity for thoughts, emotions etc. As soon as the brain is developing these functions in a fetus I don't support abortion. I actually believe the limit should be lowered to 20 weeks instead of 24

We don't mourn the loss of every ant, we don't mourn the death of our sperm cells even though they have the potential to bear life. So why should we mourn the loss of a bundle of cells that is less complicated than an ant, which has the potential for life?

 

[Trump_1776]

The loss of masculinity and principle has happened because we are not meant to be living in a capitalist society where we are mindless drones just consuming garbage day after day, we are not meant to be eating like shit or doing zero physical activity. We are social, physical creatures living against our nature and it has made us weak. If these things changed, men would become men again. It has zero to do with the fact that gay people are finally accepted into society. Nothing to do with abortion. The freedom to be able to live a good life regardless of your sexual orientation, the freedom to choose when one has a child, are good things for society.

Lol, yeah the loss of masculinity is due to capitalism.
You cannot make this shit up haha

 

[raven]

Lol, yeah the loss of masculinity is due to capitalism.
You cannot make this shit up haha

Enjoy fighting for masculinity in a world where we are forced to perpetually increase population size of our nations and the amount of crap we consume just to keep the economy growing

 

[RebelWithACause]

Abortion = good for female sexual strategy.

A woman would never abort a child from a guy with good genetics. Because abortion is made to "delete" the offspring from an undesirable guy.

Mistakes happen (oops pregnant). But not as much as you think. Birth control exists for that. To give woman control over with who they get pregnant.

Single moms get pregnant all the time from guys with good genetics and they do not do abortion. If they cannot find a provider they collect money from state and use the state as their provider for their kids.

Read this: Chicks Dig Serial Killers: Extreme Jerkboy Edition

This guy killed more than 100 women and kids, yet this girl (40 years younger) is bearing his child(ren). And she is in love with him. Most guys cannot even get laid or get their wifes to fuck them.

She is not doing abortion.

Serial killers get love letters from women. Hundreds of them.

No not all women dig serial killers. But all of them dig men with characteristics that are close to psychopath/narcissism/dark triad. Criminals, bad boys, etc.

This is how the best genetics survive. A guy with the potential to end other family lines is good genetics in caveman days. We are not evolved at all from our limbic system/basic instincts. No matter how you try to package it. You can put a ribbon on it but it is still the ugly truth. And once you see it. You see it.

Women's nature is darker than you think. Once you realise a lot of things you learned are to serve the female sexual strategy you will wake up and see how you have been conditioned to function FOR the female sexual strategy instead of your own sexual strategy.

Your sexual strategy is: spread your seed far and wide. Get multiple women pregnant. This is why guys in relationships still lust after other women.

But most people will not wake up because they are emotionally invested in their bias. They want to see women in a Disney way. They want their girlfriend to be their soulmate.

This is battle of the sexes.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Also I think traditional conservatives often still believe in ideals of building family, marriage, etc. This is all bullshit. It does not work anymore in this day and age. And even back then a lot of men probably raised someone else's child without knowing it. Marriage is a deal to give every man a wife. But this does not work anymore. Now it is used as a weapon for women to utilise.

The rawest form of male sexual strategy = fuck a lot of women, get them pregnant and invest as little as possible

Look at all those black guys in US with single moms. They all had a dad who chose to go for his own sexual strategy. It is not good for society. But it is good for the dad. He is spreading his seed far and wide. Also it is the mother's responsibility to be able to weed out bad providers, etc. They damn well know that the guy is unstable.

The rawest form of female sexual strategy = get the best genetics and best provider, best would be both in 1 but if needed get seperate provider

Now that the state supports women, they do not need providers as much anymore. So they all chase the highest value men (top 10-20%). The men who would be good provider/dad-types will get left behind. And it will only become more and more.

So make sure you become high value if you value pussy. Or choose to not play the game (MGTOW).

 

[Niles]

@RebelWithACause Damn, this is some bleak dystopian shit, lol. If a loving family is an illusion, then I'll gladly keep living in my Disney movie. The game you're playing doesn't sound fun or fulfilling to me. Even if these generalizations are true, there are still plenty of people who don't fit your representation of life as nothing but male vs. female sexual strategy. My parents have been together for 30yrs, had me and my two sisters, never once yelled at each other, and are best friends. That's what I aspire to, and I don't think it's silly to think that women who want the same thing are out there. I've never been in a committed relationship with a woman with whom I haven't been great friends or has been disloyal.

 

[Trump_1776]

Enjoy fighting for masculinity in a world where we are forced to perpetually increase population size of our nations and the amount of crap we consume just to keep the economy growing

So your solution is to not have kids and to not consume? Capitalism is as masculine as it gets because it encourages competition.

 

[Trump_1776]

Also I think traditional conservatives often still believe in ideals of building family, marriage, etc. This is all bullshit. It does not work anymore in this day and age. And even back then a lot of men probably raised someone else's child without knowing it. Marriage is a deal to give every man a wife. But this does not work anymore. Now it is used as a weapon for women to utilise.

The rawest form of male sexual strategy = fuck a lot of women, get them pregnant and invest as little as possible

Look at all those black guys in US with single moms. They all had a dad who chose to go for his own sexual strategy. It is not good for society. But it is good for the dad. He is spreading his seed far and wide. Also it is the mother's responsibility to be able to weed out bad providers, etc. They damn well know that the guy is unstable.

The rawest form of female sexual strategy = get the best genetics and best provider, best would be both in 1 but if needed get seperate provider

Now that the state supports women, they do not need providers as much anymore. So they all chase the highest value men (top 10-20%). The men who would be good provider/dad-types will get left behind. And it will only become more and more.

So make sure you become high value if you value pussy. Or choose to not play the game (MGTOW).

I understand a lot of what you said, I just disagree that the ideals of building a family and marriage doesn't work. I think it isn't easy, but it certainly still works.

 

[MNK99]

I want to believe.
@Trump_1776 re: what you last said.

"I understand a lot of what you said, I just disagree that the ideals of building a family and marriage doesn't work. I think it isn't easy, but it certainly still works."

I think outside of physically and emotionally abusive families, probably does for a lot. @Niles, that's a good family, man.
I don't really have that outside of narcisstic fam members (basically near all).

I lived w my bro 4-8yrs, we talked like 1.5. I think 4.5 yrs... felt like 35 tho. We usually... get along better now tho.
BUT make money, do well... get along better... i need distance from all to do that. Not bc I'm a jerk... but bc I just F'n better like that. Not even bc I want to be like that, just the way it is. I probably acted (and looked) 22 for yrs... but when on own, no choice but to strive and build that structure. Moved in with him, after effexor xr. Out, before another dx, and finishing another degree (continuation basically and didn't want to, but thought may be useful for future steps). In end ... all school useless.. but of c I knew this.

-My family and similar families THINK and FORCE the idea that w/e works for them... is the only way. THEN become more like me later... and hate on me when dying or winning... so, fuck it all. BUT, you can choose your second family. They aren't all bad, tend to forget that sometimes... same with girls, kind of assume... they are all like other girls from past, but that's obviously not 100% true, all the time.
-I'm really all or nothing and was and am at times fatalistic. Trying not to be.

 

[raven]

So your solution is to not have kids and to not consume? Capitalism is as masculine as it gets because it encourages competition.

Not at all. When did I say that? That is the opposite of what I said, the solution is to have kids and to put value into family instead of material consumption. Consume things that are beneficial to you by all means, just don't think our hyper consumer culture is a good thing, and under capitalism it has to get worse by design to increase ouptut. Solution is to nationalise industry and move away from a system that necessitates growth. Do you honestly think it's sustainable to require perpetual growth of population, consumption and ouput forever? There are far healthier outlets for competition than through working as intensely as possible