Slayo's PFS Log- is recovery possible for me ?

[Slayo]

Received the diet and supps for the first days of refeeding.

I will do 19 days, that taking in account 8 days with accupuncture it is like 26 days (plus all the theraphies i did the first 10 days).

The supps are some homeopatics and mushrooms adapted to my biology.

The doctor is very knowleadgeable and he leatned a lot from russian, infact he does the real iridology test not the bs the naturopaths or nutritionists have done, his test can look at the genetic weakness even 5-6 generations past.

I will break the fast with veggies supps and just one meal a day, this for the first days, later based on foods reactions we will decide what to reintroduce

 

[Slayo]

Today i start eating veggies soup of spinach, celery and other veggies.
Tomorrow besides the broth i will eat small quantities of veggies, even the day after tomorrow, then i will start eating more and nore solid veggies, after a week of just veggies i will add some rice.

I have done 21 days, that taking account the theraphies and accupuncture is like i did 35-40 days in terms of efficacy, wish i didn't stress so much during the fasting as for sure stress decreases the efficacy.

I start also taking the jomeopatics suggested by the doctor, he suggested also mico five that is a mushrooms complex and i noticed it contains REISHI THAT IS A 5AR INIBITHOR.

What to do now, better to avoid it?

 

[Reverse]

Today i start eating veggies soup of spinach, celery and other veggies.
Tomorrow besides the broth i will eat small quantities of veggies, even the day after tomorrow, then i will start eating more and nore solid veggies, after a week of just veggies i will add some rice.

I have done 21 days, that taking account the theraphies and accupuncture is like i did 35-40 days in terms of efficacy, wish i didn't stress so much during the fasting as for sure stress decreases the efficacy.

I start also taking the jomeopatics suggested by the doctor, he suggested also mico five that is a mushrooms complex and i noticed it contains REISHI THAT IS A 5AR INIBITHOR.

What to do now, better to avoid it?

I asked CD in the past and I think he said REISHI wasn't compatible with alot of pfs guys.

Also, it seems to be a staple of Asian medicine and possibly food. 5 AR inhibition is prevelant. The issue with that is most asian aren't known for high physical ranking.

That's my take...

 

[Slayo]

this is day 6 post fast, and i don't notice any result.

i Thought at least deidrathathion and electrolytes imbalance was fixed but today i had a bowel movement and it immediately triggered deidrathathion and electrolytes imbalance like pre fast, so i didn't have it during the fast because i wasn't having bowel movements so i was sparing electrolytes, not because it was magically fixing it.

This is absolute hell, i tried everything and even this 21 days fasting (that is like 35-40 because of all the theraphies i did) failed, maybe it failed because i was very stressed, fearful, etc during all the fast so all the negative emotions blocked any gains ? Who knows, but what i think even with the worst mindset it should have worked because the way i did it should have been very powerfull.

I don't think there is anymore hope for me, so no reason for me to stay anymore here.

Good luck to everyone about recovery and i hope your story will have a different end than mine.

 

[Admiral]

Sorry to hear that, Slayo.

How long have you tried TEI?

What about trying out stilts? T + prog for example?

 

[bruschi11]

Sorry to hear that, Slayo.

How long have you tried TEI?

What about trying out stilts? T + prog for example?

It’s his gut man. He can’t handle anything. Those just aren’t gonna help him right now as he tried TEI for two months.

My idea is urine and balancing TH1/th2... as selfhacked dude Joe Cohen says, your reactions to food shows if there is issue with immune system.

Clearly that is your biggest problem. Balancing TH1/th2 after fast worked wonders for me. Start with urine and then move to herbs for that.

Slayo you can’t quit man. You’re just getting started with the fast... your body will be open to change now even if it hasn’t hit That change yet.

 

[MNK99]

--This isn't super helpful. However, I don't think a negative mindset is what hindered gains. I wasn't exactly super optimistic in failed or even successful attempts at fasting. Even if I was 5-10% of who I was during like day 18-21... That's still missing like 90%. Far and away it was better than not cleansing and juice feasting (because that would be like 1-2%). Maybe I was 20%, who knows, but it got a lot better in the coming 6 weeks, upon refeeding. --Only later could I actually cry(probably later) feel anger, etc. I smirked a couple times during fasting and jumped around a bit (hyper again, a tiny bit but not like my norm which happened a lot later). --I was definitely no longer severely depressed tho. And that is bigger, than feeling optimistic. Either during or soon after.
-I have bad memory problems, and I think I was more optimistic towards the end but that feeling waned... and it waned less and less over time. Still there sometimes, but
-we've both overcome tons of obstacles, so you know it's a long road.
--Probably wanted to give up many times myself. Not just in pfs. Initially because that was just another horrible thing, but we can't think like that.


-I mean I was optimistic right after, when I felt way way better, but building up emotions, self belief, and all that... took longer.
--I think at the very least, (and even before this), you've shown you have what it takes. We need to just find what's blocking your progress.
--I'm not being dismissive and it's easy for someone else to say it, but there has to be a way. Somehow someway.
--I'm sorry bro. --Possibly major changes can happen in coming weeks and months, putting you into a far better state. Rebuilding immunity, digestion, electrolytes...
--What I am trying to say is, basically just the fast itself takes time to recover from, and you're results end of fixing the fast/ refeed, can be far better than you could imagine. it's possible. --especially with the correct for your case, steps taken.

 

[Helen]

It’s his gut man. He can’t handle anything. Those just aren’t gonna help him right now as he tried TEI for two months.

My idea is urine and balancing TH1/th2... as selfhacked dude Joe Cohen says, your reactions to food shows if there is issue with immune system.

Clearly that is your biggest problem. Balancing TH1/th2 after fast worked wonders for me. Start with urine and then move to herbs for that.

Slayo you can’t quit man. You’re just getting started with the fast... your body will be open to change now even if it hasn’t hit That change yet.

to balance th1 th2, you need to balance the WHOLE system))

since to balance th1 th2 it is glutathione and cortisol systems

and histamine regulation,


saying or it is just th1 th2 is like oh you just have PFS.


Bruschi , deep healing will be with someone thing TEI. all other stuff , gut, etc, is worthless IMO, it is the outcome of the imbalances.

Herbs are the minerals. and vitamins.

I did that for years with zero effect.

Urine balances you since as I told you if you have lyme , you have activated arginase, and URINE stops that activation.


2 months on TEI is JOKE, and should not be even attemped at ))

Especially as I told Slayo that most likely he has a wrong hairtest from taking electrolytes.

 

[Helen]

People who try TEI for 1 round, please dont even DO it. you just WASTE money, and also you confuse other people. These programs dont work this way.

 

[Helen]

@Slayo I post the bloods test for folate and b12 metabolism for PFS people

as we can see from those, that people have zero folates, zero vitamin b12, , zero methylation, zero SaMe,

thus problems with adrenaline, problems with histamine overactivation, and problems with methylation


Thus without methylation, they cant methylate carnitine, To make carnitine you need to methylation of the lysine. but you cant, thus no delivery of fats for burning. thus people feel better on carnitine ( some people)) it has nothing to do with any receptors))
allergies, histamine reactions to mold to all other stuff,

no kynurine pathway.

probably bad breakdown of histidine, lack of glutamate.



This is all connected.


I think you need to try this path. if you dont want to do TEI.


fasting aint fixing this.

 

[bruschi11]

On that point about Carnitine @Helen , I’m doing very well in terms of tei type balancing and Lyme antibiotics toleration with injectable L-Carnitine. Think it is hugeeee for me in opening detox pathways.

I’m currently taking antibiotics that make me herx like crazy twice a day. Taking methylation supplements in morning noon, minerals zinc, manganese, molybdnum at night.

Tolerating it all pretty well. The herx is more of a “detox herx” that is smooth rather than the brutal brain pressure I normally get. Gut is moving well, with good but not incredible diet.

I attribute both Carnitine and TH1/th2 as to why I’m able to handle this stuff. Amongst diet, good fats.

Maybe an idea for those having hard time tolerating them tei would be to pump up Carnitine artificially a bit. What do you think?

Probably not case for slayo. He doesn’t react to anything... other than badly to foods. Like he doesn’t feel TEI any type of detox which is mind boggling.

I think his detox organs aren’t holding him back at all with this being case. And there’s just an internal stressor blowing his ability to handle stress. His cortisol is so weak because of it.

And balancing system will be huge for him in long run, but I think internal stressor needs identification. Balancing system should be enough for most people. But I truly believe there comes a time where HPA function is so out of balance that the body can’t hold on to on your minerals and use them correctly.

 

[tanedout]

On that point about Carnitine @Helen , I’m doing very well in terms of tei type balancing and Lyme antibiotics toleration with injectable L-Carnitine. Think it is hugeeee for me in opening detox pathways.

I’m currently taking antibiotics that make me herx like crazy twice a day. Taking methylation supplements in morning noon, minerals zinc, manganese, molybdnum at night.

Tolerating it all pretty well. The herx is more of a “detox herx” that is smooth rather than the brutal brain pressure I normally get. Gut is moving well, with good but not incredible diet.

I attribute both Carnitine and TH1/th2 as to why I’m able to handle this stuff. Amongst diet, good fats.

Maybe an idea for those having hard time tolerating them tei would be to pump up Carnitine artificially a bit. What do you think?

Probably not case for slayo. He doesn’t react to anything... other than badly to foods. Like he doesn’t feel TEI any type of detox which is mind boggling.

I think his detox organs aren’t holding him back at all with this being case. And there’s just an internal stressor blowing his ability to handle stress. His cortisol is so weak because of it.

And balancing system will be huge for him in long run, but I think internal stressor needs identification. Balancing system should be enough for most people. But I truly believe there comes a time where HPA function is so out of balance that the body can’t hold on to on your minerals and use them correctly.

Fair play for having the bottle to do your own injections! Closest I've come to that is when I did an online test for progesterone. The kit included a device to prick the end of my finger, then I had to 'milk' my finger to get blood out into a tube. Never again! My finger didn't look right for weeks!

I had issues with what heavy detox on TEI (think my liver was just totally overwhelmed ) so might give supplemental carnitine a go. In the past I noticed improved mental clarity from that.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 I am going to repost the post that I just posted to Joe

it is not about density of the AR as I posted to you already many many times. Density of the receptors changes VERY FAST. up or down.

increasing density yes, helps PFS , but density is already increased HUGE))) it happens, since there is a problems with glutathione recycling and NADPH.

NADPH is needed to turn folate cycle, b12 recycling and 5AR))


you simply cant methylate the histone, and you simply cant methylate the carnitine.

You think carnitine helps people since it increase some AR LMAO


carnitine is needed to deliver fats for burning Joe. it does not really affect the AR. or does anything to it.


but to make carnitine you need methylation. and you saw the blood tests that I posted. where peopel have zero SAME< zero folate, zero all of that stuff.


How are you going to methylate lysine)) to make carnitine)) you cant, and thus delivery of lipids for burning and creating stuff does not work.

and thus AR signaling is OFF, since you cant have protein synthesis, without lipid membrane.

You simply cant)) and that is why when you give carnitine, it carries the lipid , creates the cell membrane, and this allows the body to TURN ON PROTEIN synthesis which is ANDROGENS))



DO you get that or not? that is why carnitine increases AR density, and action, since it is ALLOWED to do protein synthesis with lipids available.



I hope you get that.


And taking these supplements only works, when you take them, if you cant make carnitine , your AR signaling will switch off when you stop taking it.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 exactly , you are doing everything correctly. you are supporting methylation and taking carnitine.

you are basically taking what ARL gave you at first, zinc manganese copper detox.

 

[bruschi11]

@Helen i agree with your point big time regarding Carnitine for being stilt.

But... maybe we need that stilt for a bit. Or some people with degree of illness can certainly utilize it quite a bit.

You have to realize, we aren’t going to cure me, slayo, 99% of us within a week, a month. It’s going to take time to clear the body of bad that Finasteride caused.

I think sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to help that body release what it’s gotta get rid of. Carnitine wasn’t in my arsenault during my best times of this now 7 year health journey last winter.

BUTTT, I can certainly say that I think Carnitine while treating Lyme (fall 2017, now 2019 with tei too), while on TRT (pre pfs 2016), while just boosting T and having really good summer in 2013 after fatigue began in mid 2011.

I can look back and see wow, Carnitine certainly helped me get healthier. And at my healthiest last winter, I didn’t need it.

Now I do lol. My toxic load is too high. I need all the help I can get for time being till I get out of cfs. When I get out of cfs with the help of carn, NB, diet, exercise, fasting etc I’ll stop the Carn.

 

[Helen]

@Helen i agree with your point big time regarding Carnitine for being stilt.

But... maybe we need that stilt for a bit. Or some people with degree of illness can certainly utilize it quite a bit.

You have to realize, we aren’t going to cure me, slayo, 99% of us within a week, a month. It’s going to take time to clear the body of bad that Finasteride caused.

I think sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to help that body release what it’s gotta get rid of. Carnitine wasn’t in my arsenault during my best times of this now 7 year health journey last winter.

BUTTT, I can certainly say that I think Carnitine while treating Lyme (fall 2017, now 2019 with tei too), while on TRT (pre pfs 2016), while just boosting T and having really good summer in 2013 after fatigue began in mid 2011.

I can look back and see wow, Carnitine certainly helped me get healthier. And at my healthiest last winter, I didn’t need it.

Now I do lol. My toxic load is too high. I need all the help I can get for time being till I get out of cfs. When I get out of cfs with the help of this, I’ll stop it.

yes, you can use it as stilts. but you have to make sure you wil be able to make it after you come off.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 you see how much Carnitine you have used)) according to Joe, you would be cured 10000 times already)) since it increases androgen receptors and action many fold, since it allows protein synthesis to take place.


since when they are lipids, then you can make androgens, if there are no membrane and high homocysteine, it destroys your lipids constantly

Look at BLOODs for PFS people , all high homocysteine. it destroys blood vessels, and lipids. and thus body cant turn on androgens))


how can you build protein if there are no membranes.



That is why TEI and ARL takes a long time, but they will restore the natural body balance, but that wont be in 2 months))

 

[bruschi11]

yes, you can use it as stilts. but you have to make sure you wil be able to make it after you come off.

Yup. It reverted fine for me after my fast last year. I was like “I’m never injecting anything ever again” before the fast. I thanked Carnitine for its help and hid it, forgot about it.

But I needed help again recently and it’s potency is noticed and majorly appreciated.

 

[Helen]

@bruschi11 CFS is the lack of both SUGAR and FAT metabolism.


it happens, since carnitine cant be methylated. and NADPH cant be made. also.


Thus what happens is people start burning PROTEIN for fuel.


This lowers biotin and creates TONS OF AMMONIA>


this is why if you give carnitine, it at least gives you fat metabolism)) and ammonia goes down

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 you see how much Carnitine you have used)) according to Joe, you would be cured 10000 times already)) since it increases androgen receptors and action many fold, since it allows protein synthesis to take place.


since when they are lipids, then you can make androgens, if there are no membrane and high homocysteine, it destroys your lipids constantly

Look at BLOODs for PFS people , all high homocysteine. it destroys blood vessels, and lipids. and thus body cant turn on androgens))


how can you build protein if there are no membranes.



That is why TEI and ARL takes a long time, but they will restore the natural body balance, but that wont be in 2 months))

Lol I totally understand (as far as I can you crazy Russian genius). Carnitine isn’t going to cure me, no way. Not of pfs. But will it help reduce my toxic load over next month or two before fasting sessions? Of course it will.

Gotta keep pushing the system in correct direction. And I’m getting minerals now efficiently. It’s great- zinc, manganese I’m feeling their affects in a good sense. Sleeping better and just feeling dopamine you know? It’s helping stress response coupled with methylation supps in morning, day.