Snell's log

[Goose12]

It's remarkable how we can have different experiences. Licorice root (lower dose) gave me very strong erections from day 1, more energy but no impact on libido.

I took a gram a day 40 days, I over did it. Licorice root was in a supplement I was taking and at the time I didn't put two and two together. The first two weeks I was getting some benefits (I thought things were naturally getting better) but after that things got worse.

Its an herb that should definitely be cycled. Here is a guy that used it to make a full recovery.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/3334-long-time-lurker-finally-got-my-health-back-doing-cdnuts-boost-your-low-t-protocol.html

 

[Goose12]

I'll look into that. I'm just wondering if I'm better letting it play out so I get the full bounce back effect instead of doing anything to fix it. Goose told me via pm that after licorice root it took him 6 weeks for the potassium to go back up and then the erection qualify returned at the 8 week mark. I'll try to hold on a bit longer to get the same timeline as him.

Are you cycling any herbs, I started herbs around 4 weeks after my potassium tanked but I don't know if it really helped with the potassium. I think the biggest thing is time but I think we need to constantly keep moving forward. That's what I like about CD protocol is it been proven to at least not hurt anybody, from what I know.

I know you will get over it snell, good luck.

Thanks. I've been on them all but having a break at the moment just to let things all normalise out. Also so I can get some accurate blood tests and hair tests to see where I am at.

My gut instinct is telling me to have a break from everything and ride the next few weeks out. The improvement has been well above baseline sexually and physically. It's just the low potassium which is taking its time to bounce back.

Your gut instinct is probably right. I took a break from the herbs for the last three weeks to run RU and I have made some improvements since then.

 

[5 alpha]

Zinc and betaine HCL would increase potassium back up in the cell according to gbol, right? Have you tried that when you experienced severe low potassium, did it relieve any symptoms?

I'll look into that. I'm just wondering if I'm better letting it play out so I get the full bounce back effect instead of doing anything to fix it. Goose told me via pm that after licorice root it took him 6 weeks for the potassium to go back up and then the erection qualify returned at the 8 week mark. I'll try to hold on a bit longer to get the same timeline as him.

Are you cycling any herbs, I started herbs around 4 weeks after my potassium tanked but I don't know if it really helped with the potassium. I think the biggest thing is time but I think we need to constantly keep moving forward. That's what I like about CD protocol is it been proven to at least not hurt anybody, from what I know.

I know you will get over it snell, good luck.

good point about CD's protocol never hurting anyone. He has never provided bad advice. The more of his protocol you follow the more benefits you get.

I did seem to hit a wall though as far as the labido issues go with his protocol. This is the point that I started trying more things. But I always still keep a solid foundation by following the basics of his protocol and never has it hurt in anyway.

If I fasted properly with a two week water fast I think I would have got better results in the labido department in the long run.

 

[expendable]

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/3334-long-time-lurker-finally-got-my-health-back-doing-cdnuts-boost-your-low-t-protocol.html

Oh my shit. I want to EMPHASIZE this. I actually remember reading this before at some point but I didn't remember the licorice root part. After I sort of half-assedly "cycled" licorice root + kudzu, once a week, for 2 weeks, I actually got some quite good improvements in numbness, and the big boost in feeling happened exactly when the guy mentioned it did for him (~3 days later), then dropped but to a point above baseline. Wow.

 

[TubZy]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

 

[Goose12]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

I completely agree that cycling is a big part of the protocol. I think it can apply to other things to like food, supplements, and exercise. When you chronically do something over and over again is when you run in to problems. The only constant for our bodies should be change.

 

[jacknap]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

tubz so are you still doing cdnuts protocol? cuz I remember u had like all the herbs at one point? how long have u stuck with it? and u did 1 cycle of andro right?

 

[jacknap]

It's remarkable how we can have different experiences. Licorice root (lower dose) gave me very strong erections from day 1, more energy but no impact on libido.

I took a gram a day 40 days, I over did it. Licorice root was in a supplement I was taking and at the time I didn't put two and two together. The first two weeks I was getting some benefits (I thought things were naturally getting better) but after that things got worse.

Its an herb that should definitely be cycled. Here is a guy that used it to make a full recovery.

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/3334-long-time-lurker-finally-got-my-health-back-doing-cdnuts-boost-your-low-t-protocol.html

that guys confusing cause he claims he followed the cdnuts protocol for 2 years and still had zero libido for 2 years until he used licorice.

I cycled licorice 3 times. Cannot say it did anything for me. So I binned it.

 

[TubZy]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

tubz so are you still doing cdnuts protocol? cuz I remember u had like all the herbs at one point? how long have u stuck with it? and u did 1 cycle of andro right?

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

 

[Snell1234]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

tubz so are you still doing cdnuts protocol? cuz I remember u had like all the herbs at one point? how long have u stuck with it? and u did 1 cycle of andro right?

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

 

[Goose12]

that guys confusing cause he claims he followed the cdnuts protocol for 2 years and still had zero libido for 2 years until he used licorice.

I cycled licorice 3 times. Cannot say it did anything for me. So I binned it.

I feel like everyone is filling in a puzzle and for some this is a piece that might fit. Before I over did it on the licorice I was getting some pretty good results. Its a really interesting herb in the way it works. It seems like it touches a lot of areas that have been effected from pfs.

 

[TubZy]

tubz so are you still doing cdnuts protocol? cuz I remember u had like all the herbs at one point? how long have u stuck with it? and u did 1 cycle of andro right?

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

 

[Snell1234]

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

Interesting - did you think you got any permanent benefits from the herbs or was it more the r andro?

 

[Snell1234]

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

And on haidut's andro - that could be to do with his filler ingredients. I read on another site that there was some discussion about what he was using in his products and how he claims all the stuff was harmless despite a lot of people reporting adverse reactions.

But don't bring that up on ray peat!

 

[TubZy]

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

And on haidut's andro - that could be to do with his filler ingredients. I read on another site that there was some discussion about what he was using in his products and how he claims all the stuff was harmless despite a lot of people reporting adverse reactions.

But don't bring that up on ray peat!

Could be lol, he never actually posted on CoA's on majority of his products (if any) although he talked about it. I got some adverse reactions to his products before (the DMSO ones).

However, I think one of the bigger issues is his dosage. He doses androsterone at 1mg or 2mg, I'm sure for safety purposes, while R andro is in the hundreds of mg's lol....

 

[Snow1]

No I haven't really touched CD's herbs since last summer and really same goes for R Andro as well when I made the log. I did the herbs for a few months and things seemed to level off, I basically did his entire protocol a year ago except the fast part, which I just fasted just recently as per gbol's advice.

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

Tubzy I have three bottles of super r-andro in the fridge and going to look at doing another 4 week high dose cycle. Do you think I need to keep and eye on my prolactin? I can take and zinc/Nad afterwards, domylu
Suggest taking anything else with the r-andro or afterwards?

 

[Snell1234]

When you were on the herbs, did you do the pine pollen every day and if so, how much did you do?

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

Tubzy I have three bottles of super r-andro in the fridge and going to look at doing another 4 week high dose cycle. Do you think I need to keep and eye on my prolactin? I can take and zinc/Nad afterwards, domylu
Suggest taking anything else with the r-andro or afterwards?

Super r andro shouldn't do anything to prolactin so you are all good there.

Have you used it before?

 

[Snow1]

Yea that and pine pollen together and 5a-dhp for a bit. I felt really good on it then after a week or so if stopping I crashed and felt like I've gone back a few years from my recovery and thought maybe it was prolactin that got affected. Hey my prolactin was 7.6 in my last test, is that high or mid range? I'm getting more bloods today as it's been a month since I have been off everything so I can get a solid reading. How are feeling snell, you have been off your pine pollen for a bit now?

 

[jacknap]

That is my feeling on some of these herbs work. I think CDs protocol is good for people who are really stuck in a rut, many people have hit a wall after getting out of the rut but not back to 100% yet, which seems to be the hardest part. But like you guys said his protocol is safe and doesn't seem to hurt anything anyways, which is always a plus.

I'm thinking the cycling part of CDs protocol is actually more important than the actual herb dosing and frequency. There are many herbs that are part of his protocol that can act estrogenic or as a 5ARi but if you are cycling it (I.e. only taking it once every two weeks or so) would theoretically cause the body to upregulate, if that makes sense, which is basically Gbol's perspective.

I'm currently of the opinion that no hormones are bad. eg) estrogen/prolactin. But rather the correct ratio for your physiology.

For example. When I use 60mg of pregnanalone it definitely enhances my wellbeing. When I use 150mg I'm overstimulated and too aggressive (in an out of control way)

Estrogen also helps libido as well. I'm on schizandra day today and I had 3 spontaneous erections today. (Don't take this as a magic pill guys, I was basically a sex addict before I crashed and would get 10 spontaneous erections a day). My 33% libido is more than some healthy peoples 100% libido lol.

 

[5 alpha]

Yes, I did pine pollen every day while cycling thru about 22 herbs. I was mega dosing the pine pollen powder about 8-10 tablespoons split into 2 doses. I responded well the first week or in an androgenic way, then anxiety started kicking in bad and just felt spaced out.

High dose R andro I felt great on, but RU was the only thing that just made me feel normal again, R andro I felt good on it, but kind of over stimmed. The only andro I used since then was haidut's and I felt worse on it.

Given what we know now about snapping back, it could be worth experimenting with R andro then taking zinc, NAD etc. post cycle

And on haidut's andro - that could be to do with his filler ingredients. I read on another site that there was some discussion about what he was using in his products and how he claims all the stuff was harmless despite a lot of people reporting adverse reactions.

But don't bring that up on ray peat!

Could be lol, he never actually posted on CoA's on majority of his products (if any) although he talked about it. I got some adverse reactions to his products before (the DMSO ones).

However, I think one of the bigger issues is his dosage. He doses androsterone at 1mg or 2mg, I'm sure for safety purposes, while R andro is in the hundreds of mg's lol....

I have wondered about the difference in dosage with these two products as well. I got overall better improvements on my first Randro cycle out of any Androsterone or epiandrosterone product I have tried. But I still liked haiduts Androsterone all around better because I felt like I had more flexibility with dosage. I could really feel haiduts Androsterone on 1-3 drops and while getting some improvements. From the 3 or 4 times I have tried R Andro nothing less than 300mg would do hardly anything for me and at 300mg I would have blood pressure issues and feel out of breath in situations that it would not be normal for me to be out of breath .

both are good products but after knowing what we know now even for those of us who get benefits while on Androsterone we know it's not addressing the bottom line. So I'm done with Androsterone. 5adhp I know will call my name again eventually lol