Sports Performance + Longevity/Health... Is It Possible?

[Roland007]

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[supernature]

Some from the golden era of bodybuilding: Ric Drasin, Arnold, Dave Draper. Not sure if is some 12 weeks out diet or year round but they say: high protein, low carb, 1 cheat day, but also suppl like: Test, Anavar, Winstrol.


For building muscle might be ok, but some of the combinations: eggs, cottage cheese, ground beef in one meal looks .like complete protein profile, but thats a mess and will ask for troubles if you ask Andreas Moritz and for the jews its unacceptable.

 

[Nina]

Definitely possible, i have noticed professional athletes seem to be the most balanced people out there. Most of the time they are really fun to be around, nice people. Always some rotten apples but overall nice people really.

 

[supernature]

Its a catch, athletes this athletes that, if metabolism is working like a clock one can use each type of macros to thrive. There are people eating fruits and do extensive workouts and accomplishments. Its not the athletes, just they happen to like to do sports, its their metabolism that is allowing them to achieve high performance, have high base level and develop over it. We cant run like Bolt, no matter how many carbs we eat and what we do in the gym. Michael Johnson went to see where and how he trains, the guys wasnt even on time for the appointment at the track, he wasnt even aerodynamic when he runs according to Johnson who analyzed his 'techniques' of success. It ended up he does have no perfect form at all, but still beats everyone...

 

[MNK99]

Some people are just genetically perfect for the sport they've self-selected themselves to be in or were saught out and created (like the Chinese NBA players, Yao Ming - both his parents are olympians and also tall as hell 6' 5.6 and 6'3 or so + he was mandated by the Chinese Government). Insane strength, insane speed, pretty good technique fighters might beat someone with perfect technique and practice of more years, especially when person A in this hypothetical has 20lb more lean body mass doing nothing with zero exercise, Some guys lift never, and bench 240 300lb etc, some train 2-10 years to do that or never do (my bench is weaker than most other lifts). Some people are naturally there without the hard work, but they're outliers. Some need to work like crazy for it. Sports, or whatever else. Some have 160 I.Q. and are born and bred to take up their family's business. Some are 160 I.Q., and relatively poor and fucked up. Person 2 has to "work harder" for less. It's the way it is. Some are 110 I.Q. and just born rich. Life's more complicated than a random health test, hair test or not.

2000g of carbs is insane. those are high number lifts for sure. The drugs do a lot. Ostarine, randro, etc... put permanent muscle on me or semi permanent. I'm sure if i lie down 15 years, most muscle would be gone. No drugs ever, maybe his numbers would be less impressive. Perfect genes for their sport + the right mix of drugs = crazy success. Like Arnold. But physical gains I got in like a decade plus, surely some got in weeks or months, or they're just monsters (they'd literally have to be a monster to be born doing a similar number of reps).

 

[MNK99]

I dont do that, but my friends who's dads are 6'2 and moms are like 5'11 and they're like 6'4 6'5.. that's genetics. the one's who's mom's are 5'8 and dad's are 5'6 and they're 5'9-6'1 that's genetics and EPIGENETICS (nutrition, upbringing, etc). Never said its all all genetics. I'm literally like and unlike a lot of family members. Extreme versions of lots of them and nothing at all like others but like many, driven. But that's society and upbringing, because if you're not driven... what are you? nothing.

So are we really making the argument that genetics don't exist? Ok. Oh i see nevermind sorry.

@frankstone007 I see we are basically saying the same thing. Ok, I make that argument all the time but I'm well aware that epigenetics and genetics both exist. I see. Usually I don't actually read, I skip ahead, I slowed down and read the thread tho. Yes, indeed, nurture and nature environmental surroundings social factors influencing and being above just pure genetic destiny, indeed.

But lets be very clear. Yao being born to poor villagers rather than OLYMPIAN athletes the tallest people in China, he'd be shorter. I bet one million dollars on that.
You guys are acting like you could just make an 8 feet tall baby.

 

[supernature]

I had a female friend who was told by the federation if she scores 5900 points in the heptathlon she will be sent by them to the eruopean championships, she did 5950 points and they did not send her

Maybe she missed the apontment to the federation lockerroom when she sshould give them a brief view of her best capabilities.

IMO ''genetics' is pure BS.. genetics are influenced by nutrients and the environment and not vice versa.. its more like EPIgenetics

people blame ''genetics'' to avoid responsibility

Thats sort of - point of view, people blame..., of course nutrients influence the performance, but the word here is base capacity, some do have it set to higher end of scale, some on bottom, some in the middle. Its different when one try to push the bottom and midddle to the fullest, while the end
one has that score already.

 

[MNK99]

i know, epi - genetics. above genetics. your nephew's case, definitely yes that wasn't purely genes at all but poor habits/ upbringing.

 

[MNK99]

true, same here exactly what i tell ppl. BUT, i do have some members of family back in the army and also law like 40-90yrs ago who are taller. BUT maybe it was army stuff, like my dad's uncle passed 93 or so he was 6'3 (lawyer economist former military, worked till 90+ or whatever they couldn't fire him/ tax lawyer). also random chance. i guess he was crazy into exercise as well tho. but ya, most asian and indian kids i see in canada and the states who were born here, at least half or the ones i notice are 5'10-6'2 but there are other ones. SOME just choose shitty diets still or eat like parents parents parents ate. I cant do that anyways as per obsession with leanness.

but ya that's true. kashmir, peshawar, punjab etc, parts or rajastan to an extent have bigger people, better genes, better food. JUSt veggie only usually not. ALTHo did have some random veg friends that were 6'2 also but maybe historically their ancestors weren't vegetarian. I don't know for sure. self selection for military, sports, etc anyways. and also caste system where im from keeps TONS of people down and an inept govt and lots of things that i only kind of understand. same in asia minus that caste system thing but similar injustices. also the developed world raping resources from much of the developing world.

and yeah heights, weights etc converge. but that doesn't explain a lot of things that i could go into. like tendency for neurodegen diseases, random genetic mutations for fatal cancers etc. that's genetics, not necessarily passed down nor repeated, but is that just environmental? some say brain cancer not huge there (developing world) but is here. SO is food better here or worse? Some good and some bad. I don't know. I'm just saying we are talking about an infinite number of factors.

 

[supernature]

that is EPigenetics... i had a friend whos parents were very short, he did not want to be that short and began to read, he read that sleeping a lot and drinkign lots of milk for calcium can increase his tallness, so he began to sleep 12 hours per day and drink 1- 2 litres of RAW milk per day.. now he is like 10cm taller than his parents.

Wow, ive never slept for 12 h and drank that much milk and guess what im more than 10sm taller than my parents. I like the freak mindset your friend had, its freaking cool, not because he wasted so much time sleeping but because of the maniac mindset he had. You have other friends with cool cases like that ?

 

[supernature]

it was more of a racial issue and not being part of the ''inner club'' ...not a blow job issue...

You see how it is in reality, its not only what you want and feel, its also do you fit in particular frame. If the frame is some really valuable and prescious, then its worth the effort, but you have to be at least in some level of acceptance/competitive either metabolic level, social status, ethnicity..., so epigenetics can push you forward for ex, you need good status on many other levels to begin with.

 

[supernature]

all of those you listed are part of epigenetics(i.e. environmental factors).. but she did win the national finals though, they could not take that from her

Then everything past birth is just simply epigenetics. We are dependant os so much things and all they are affecting and changing us so its everything epigenetics.
My point with Bolt was what were his epigenetic changes growing up in the bushes, eating simple foods..., the guy is not perfect athlete with form of running and strictly following training routines according to champion like Johnson, he is just like that a few levels above the rest, that must be some genetically. Like the one biathlonist who won lots of trophies just because he had genetic anomaly allowing him to have more oxygen in blood compared to other athletes. If he wasnt an athlete he is best sorted as some sort of disease with his genetics.

 

[supernature]

I have to google those PEDs to find out what is the talk about. Said this way who has healthy mother. Open FB and see what their health groups are full of, you look picture of a perfect female looking, perfect genetics and when you read what they shared as symptoms you find out quick that the body is rotting inside, everything is a mess. Ive even seen on health forum a female a new mother of recently born child asking for advice what she needs to do to get into some detox program and im thinking to myself what is wrong with this females these days. You had a kid take care of it, be a good mother, why would she need to go on a hardcore detox while the baby is eating her milk this is ridiculous, lots of toxins of the detox procedure she would take will go into the milk and into the baby. What is the poor baby's choice, what is its fault with mother like that and probably a father like that who will have no problem his wife to have detox while nursing a baby, crazy people.

Whats going on here, i was talking to frank zane but now it seems im talking to roland agent cobra !? )