St John's Wort and/or Inositol Log

[jinstewart]

Week 3 day 2 (fourth day of break from SJW.)

Took licorice (500mg) over the weekend. Felt terrible on it. Something has changed after coming out of it. My balls started tingling after 5 years. Penis girth has increased. Hair is turning pre-fin. Erection are not not rock solid but pe is gone.I think I'm just couple of months away from recovery. And all this with a sedentary life style with out doing any physical activity.
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That's fantastic news! I'm convinced there's something to it myself too.

(EDIT: @rock do also log the fuck out of what you're up to, if you really do recover that's going to be amazing!! )

I'm taking a break from the SJW, now only really taking gut protocol drink. Improvement waves really do keep coming though. I'm hoping that's something adjusting. I'm not back to myself but I feel much more "content". Was sleeping with my gorgeous colleague last night (no sex, just slept there) and got the most significant 'wave' yet. Accompanied by a bit of a 'jolt' in my perineum. Last dose of SJW was Friday (Tuesday now.) Beetlebum also took a break for almost a week when he felt the need, and I think this is also my time. I'll probably start again at 450mg EOD sometime.

Frustratingly nothing improves me sexually to any noticeable degree, and that's pretty much the only thing I need right now.

Also I REALLY am not sleeping good any more, but acceptably. 5-6 hours and then napping until the alarm. I can function though, it's just borderline survivable.

I'll try the licorice root again I think, 450mg once-weekly or Sat/Sun.

It is though, despite the negativity here, VERY encouraging that the little waves of contentment keep hitting me, despite not having taken the SJW for four days. GODDD if ONLY I had my erections back, seriously...

I also have the very very slightest hint of hayfever coming back too.

 

[MNK99]

That's pretty crazy (in a good way), marked improvement after 5 yrs stagnation @rock Good for you. No other symptoms or they've gone? Maybe you posted them before.

 

[jinstewart]

Week 3 day 3

Current supps are Gillian Hamer's probiotics, 450mg SJW AM EOD and gut protocol.

Going back on 450mg AM today, then nothing tomorrow, then Friday. I could 'feel' cortisol was mega high since stopping and my sleep has been AWFUL, declining ever since. However I believe this also brought in what I call the 'sour headache' which I can feel, as I'd describe it, like a monster clawing and battering at some big iron door in my head that doesn't let it in and, SJW or not, the iron door gets slightly bigger and slightly stronger each day. Sometimes a finger gets around, sometime a hand reaches past it, but the monster doesn't get in now.

Notice dramatic difference to mood driving in today after my 450mg - much calmer. Had an argument with my gorgeous colleague last night (during which I stayed as calm and reasonable as possible) but it did stress me out a little. The stress of course didn't 'get around the door' but I can feel it rattling around and my heart is beating hard, and I take odd 'spontaneous breaths' on occasion, esp at night.

I wonder if I could re-sensitise cortisol again. I'm sure this is the problem. Licorice root? Another RU run? Antihistamines even? Phosphatidyl Serine? Oh idk lol, but I'll keep this up and emulate Beetlebum's 'cycles' as best I can.

I am SO SO tired but I feel much better than I ever had with PFS. As I've said before, if my boners/muscles magically restored this would be a life you could live happily enough.

EDIT - further speculation (dangerous for me I know) is the link between licorice root and SJW and noradrenaline. Might be worth building up to cycle these on alternate weeks rather than SJW and Inositol.

 

[Goose12]

Week 3 day 3

Current supps are Gillian Hamer's probiotics, 450mg SJW AM EOD and gut protocol.

Going back on 450mg AM today, then nothing tomorrow, then Friday. I could 'feel' cortisol was mega high since stopping and my sleep has been AWFUL, declining ever since. However I believe this also brought in what I call the 'sour headache' which I can feel, as I'd describe it, like a monster clawing and battering at some big iron door in my head that doesn't let it in and, SJW or not, the iron door gets slightly bigger and slightly stronger each day. Sometimes a finger gets around, sometime a hand reaches past it, but the monster doesn't get in now.

Notice dramatic difference to mood driving in today after my 450mg - much calmer. Had an argument with my gorgeous colleague last night (during which I stayed as calm and reasonable as possible) but it did stress me out a little. The stress of course didn't 'get around the door' but I can feel it rattling around and my heart is beating hard, and I take odd 'spontaneous breaths' on occasion, esp at night.

I wonder if I could re-sensitise cortisol again. I'm sure this is the problem. Licorice root? Another RU run? Antihistamines even? Phosphatidyl Serine? Oh idk lol, but I'll keep this up and emulate Beetlebum's 'cycles' as best I can.

I am SO SO tired but I feel much better than I ever had with PFS. As I've said before, if my boners/muscles magically restored this would be a life you could live happily enough.

EDIT - further speculation (dangerous for me I know) is the link between licorice root and SJW and noradrenaline. Might be worth building up to cycle these on alternate weeks rather than SJW and Inositol.

I felt exactly the same as you after ru. I kept thinking if I just had labido and erections I would be cured. At the time I didn't realize how much farther I had to go and how I was ignoring other issues. I ran three more ru cycles after my first and didn't get the same improvements as my first cycle. Also tried Randro, Ella, herbs, and simple electrolyte protocol.

I wasted five months chasing a quick fix. Hopefully you have better luck than me but the only thing that got my labido back was tei.

Issues I ignored at the time were shortness of breath, itching scalp, chronic fatigue, digestion issues, white tongue, dark circles under eyes, slow metabolism, adrenal burnout, waking up to pee through out the night, liver pressure, etc..

 

[TubZy]

I felt exactly the same as you after ru. I kept thinking if I just had labido and erections I would be cured. At the time I didn't realize how much farther I had to go and how I was ignoring other issues. I ran three more ru cycles after my first and didn't get the same improvements as my first cycle. Also tried Randro, Ella, herbs, and simple electrolyte protocol.

I wasted five months chasing a quick fix. Hopefully you have better luck than me but the only thing that got my labido back was tei.

Issues I ignored at the time were shortness of breath, itching scalp, chronic fatigue, digestion issues, white tongue, dark circles under eyes, slow metabolism, adrenal burnout, waking up to pee through out the night, liver pressure, etc..

Is your libido and erections fully back yet? I think I remember you saying in your log that your erections and libido would fluctuate a lot and were still not consistent on TEI thus far. Is that still the case?

 

[Goose12]

Is your libido and erections fully back yet? I think I remember you saying in your log that your erections and libido would fluctuate a lot and were still not consistent on TEI thus far. Is that still the case?

Labido and erections are not a 100 percent yet. My labido currently fluctuates from almost normal to low, but baseline is slowly getting higher and higher labido is becoming the norm. Very similar to how CD describes improvements on his protocol (a rollercoaster).

It's great because I had absolutely no labido for a year and a half. Erections and morning wood are slowly improving also. Tei is definitely no quick fix but it works. I am continually getting improvements even non pfs areas.

On tei labido is usually worse but after each cycle it gets harder to feel the difference between on and off the supps.

 

[jinstewart]

I have to say, unpopular as it might be, TEI has fixed nobody and is therefore not for me.

EDIT - morning of week 3 day 4. Didn't sleep great but slightly better. No SJW today but throwing in 450mg licorice root today, which I'll start once weekly. Also gonna dabble in L-histidine and L-cysteine HCLs for the boners, at about 1/2 tsp each in PM gut drink, see what fires up.

Also interested in incorporating the glandulars as SOMETHING slightly improved boners before slightly crashing them again.

Had sex AGAIN last night, but only lasted 5 minutes AGAIN. Oh well, hard throughout and she came at least.

 

[5 alpha]

Week 2 day 5

So, Weds night wasn't great. Got hit by sexual sides and couldn't get hard. Did eventually get there more or less before orgasm, and it was a VERY good one - though more watery than usual it did "shoot" out rather than dribble. Sorry, gross updates for you all.

On the bad side I can feel cortisol flooding through me and this may be the licorice root, may be the glandulars from Weds - little bit more general anxiety and 'tired but wired' feeling is present. Either way, not great. BUT this DID happen to Beetlebum, so I took nothing yesterday, only 450mg today and I'll take 450mg EOD for a few days, then work up to 450mg/day, then 900mg, then again the 1350mg as per his thread. He is a little scatty on the dosages.

I DID manage to JUST ABOUT have sex yesterday and was perfectly acceptably hard throughout, but only lasted 5 minutes! Stupid fucking P.E. thanks finasteride. Still, she enjoyed herself too.

Sleep has gotten pretty shit though. Got about 4-5 hours last night then nap-dozed for 2 hours.

I *think* I got a little bit of the "colours coming back" thing driving into work too. Emotions and old character are TOTALLY coming back, despite the odd flashes of "sour headache" - god I do feel like I'm REALLY sticking knives in that spiteful symptom and at least feeling it die a little bit. If this is a window I'm at least grateful for it.

I think for now I'll tread VERY carefully with licorice root or glandulars and just try and keep the SJW going alone.

My biggest personal worry is the sexual stuff though. I think if I got that back I'd say I was 90% cured and could totally live a life like this.

EDIT - For Helen and the science crew, this post might be interesting: PSSD Collaborative Research • View topic - SJW Always Cures My PSSD- kramdrol OP

Also going to TRY and just plot out Beetlebum's dosages, so we've got it here.

Days 1-4 - 900mg/day. Felt sexually worse at first.
Days 5-9 - 1350mg/day. Sexual sides so stopped dead on 9th day.
Days14-17 - 450mg EOD (vague, assuming.)
Days 18-47 - Started out at 900mg, switched to 1350mg AT SOME POINT in this range.
Day 61 - Felt nervous and aggressive and euphoric feelings went. Quit.
Day 67 - Felt sudden improvement.
Day 82 - Cured.

So he kinda accidentally cycled it.

Jin

It’s to good to hear that you are making an upward trend here. Congrats on hooking up with that chick you have been taking about.

Is all licorice root created equal ? I’m going to get it. It’s my understanding that it increases Cortisol more so then it balances it. I need to know where I stand once cortisol is tweeked upward and this seems to be the best way to go about it.

Can I simply go to Vitamin shop and get any licorice product ? Or is it best to go for the best quality licorice product I can find ?

Is it safe to say that your most recent improvements are not due to a post RU snap back? I’m talking about the recent improvements in sexual sides

Keep up the good work man

 

[5 alpha]

Took licorice (500mg) over the weekend. Felt terrible on it. Something has changed after coming out of it. My balls started tingling after 5 years. Penis girth has increased. Hair is turning pre-fin. Erection are not not rock solid but pe is gone.I think I'm just couple of months away from recovery. And all this with a sedentary life style with out doing any physical activity.
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Are you going to be cycling licorice root moving forward ?

 

[Aflac94]

@jinstewart @rock

What fixed muscle pumps Ability to work in the gym and cardio?

If I got that back I would be content. Not being able to exercise with intensity or go to lift weights kills me more than shity sleep, probably related maybe not tho

 

[rock]

Are you going to be cycling licorice root moving forward ?

Yes planing to take on weekends. This is my second weekend. Not taking anything else.

 

[5 alpha]

Yes planing to take on weekends. This is my second weekend. Not taking anything else.

Nice. If I remember correctly this is how champ from swole cycled it as well resulting in a recover he later retracted right ?

Do you use a particular licorice product or know if a particular one is recommended ?