Tei and some consideration

Goose12

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All people doing tei feel bad while you are taking supps, right?
After you increase your baseline you will still have downswings on the supps but your downswings will be higher than your original pfs baseline. It takes a cycle or two for most to get to this point.

It's a roller coaster where you're downswing and highs keep getting higher.
 

supernature

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@bruschi11 fast oxidizer like you and lyme person like you , uses a lot of zinc and manganese in urea cycle. to detox ammonia.

this happens since cortisol is high,


What you say is one needs to work on reasons why cortisol gets elevated rather than to substitute with the minerals lost, even so the latter will be right move in that case short term ? What ratio of zinc to manganese is correct ?
 

supernature

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I also think that the problem with copper bioavailability is because of aldehyde enzymes. Most copper enzymes produce aldehyde. and if you produce or expose to too much aldehyde from candida, gut dysbiosis because of lack of bile let's say, then acetaldehyde can be very high and this stops copper enzymes which breaking down serotonin and histamine, and you end up with high cortisol


I assume regarding copper biounavailability you mean MAO as well and as a prev step compared to ALDH and if latter is overworked and cant do its job that makes the MAO cofactors unavailable, is that what you mean in regard to serotonin degradation ?
What you think would happen in that case with the metabolites of MAO and ALDH (in urine for ex.) if the steps below 5-HT are compromised, maybe their (5-HIAL, 5-HIAA) levels will be too low and 5-HT will be elevated because of that ?
 

Helen

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I assume regarding copper biounavailability you mean MAO as well and as a prev step compared to ALDH and if latter is overworked and cant do its job that makes the MAO cofactors unavailable, is that what you mean in regard to serotonin degradation ?
What you think would happen in that case with the metabolites of MAO and ALDH (in urine for ex.) if the steps below 5-HT are compromised, maybe their (5-HIAL, 5-HIAA) levels will be too low and 5-HT will be elevated because of that ?

yes serotonin and histamine are elevated thus high cortisol
 

supernature

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yes serotonin and histamine are elevated thus high cortisol

With that you mean it affects the catecholamines in certain way as well. So we have copper availability compromised and due to the upper if we have overexpressed MT, then we have zinc, b6 availability compromised as well, that look like a disaster and people would think they have pyroluria because Dr would say, see you loose all this then you must have the condition !? Maybe we should start grooming more to take care of all this ?
 

supernature

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Maybe even the valence of the elements is playing a role in their availability. For ex. the MAOs copper should be cupric, but isnt it changing it to cuprous a reason for slowing the enzyme down and then the whole cascade of wrong events !? MAO is "bad" enzyme anyway, making ammonia and hydrogen peroxide, whats good about that. @Helen