TEI Hair Analysis - From Fast 4 into Slow 1. (Updated 10th of May 2019)

[RebelWithACause]

Cool man. I think for me they also lower estrogen. Good luck. We will see in a few months. Will be nice to see some progress.

 

[Trump_1776]

Update for myself:

Been on the 2nd cycle for almost a week, and like I guessed, the vitamin E is a bitch. Dry skin, lots of eye floaters and heavy emotional numbness. Also waking up like I've been hit by a train. For the rest nothing special and feels ok-ish.

How much vitanegro E are you taking daily? Not sure if you mentioned that

 

[Ingeno]

How much vitanegro E are you taking daily? Not sure if you mentioned that

200 IU 3 times a day.

 

[Chapman]

200 IU 3 times a day.

I think it's quite common with TEI, I'm on it 3 times a day as well. They got you avoiding calcium as well?

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think it's quite common with TEI, I'm on it 3 times a day as well. They got you avoiding calcium as well?

You are a slow oxidizer and Ingeno is a fast oxidizer. Slow oxidizer = avoid calcium. Fast oxidizer not.

 

[Admiral]

hopefully after the cycle your estrogen will be working better

It won't if you other hormones remain low. Hence I am contemplating returning to ARL after two TEI cycles. The vitamin E gives me dry skin and make my gums bleed and sensitive. I'm positive they are receding again.

 

[Ingeno]

I think it's quite common with TEI, I'm on it 3 times a day as well. They got you avoiding calcium as well?

First TEI cycle I had zero vitamin E. I do need to eat a lot of calcium foods, so I'm getting that. I have no clue what the role of vitamin E is in the balancing act, maybe @Helen knows more about why vitamin E is used.

 

[Ingeno]

It won't if you other hormones remain low. Hence I am contemplating returning to ARL after two TEI cycles. The vitamin E gives me dry skin and make my gums bleed and sensitive. I'm positive they are receding again.

I also have the dry skin part, but my gums are fine I think, they don't bleed and are only sensitive sometimes when combining hot/cold foods together or in a short time frame. Perhaps something else is causing your gums to bleed?

 

[Admiral]

I also have the dry skin part, but my gums are fine I think, they don't bleed and are only sensitive sometimes when combining hot/cold foods together or in a short time frame. Perhaps something else is causing your gums to bleed?

I've always linked my low E to my dental issues. Not totally sure about it, but whenever I am using E-antagonists, it seems to get worse.

DUH your estrogen is low. Which will mean DRY SKIN, LOW LIBIDO, anger, OCD symptoms, etc. You will feel and look SHITTIER on the cycle.

Come on guys. TEI is not supposed to make you feel better while on it. If you do not have faith in it, quit the program and do a different protocol. Don't hop around from protocol to protocol if you want to see results. Stick to it.

I have faith in the program, but not in the vitamine E bit TEI puts heavy access on. Might even be the Dutch self baked version as I don't see the original TEI tests suggest them as much. They've advised me E on three different hair tests, with totally different body types and mineral ratio's, whereas ARL has never included them. Wilson also mentions fast oxidizers need to stay away from E. Hence my doubts.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I've always linked my low E to my dental issues. Not totally sure about it, but whenever I am using E-antagonists, it seems to get worse.



I have faith in the program, but not in the vitamine E bit TEI puts heavy access on. Might even be the Dutch self baked version as I don't see the original TEI tests suggest them as much. They've advised me E on three different hair tests, with totally different body types and mineral ratio's, whereas ARL has never included them. Wilson also mentions fast oxidizers need to stay away from E. Hence my doubts.

tonysoprano also got VITAMIN E PLUS on his cycle. VITAMIN E PLUS is a TEI supplement.

Wilson also says when your Na/K ratio is below 1 you should not get zinc, yet I am on 50mg of zinc. My Na/K ratio was 0.47 or so. Wilson and ARL would never give zinc.

TEI is the more aggressive approach. I think on TEI you will feel shittier but it has faster results.

You want to cherry pick supplements. That is not how the program works. The program works with the combination of all supplements. There is a reason why they give vitamin E plus. They do not just give it for fun.

Yes you will feel and look shittier when you are doing it. Then you take a break for 2 weeks and you should feel better.

I don't care what you do just stick to one program that you have faith in. It is useless to do something where you have no faith in or you do not agree with.

 

[Ingeno]

I also have a feeling that TEI keeps researching, they still publish some interesting newsletters once in a while. No clue if ARL is based on old information. I'm sticking with TEI but I share your doubts @Admiral. Sympia is indeed their own baked version, but I'm quite sure that TEI does produce them. Sympia does not contain vitamin D though, and Sym-Pack III does contain vitamin D, which is a very important vitamin and I have no idea why they didn't include it in Sympia.

 

[Admiral]

tonysoprano also got VITAMIN E PLUS on his cycle. VITAMIN E PLUS is a TEI supplement.

Wilson also says when your Na/K ratio is below 1 you should not get zinc, yet I am on 50mg of zinc. My Na/K ratio was 0.47 or so. Wilson and ARL would never give zinc.

TEI is the more aggressive approach. I think on TEI you will feel shittier but it has faster results.

You want to cherry pick supplements. That is not how the program works. The program works with the combination of all supplements. There is a reason why they give vitamin E plus. They do not just give it for fun.

Yes you will feel and look shittier when you are doing it. Then you take a break for 2 weeks and you should feel better.

I don't care what you do just stick to one program that you have faith in. It is useless to do something where you have no faith in or you do not agree with.

I think TEI brings a lot of uncertainties the way they are operated here in the Netherlands. Not saying I am not a believer, but I am, just like Ingeno, a bit sceptic the about their supplements and supplemental advice. I'm on nutritional balancing for about 10 months now, so I get to be a little bit more sceptic than you perhaps.
Again, I will ride out at least two TEI cycles and see what's up then. I ain't quitting brotha..

 

[Admiral]

I also have a feeling that TEI keeps researching, they still publish some interesting newsletters once in a while. No clue if ARL is based on old information. I'm sticking with TEI but I share your doubts @Admiral. Sympia is indeed their own baked version, but I'm quite sure that TEI does produce them. Sympia does not contain vitamin D though, and Sym-Pack III does contain vitamin D, which is a very important vitamin and I have no idea why they didn't include it in Sympia.

It's Vitamunda who make Sympia. They try to copy Sympack, but without the glandulars, magnesium, calcium and vitamine D.

 

[RebelWithACause]

It's Vitamunda who make Sympia. They try to copy Sympack, but without the glandulars, magnesium, calcium and vitamine D.

Yes I think we discussed this before on the forums. I personally am going with this hairtest. Just adding more magnesium and calcium in the diet.

I got a good improvement after the first cycle. Where it was eye opening for me and I felt like SHIT while on the program.

I was not 100% cured. But ANY increase in libido and decrease in anxiety is big for me. So for me this shows it did something beneficial. Otherwise I would of been more skeptical and not done the next hair test probably.

I take the risk. Could be that this program does not work. Then we will know. There is a small change between American TEI and this version. They leave out some things. Does not mean it does not work at all. Might be less balanced. Who knows. Maybe this works better. The only way to find out is to DO IT.

At the end of the cycle you still get a hair test result. You can see what the supplements did. How do you feel, etc.

I think it stupid to keep discussing this. Do the program or don't. If you do not have faith in it, quit it and do the American version or do ARL/cdsnuts. It is that simple. It is stupid to pay for a program, do it and then start second guessing. That is a waste of money.

I am doing this so we will see in a few months if it did anything. If not then not. I am taking the risk. If it does not work then we do not recommend it to future people on this forum. That simple.

All these programs need time, that is the bottom line. I think the Dutch TEI will have same results as the American (official) version. The lack of magnesium/calcium/d3 you can compensate by adding some extra dairy/greens in the diet. Might not be perfect but it will have a similar effect: slow you down.

 

[Ingeno]

It's Vitamunda who make Sympia. They try to copy Sympack, but without the glandulars, magnesium, calcium and vitamine D.

I believe Trace Elements does produce Sympia, it is made in the USA too and a lot of similarities between the bottles of Sympia and original TEI supplements. When I contacted TEI directly they replied through Vitamunda and stated that some ingredients where forbidden in The Netherlands, thus they modified the formula a bit. I am adding a similar vitamin D dose to my Sympia, magnesium is covered in the Min-Plex-B (which has a good amount of magnesium) and calcium is easy to add with foods. The only missing part are those glandulars, but those are hard to replicate with other supplements because TEI does add them in very small amounts.

Anyway, it is great that we are trying stuff and I'm really curious about the snapback from the current and next cycle.

 

[Ingeno]

Yes I think we discussed this before on the forums. I personally am going with this hairtest. Just adding more magnesium and calcium in the diet.

I got a good improvement after the first cycle. Where it was eye opening for me and I felt like SHIT while on the program.

I was not 100% cured. But ANY increase in libido and decrease in anxiety is big for me. So for me this shows it did something beneficial. Otherwise I would of been more skeptical and not done the next hair test probably.

I take the risk. Could be that this program does not work. Then we will know. There is a small change between American TEI and this version. They leave out some things. Does not mean it does not work at all. Might be less balanced. Who knows. Maybe this works better. The only way to find out is to DO IT.

At the end of the cycle you still get a hair test result. You can see what the supplements did. How do you feel, etc.

I think it stupid to keep discussing this. Do the program or don't. If you do not have faith in it, quit it and do the American version or do ARL/cdsnuts. It is that simple. It is stupid to pay for a program, do it and then start second guessing. That is a waste of money.

I am doing this so we will see in a few months if it did anything. If not then not. I am taking the risk. If it does not work then we do not recommend it to future people on this forum. That simple.

All these programs need time, that is the bottom line. I think the Dutch TEI will have same results as the American (official) version. The lack of magnesium/calcium/d3 you can compensate by adding some extra dairy/greens in the diet. Might not be perfect but it will have a similar effect: slow you down.

Yes we should stick with a program, but I do believe it's good to dicuss the differences between their supplements. Right now I have more faith in TEI, but I was kinda disappointed that we didn't get all of the original supplements from TEI in The Netherlands, I mean they must have crafted them carefully for a reason. Also if we don't make any real progress in the end, it might be because of the different supplements and being aware of this gives us the opportunity to add the differences ourself or even swtich to ARL for example, which I hope is not necessary. In the end time will tell.

 

[brix]

First TEI cycle I had zero vitamin E. I do need to eat a lot of calcium foods, so I'm getting that. I have no clue what the role of vitamin E is in the balancing act, maybe @Helen knows more about why vitamin E is used.

Vitamin E is used to raise Sodium values and Na/K ratio.

 

[Ingeno]

Random update to keep you guys informed.

I've been using the supplements for about 3 weeks now and the cycle is manageable. There aren't many improvements and I'm just sitting out this ride. Dry skin, probably due to the vitamin E, is pretty bad after a warm shower, skin itches all over the place. Brain fog is still there, hard to focus at work and some days I can't even force myself to do some work. I really miss those thriving days were you had enough energy to learn new stuff, those were exciting times. I hope they will come back one day, because time flies by too fucking fast and the worst part is I'm not enjoying the most important years of my life.

 

[Ingeno]

Last few days have been hell. Feeling slight nausea during the whole day, extemely cold and very shallow/short breating. Each breath is very small and sometimes I don't even breath for 10-20 seconds. Also extreme tired and it has gotten to the point that I can't function anymore at work, brain fog is insane. Feeling asexual and no feelings in my dick.

Nausea feels like a 'metal' one, like I used to get when I took zinc on an empty stomach, although I don't take zinc right now but only copper. My stools are also very yellow.

Didn't think this TEI round would be this extreme.

 

[Admiral]

You could play around with the dose if it becomes unmanageable.

Weird how most of us all feel shitty on cycle. Dr Wilson mentions that you should feel better on the supps unless major detoxing takes place.