**TEI vs ARL - Explanation** (FAQs)

[RebelWithACause]

That must be it. They only advised me not taking the obvious (sugar, chocolate, alcohol, etc.). ARL used to have entire lists. I have a hunch it's just the Dutch Vitamunda who's fucking things up again.

Also, I took major copper loads and eat a lot of copper as well. It only lowered it.

They had a list before this last test. I don't think it is that big of a deal. They just advised food that had the minerals in it that they also give you (copper, magnesium, calcium for example). I will just eat some copper foods once in a while like liver and other shit.

 

[brix]

They had a list before this last test. I don't think it is that big of a deal. They just advised food that had the minerals in it that they also give you (copper, magnesium, calcium for example). I will just eat some copper foods once in a while like liver and other shit.

Chocolate! Good for copper and mag.

My latest test had all the food recommendations. Must just be your country.

 

[Ingeno]

They had a list before this last test. I don't think it is that big of a deal. They just advised food that had the minerals in it that they also give you (copper, magnesium, calcium for example). I will just eat some copper foods once in a while like liver and other shit.

Ask them for the food list, I did too and eventually received it. The reason why they stopped with it is because there were also unhealthy thing on the list like bacon. I still wanted the list because there were some foods on it that I thought were okay but definately had to avoid during the cycle. For example certain nuts were allowed and some other nuts needed to be avoided, probably due to high amounts of certain minerals (para nuts) or interference with mineral absorption.

And TEI still includes the list for Vitamunda, it is Vitamunda who cuts out the food list.

 

[barbaar]

Ask them for the food list, I did too and eventually received it. The reason why they stopped with it is because there were also unhealthy thing on the list like bacon. I still wanted the list because there were some foods on it that I thought were okay but definately had to avoid during the cycle. For example certain nuts were allowed and some other nuts needed to be avoided, probably due to high amounts of certain minerals (para nuts) or interference with mineral absorption.

And TEI still includes the list for Vitamunda, it is Vitamunda who cuts out the food list.

Ugh I'm so annoyed by all the hoops we have to jump through here in NL just to get what we paid for.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yes its annoying but the shit works! We dont have a lot of choice. I am pretty much follwing TEI to a T now. Except the glandulars.

 

[Admiral]

Yes its annoying but the shit works! We dont have a lot of choice. I am pretty much follwing TEI to a T now. Except the glandulars.

Other than a greater sense of well being, how else have you noticed improvements in the typical PFS symptoms?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Other than a greater sense of well being, how else have you noticed improvements in the typical PFS symptoms?

• Greater mental clarity/less brainfog + more aware of my reality
• More stable mood (this has become better since the second cycle)
• Less anxiety - anxiety was very low after the first cycle - now second cycle it is a bit worse but still better than before
• Better libido (after first cycle only - second cycle my libido was worse after - hope to be better after this cycle again)
• Strength in the gym, recovery is fast
• Aggression in the gym - wanting to lift weights (this went away after the second cycle again)
• Better sense of smell - the scent of women
• Notice hot girls more around me.
  
  I still deal with lower libido, lower motivation and I random erections. With random erections I mean I wake up with morning wood but after that they disappear for the rest of the day. I wake up and boom erection is gone after 20 seconds. Helen talked about this. Seems to be a common PFS side.
  
  All of these symptoms are not 100% to normal. But much better. Noticeable so that it cannot be a placebo. Only thing I don't like about TEI is the supps (or the healing reactions?) leave me in a state of depersonalisation sometimes and this lasts for 2-3 weeks after quitting the supps.
  
  Second cycle kind of left me feeling a bit empty. I think they wanted to lower my copper (in the brain?) and after the cycle I noticed I had a lot of copper deficient symptoms like: very white/yellow-ish skin in my face (anemia?), low energy, low motivation, etc. Felt a lot of ZINC dominant symptoms.
  
  After the first cycle in 3 weeks of the supps I felt much better. Second cycle a few of my bad symptoms like MOOD INSTABILITY became better. But I got some other symptoms that have to do with copper deficiency.
  
  So it seems some cycles you can get a bit worse after. But now they are adding in copper a lot more and it seems to go back to normal slowly. I feel better on this supps although I also get some anger sometimes. It seems no matter what supps I get, they make me irritated to different levels. Zinc seems to be the worst for me - feeling-wise. So now I get copper it is better. But even now I can get really irritated by people or sudden sounds.
  
  To be honest on TEI supps I feel a bit like a robot. Don't want to talk to anyone IRL. Normally I am a pretty social guy. But on TEI people bother me and I want to be alone. I just focus on finishing the cycle and meanwhile lifting weights, work, meet some people once in a while. Really boring life if I put it next to how I used to live. But I cannot do much more. I get tired fast on the TEI supps.
  
  Off the supps it is different story. Especially after the first cycle in the third week I had a few days where I felt really good and social, motivated for life. My old go getter attitude.

I wish progress was faster. The progress is part by part. The up- and downswings don't help with giving a good image of what is happening. Sometimes I feel really good for a few days and then really bad. This affects how you judge everything. The bad days make me doubt everything about it. But then all of a sudden I get a few days where I felt better than before.

You need patience with the program. I hope to be able to give more info after this cycle. I think three cycles can give me a good idea about the program.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Also my dead tiredness is gone. Yes I feel tired and unmotivated on the supps. But before TEI I would sometimes just sleep in the middle of the day. First cycle I slept also A LOT. Whenever I could. Now I feel enough energy to go through the days from morning to night. I don't yawn or anything or like I want to sleep. Shows you that my energy has increased in the body. My physical energy is high. Which is also good for healing.

 

[Goose12]

@RebelWithACause I have had almost that exact same experience on tei as you have. A while back you mentioned your hunger has dropped. I am experiencing the same thing. I feel like I could easily go a day without eating and thinking about it. But I have been forcing myself to eat because of tei.

 

[bruschi11]

I honestly think there’s a way to make system not feel like that @RebelWithACause while running a balancing program.

My goal is to make this process easier on the system @Walker . Why do some people feel great while on minerals and why others not? Is my big question.

@Goose12 and @Niles and @Grambo say they all feel better than worse while on supplements. Well goose says he feels really good on them but better when off.

Anyways, we need to figure out why some people feel worse and some better. Honestly from my perspective I think the pathogen is in the way and die off can be tough on the brain combined with the obvious chelation.

Look at Grambo... he had been on minocycline for over a month before going on supps. Any coincidence he’s the one guy here who says he feels way better on supplements?

I think not. Pathogens dying as we balance cause all sorts of toxicities in body combined with chelation it’s just too much.

I think guys should run colloidal silver, mms, Chinese Herbs- potent pathogen killers for a few weeks while on or off program. Then run program while building up the gut with colostrums, probiotics and probiotic foods, kefir, probiotic enemas etc.

I got 16 days left on this fast and I can’t wait to prove myself right afterward.

 

[bruschi11]

OR you’re just really toxic if not pathogen in way. And if so you fast or give yourself a little two-three week detox like Gerson Therapy.

 

[Goose12]

I honestly think there’s a way to make system not feel like that @RebelWithACause while running a balancing program.

My goal is to make this process easier on the system @Walker . Why do some people feel great while on minerals and why others not? Is my big question.

@Goose12 and @Niles and @Grambo say they all feel better than worse while on supplements. Well goose says he feels really good on them but better when off.

Anyways, we need to figure out why some people feel worse and some better. Honestly from my perspective I think the pathogen is in the way and die off can be tough on the brain combined with the obvious chelation.

Look at Grambo... he had been on minocycline for over a month before going on supps. Any coincidence he’s the one guy here who says he feels way better on supplements?

I think not. Pathogens dying as we balance cause all sorts of toxicities in body combined with chelation it’s just too much.

I think guys should run colloidal silver, mms, Chinese Herbs- potent pathogen killers for a few weeks while on or off program. Then run program while building up the gut with colostrums, probiotics and probiotic foods, kefir, probiotic enemas etc.

I got 16 days left on this fast and I can’t wait to prove myself right afterward.

My liver feels like it gets hit the hardest while on cycle. Its not as bad now that I am on my 4th cycle of supps, but I can feel it every now and then. I wonder if tudca would be good to add. Probably best not to add anything though. I actually somewhat look forward to my detox reactions because I know whats to come (a higher baseline).

I think the more you can do to open your detox pathways the better. What works the best for me is to be on point with the diet and get lots of rest. If you feel tired on cycle listen to your body and rest. This will help the body detox faster.

Just give the body everything it needs on cycle: sleep, clean food, low stress, clean water, clean air, eat at least three meals, and light exercise. Dr. Wilson also recommends saunas, foot reflexology, and the pulling down exercise (meditation).

 

[RebelWithACause]

I honestly think there’s a way to make system not feel like that @RebelWithACause while running a balancing program.

My goal is to make this process easier on the system @Walker . Why do some people feel great while on minerals and why others not? Is my big question.

@Goose12 and @Niles and @Grambo say they all feel better than worse while on supplements. Well goose says he feels really good on them but better when off.

Anyways, we need to figure out why some people feel worse and some better. Honestly from my perspective I think the pathogen is in the way and die off can be tough on the brain combined with the obvious chelation.

Look at Grambo... he had been on minocycline for over a month before going on supps. Any coincidence he’s the one guy here who says he feels way better on supplements?

I think not. Pathogens dying as we balance cause all sorts of toxicities in body combined with chelation it’s just too much.

I think guys should run colloidal silver, mms, Chinese Herbs- potent pathogen killers for a few weeks while on or off program. Then run program while building up the gut with colostrums, probiotics and probiotic foods, kefir, probiotic enemas etc.

I got 16 days left on this fast and I can’t wait to prove myself right afterward.

From what I noticed last few days on this new supps I will feel better on this cycle.

I think the zinc + Vitamin C with my already low Na/K ratio pushed it even lower - more catabolic. Manganese should help against it I think but I still think zinc and vitamin C makes me feel crappier in general. They did this to lower my copper because I had a higher copper level on that retest.

Now the focus is more on copper (raises sodium?), manganese (raises sodium?), vitamin E (raises sodium?), calcium, magnesium, B6. Seems to be more anabolic and I notice I am calmer mostly. More levelheaded.

After the second cycle I started writing these rants an if you look at my hairtest my Na and K was very high and the rest low. Which means I was in pretty high oxidation rate burning through calcium and magnesium. I was eating a lot of calcium and mangnesium foods as well.

I was not expecting to feel good always I am just sharing my experience with it. This is why you cannot say after 1 cycle oh I feel cured. It takes a while to fix the mess. And to be honest I think my body is/was pretty messy.

 

[RebelWithACause]

@Goose12 BTW now that I stopped intaking a lot of zinc my appetite is slowly returning with the new supplements. I think I was just catabolic as hell for a while. I am not "hungry" by all means but food does not seem a chore anymore. I think it will just go up and down in cycles. Nothing to worry about.

I remember talking to some bodybuilders and they told me when they would have lower estrogen their appetite would also be lower. When their estrogen would be higher from for example dianabol (highly aromatising anabolic steroid) their appetite would be much higher and they would enjoy food more.

Maybe that is why a lot of women (and fat estrogenic men) get addicted to "emotional eating".

It needs to be balanced obviously. Both ways are not optimal (no enjoyment out of food vs. excessive enjoyment out of food). Same for sex. Funny: the enjoyment of sex and food seem to be similar (connected to estrogen/copper?).

 

[RebelWithACause]

Not sure if someone posted this already:

Old study shows Vitamin E supplementation seems to raise Testosterone in rats:

Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects. - PubMed - NCBI

"On the other hand, in vitamin E supplemented rats, FSH and LH content in pituitary tissue was significantly higher than that of the controls, but there was no significant rise in basal FSH and LH level in plasma. The testosterone level was significantly elevated in both testicular tissue and plasma."

Maybe by improving the Na/K ratio by raising sodium?

Supplemental testosterone raises sodium in the cell as well.

Does anything that increase sodium levels and increases the Na/K ratio in catabolic people (low Na/K) also increase testosterone?

Maybe I am thinking of this too simple. Still interesting info.

 

[HerrFisch]

Not sure if someone posted this already:

Old study shows Vitamin E supplementation seems to raise Testosterone in rats:

Effect of vitamin E on function of pituitary-gonadal axis in male rats and human subjects. - PubMed - NCBI

"On the other hand, in vitamin E supplemented rats, FSH and LH content in pituitary tissue was significantly higher than that of the controls, but there was no significant rise in basal FSH and LH level in plasma. The testosterone level was significantly elevated in both testicular tissue and plasma."

Maybe by improving the Na/K ratio by raising sodium?

Supplemental testosterone raises sodium in the cell as well.

Does anything that increase sodium levels and increases the Na/K ratio in catabolic people (low Na/K) also increase testosterone?

Maybe I am thinking of this too simple. Still interesting info.

Hmm, copper increases Na/K but I dont think it leads to high Test. Probably LH stimulation but higher aromatase.
Iron does increase Sodium as well and would rather lower test also.
Does Manganese make changes to testosterone levels?

I'd say most things that increase Sodium are LH, FSH stimulants. (?)
Thinking the opposite, does Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc,B2, Folate lower Testosterone because of their Sodium antagonistic "features"?

I would think that to have high testosterone, you would want to be lower on copper and iron. So Testosterone would go up to retain iron?

So the older you get and assuming you accumulate more and more copper and iron, your testosterone gets lower because 1. there is no need to retain more iron 2. further conversions are increased ?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Hmm, copper increases Na/K but I dont think it leads to high Test. Probably LH stimulation but higher aromatase.
Iron does increase Sodium as well and would rather lower test also.
Does Manganese make changes to testosterone levels?

I'd say most things that increase Sodium are LH, FSH stimulants. (?)
Thinking the opposite, does Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc,B2, Folate lower Testosterone because of their Sodium antagonistic "features"?

I would think that to have high testosterone, you would want to be lower on copper and iron. So Testosterone would go up to retain iron?

So the older you get and assuming you accumulate more and more copper and iron, your testosterone gets lower because 1. there is no need to retain more iron 2. further conversions are increased ?

There are studies showing magnesium supplementation raises testosterone. So does zinc supplementation. So it is not clear cut.

I think the supplement creatine also raises aldosterone (maybe from the increase of 5AR -> DHT, I am not sure). I think this is why creatine worked well for me for building muscle. But it is known to cause a lot of hair shedding -> probably too high sodium (aldosterone?). Gave me a confidence boost as well. I did remember sometimes having libido issues on creatine and high aggression - especially when I would drink alcohol I could get really angry. More people have had this issue on creatine - non-PFS guys.

Same as guys are experiencing hairloss on the vitamin E on this forum. Maybe it raises their sodium too high?

 

[Walker]

I honestly think there’s a way to make system not feel like that @RebelWithACause while running a balancing program.

My goal is to make this process easier on the system @Walker . Why do some people feel great while on minerals and why others not? Is my big question.

@Goose12 and @Niles and @Grambo say they all feel better than worse while on supplements. Well goose says he feels really good on them but better when off.

Anyways, we need to figure out why some people feel worse and some better. Honestly from my perspective I think the pathogen is in the way and die off can be tough on the brain combined with the obvious chelation.

Look at Grambo... he had been on minocycline for over a month before going on supps. Any coincidence he’s the one guy here who says he feels way better on supplements?

I think not. Pathogens dying as we balance cause all sorts of toxicities in body combined with chelation it’s just too much.

I think guys should run colloidal silver, mms, Chinese Herbs- potent pathogen killers for a few weeks while on or off program. Then run program while building up the gut with colostrums, probiotics and probiotic foods, kefir, probiotic enemas etc.

I got 16 days left on this fast and I can’t wait to prove myself right afterward.

I don’t want to jinx myself, but I think that may just have been my first cycle. I don’t notice any ill feeling other than maybe just a little but it’s not very noticeable on this one, where as before it was a very run down feeling.

 

[Walker]

My liver feels like it gets hit the hardest while on cycle. Its not as bad now that I am on my 4th cycle of supps, but I can feel it every now and then. I wonder if tudca would be good to add. Probably best not to add anything though. I actually somewhat look forward to my detox reactions because I know whats to come (a higher baseline).

I think the more you can do to open your detox pathways the better. What works the best for me is to be on point with the diet and get lots of rest. If you feel tired on cycle listen to your body and rest. This will help the body detox faster.

Just give the body everything it needs on cycle: sleep, clean food, low stress, clean water, clean air, eat at least three meals, and light exercise. Dr. Wilson also recommends saunas, foot reflexology, and the pulling down exercise (meditation).

I’ll agree with the liver statement. I drank a couple of nights ago partying with my wife and some friends, and I woke up the next morning feeling a horrible hangover. Also, I had a red blotch between my eyebrows that apparently per Chinese medicine means your liver is over stressed.

 

[jacknap]

I’ll agree with the liver statement. I drank a couple of nights ago partying with my wife and some friends, and I woke up the next morning feeling a horrible hangover. Also, I had a red blotch between my eyebrows that apparently per Chinese medicine means your liver is over stressed.

have you tried the himalayan livercare cd uses? I use it all the time as insurance.