**TEI vs ARL - Explanation** (FAQs)
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RebelWithACause
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I got the Min-Plex B, Sym pack, Zinc Plus, Calcium Plus, digestive aids
RebelWithACause
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It retains a mineral/certain minerals. Not exactly sure which ones but I think sodium.
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Re: @Admiral said this:
I just switched to TEI, but I might only stay there for one cycle. When I compare the ingredients, ARL includes way more minerals. TEI doesn't give me anything for my low calcium, or don't add zinc when they include copper, for instance. I find their suggestions to be rather weak. I am now getting sym pack, copper plus, vitamin E and digestive sups. All these sups only contain one mineral and that is copper. The rest consists out of amino's and vitamines. Not sure if TEI also hands out glandulars, but I always got them on ARL. Could be that they read my hair test results and think I don't need any, ofcourse, but I just think it's a rather weak supplement advice compared to ARL.
-Interesting what you say here. While crashing and considering -- is this BP/mood disorder, was I bound to get super depressed at some point (for 6-12mo -- never before, usually I drank, fought, or did drugs, or moved on somehow responsibly. Like a pure and mature adult male boy). ---IT was PFS though. Certainly the other stuff didn't help*.
---anyways, I'm trying to say: I read about people saying "Now I only use aminos to control my bipolar."
-Maybe that's why it helps level things off well for me. mostly. --still may be lacking in one regard PFS. ---but have something in mind, but long term will use this (TEI).
---Maybe it's the Aminos that help mental issues a lot. ---but maybe it's missing a tiny thing for cortisol signalling...... ---- or something similar.
--I'm kidding mostly I just coped badly, but ran around a lot... and tired out... and bad things I could cope with better then. Sometimes, exploded in rage tho, then drank.
---or used stims and was cool minus the insomnia and irritation and hyperfocus.
-Mood stabilizing with aminos, some claim. I see what they mean unless it's other reactions I don't know about. Barbaar had some good points.
I just switched to TEI, but I might only stay there for one cycle. When I compare the ingredients, ARL includes way more minerals. TEI doesn't give me anything for my low calcium, or don't add zinc when they include copper, for instance. I find their suggestions to be rather weak. I am now getting sym pack, copper plus, vitamin E and digestive sups. All these sups only contain one mineral and that is copper. The rest consists out of amino's and vitamines. Not sure if TEI also hands out glandulars, but I always got them on ARL. Could be that they read my hair test results and think I don't need any, ofcourse, but I just think it's a rather weak supplement advice compared to ARL.
-Interesting what you say here. While crashing and considering -- is this BP/mood disorder, was I bound to get super depressed at some point (for 6-12mo -- never before, usually I drank, fought, or did drugs, or moved on somehow responsibly. Like a pure and mature adult male boy). ---IT was PFS though. Certainly the other stuff didn't help*.
---anyways, I'm trying to say: I read about people saying "Now I only use aminos to control my bipolar."
-Maybe that's why it helps level things off well for me. mostly. --still may be lacking in one regard PFS. ---but have something in mind, but long term will use this (TEI).
---Maybe it's the Aminos that help mental issues a lot. ---but maybe it's missing a tiny thing for cortisol signalling...... ---- or something similar.
--I'm kidding mostly I just coped badly, but ran around a lot... and tired out... and bad things I could cope with better then. Sometimes, exploded in rage tho, then drank.
---or used stims and was cool minus the insomnia and irritation and hyperfocus.
-Mood stabilizing with aminos, some claim. I see what they mean unless it's other reactions I don't know about. Barbaar had some good points.
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I share your concerns. The glandulars are not included in the Dutch version of TEI supplements. For example Sympia is the Dutch version of Sym-pack but is missing the glandulars which the original does contain. We have a self baked version made for the Dutchies. I have no idea if theybare just as good and how important they are for our recovery. Sympia also lacks vitamin D, which in my opinion seems rather important while the Sym-pack does contain vitamin D. Especially if they are trying to fix calcium issues the vitamin D might be extra important.
TEI says that some grandulars are not allowed in the Netherlands, thus they created an alternate version. The verdict is still out if we get the same amount of gains as with the original TEI supplements.
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Which is odd, as the ARL company over here does include glandulars.
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Yea they modified the Sym Pack. The rest is TEI original I think. Calcium Plus II, Zinc Plus II, etc.
If you are worried about those supplements you can add them in yourself. Like @health has created the supplements himself. You can buy glandulars, vitamin D and add them in. I also see it lacks calcium, magnesium in the Sympia. So make sure you get adequate amount from that in the diet (dairy, vegetables) and/or add them in in the right amount.
I personally got the Min-Plex B + Calcium Plus which is already a lot of calcium and magnesium.
Let's hope it works out.
For me I will just follow the Dutch TEI and see what the results are so in the future people can use that - or not. I will see on the next hair test if the supplements helped or not. Then do another cycle.
For the rest I would advice follow the diet (get in extra calcium for example, more fat, etc.) this will also help.
If you are worried about those supplements you can add them in yourself. Like @health has created the supplements himself. You can buy glandulars, vitamin D and add them in. I also see it lacks calcium, magnesium in the Sympia. So make sure you get adequate amount from that in the diet (dairy, vegetables) and/or add them in in the right amount.
I personally got the Min-Plex B + Calcium Plus which is already a lot of calcium and magnesium.
Let's hope it works out.
For me I will just follow the Dutch TEI and see what the results are so in the future people can use that - or not. I will see on the next hair test if the supplements helped or not. Then do another cycle.
For the rest I would advice follow the diet (get in extra calcium for example, more fat, etc.) this will also help.
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Initially I did not hear back from Catherine so I ordered a kit from evenbetternow, I sent a pubic hair sample on 12/5 through Catherine and since I had already paid for evenbetternow kit I sent a scalp sample in on 12/17, received scalp results yesterday.
There is a difference in the 2 tests in terms of the mineral and ratios even though both show I am a slow 1
The supplement recommendations and diet are also slightly different, Pubic sample recommends Copper and Scalp recommends Potassium. Also the scalp recommends much more of the parapack, adrenal complex, HCL
I am waiting for Catherine to make a recommendation. I believe the scalp is much more accurate, and am planning to slowly increase doses to the full Scalp supplement recommendations.
Just wanted to share this with the community as I think it will be helpful.
The first 3 images are the pubic followed by the scalp.
I am 2.5 weeks into the program, too early to give an update, will say digestion and sleep are better.
There is a difference in the 2 tests in terms of the mineral and ratios even though both show I am a slow 1
The supplement recommendations and diet are also slightly different, Pubic sample recommends Copper and Scalp recommends Potassium. Also the scalp recommends much more of the parapack, adrenal complex, HCL
I am waiting for Catherine to make a recommendation. I believe the scalp is much more accurate, and am planning to slowly increase doses to the full Scalp supplement recommendations.
Just wanted to share this with the community as I think it will be helpful.
The first 3 images are the pubic followed by the scalp.
I am 2.5 weeks into the program, too early to give an update, will say digestion and sleep are better.
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For the one I sent in last week, I used Axillary hair. I kept my scalp hair too short to really use it here lately.
Wonder if this will cause similar differences to pubic vs scalp.
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Interesting, but it seems pubic hair seems to be working though? @Sawsides do you use any shampoos or anything on your scalp or pubic hair at all over the past few months? Any soaps or sea salt bathe anything like that?
Also, @Helen do you find it odd that in the TEI program information they send with the recc it states that you can take your "medications" with the program. Isn't that odd that they say you can take it with your meeications, won't that defeat the purpose?
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I actually wonder if the body hair is better than head hair.
Of course they made a system based on head hair, but I wonder if body hair is a better indicator.
Need to talk to TEI about this. since this is a huge difference. I assumed the hair samples would be somewhat similar.
this is not good.
I mean on one sample copper, and on another potassium WTF LOL
Of course they made a system based on head hair, but I wonder if body hair is a better indicator.
Need to talk to TEI about this. since this is a huge difference. I assumed the hair samples would be somewhat similar.
this is not good.
I mean on one sample copper, and on another potassium WTF LOL
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I use the hair from the side of the head.
Anyways this is what Dr. Wilson says:
"If you cannot use head hair, the second best is beard hair for men. If this is unavailable, the next best location for sampling hair is the underarms. Body hair can also be used, if available.
Pubic hair, while allowed by Analytical Research Labs, is not as accurate and preferably do not use it. If possible, avoid combining hair from different parts of the body in one hair envelope."
"If these are not available, some labs will test the minerals in fingernails, and this is fairly accurate. Do not use pubic hair. It is not as accurate, even though some laboratories allow it."
Anyways this is what Dr. Wilson says:
"If you cannot use head hair, the second best is beard hair for men. If this is unavailable, the next best location for sampling hair is the underarms. Body hair can also be used, if available.
Pubic hair, while allowed by Analytical Research Labs, is not as accurate and preferably do not use it. If possible, avoid combining hair from different parts of the body in one hair envelope."
"If these are not available, some labs will test the minerals in fingernails, and this is fairly accurate. Do not use pubic hair. It is not as accurate, even though some laboratories allow it."
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If they built a system around head hair why wouldn't you use head hair? Makes no sense to me.
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What kind of shampoo was it? Even if it doesn't contain actual minerals in it, it still can influence ratios potentially like keto shampoo for example. Yeah, only stopping for days won't really matter for hair tests in this instance since the hair grows in cycles, usually a month off is safe.
This also kind of worries me about armpit hair since you put deodorant there as well which can alter the mineral ratios in the hair. That is why I always used pubic hair and also I keep my scalp hair on the shorter side too...
@Boris
You make a good point as pubic hair apart from soap is not exposed to much. That was my reasoning as well to send pubic and since you and hairsuit and snowball had sent pubic.
I use shampoo and conditioner made by Biolage from Walmart.
After all this discussion I am now wondering what to do, stick with pubic or go with scalp recommendations or go with both copper and Potassium. I will also wait to see what Catherine says.
You make a good point as pubic hair apart from soap is not exposed to much. That was my reasoning as well to send pubic and since you and hairsuit and snowball had sent pubic.
I use shampoo and conditioner made by Biolage from Walmart.
After all this discussion I am now wondering what to do, stick with pubic or go with scalp recommendations or go with both copper and Potassium. I will also wait to see what Catherine says.