The simple reason Ketogenic diets work for sick people

[jinzo]

so the keto/carnivore diets are getting popular on youtube. it only makes sense, because one extreme (veganism) will always beget another, then eventually balance occurs.

the diet essentially allows you to burn up (clear out) circulating bile acids, which normally would be a source of chronic autointoxication in sick individuals. The constant resorption of Bile acids into circulation causes chronic inflammation. all sorts of diseases manifest as a result. when the shift in metabolism occurs to burning fat for fuel the body is able to use these bile acids as fuel, thus masking the symptoms of autointoxication. It doesnt actually cure anything though.

The causes are malfunction (blockage) brought on by poor diet and/or drugs. Antibiotics and even aspirin can cause cholestasis. the blockage will be in the gallbladder and probably the bile ducts. Diet is preventative, and able to manage symptoms. Not curative. In order to cure the root cause you have to remove the toxic bile that had been circulating throughout your system for decades. the only way for bile to physically leave the human body is through the small intestine/colon. thus, cleaning the intestines is the first step, then the liver. we also need a high fiber diet, this is the prevention.

Hint: The below study doesnt just apply to critically ill people. But ANYONE with any chronic disease.
Circulating bile acids predict outcome in critically ill patients
Jaundice and cholestatic hepatic dysfunction are frequent findings in critically ill patients associated with increased mortality. Cholestasis in critically ill patients is closely associated with stimulation of pro-inflammatory cytokines resulting in impaired bile secretion and subsequent accumulation of bile acids.

Individual and total BAs are elevated by various degrees in different shock conditions. BAs represent an early predictor of short-term survival in a mixed cohort of ICU patients and may serve as marker for early risk stratification in critically ill patients. Future studies should elucidate whether modulation of BA metabolism and signalling influences the clinical course and outcome in critically ill patients.
Circulating bile acids predict outcome in critically ill patients

 

[Nina]

I don’t think its that easy.

 

[jinzo]

I don’t think its that easy.

sorry to disappoint you but it is that simple.

keto diets are proven to manage diseases from acne to autoimmune conditions and cancer. the cause of all these and everything else is chronic autointoxication. inability of the body to expel its own metabolic waste,including homrones. im not promoting a keto diet i never will but the OP explains why it works.

 

[Nina]

sorry to disappoint you but it is that simple.

keto diets are proven to manage diseases from acne to autoimmune conditions and cancer. the cause of all these and everything else is chronic autointoxication. inability of the body to expel its own metabolic waste,including homrones. im not promoting a keto diet i never will but the OP explains why it works.

Even cancer? How?

 

[manu]

So what you are saying is all chronic diseases can be cured by liver flushes.
Not sure but it has helped a lot of people with chronic diseases AFAIK.

 

[MCurtone]

I think there's a lot of variables but it really does start with liver/gallbladder and bile issues. It creates a cascade of effects.

No bile = no digestion and assimilation of nutrients
Small intestine is now prone to SIBO
SIBO leads to heavy endotoxin
Leaky Gut arises -> endotoxin in the blood
Constant inflammation

I've been doing Keto/Carnivore with Coffee Enemas and have also just started doing the liver flushes. Will report my experiences over time.

 

[Nina]

I agree that a keto diet is good for most people, especially sedentary people but it is not a cure all. It really depends on your personal chemistry. Some people (like 80% of the world) would do good on keto i think. 20% need more carbs (athletes, active people etc).

For me personally keto has a lot of benefits (mental and physical energy is amazing on it) but it makes my libido go to zero and i can't lift weights/do sprints on it properly.

 

[MNK99]

keto lots of benefits for me as well.
but energy consistent throughout day necessitates some extra carbs (fitness), as well as liquid carbs in the morning to focus (fueling the attentional tank).
I can do well on either but I get bored and change it up anyways because It's pretty hard coming up with random meal plans all the time (for me).

 

[MCurtone]

I agree that a keto diet is good for most people, especially sedentary people but it is not a cure all. It really depends on your personal chemistry. Some people (like 80% of the world) would do good on keto i think. 20% need more carbs (athletes, active people etc).

For me personally keto has a lot of benefits (mental and physical energy is amazing on it) but it makes my libido go to zero and i can't lift weights/do sprints on it properly.

I can attest to the lowered libido, definitely true. I end up only wanting to have sex once a week as opposed to every 1-3 days. I wonder why this is. But then again, this is perhaps helpful for some PFS people like myself. I do NOT respond well to testosterone increases. My libido rises but my cognitive functions decline. I wonder if this is why keto/carnivore works...It lowers our blood testosterone, but perhaps help with 5ar in the brain and increase the sensitivity of androgen receptors? Not sure. Would be interesting for someone talented to look into that. However, I read that many people have a huge increase in libido on carnivore...especially on meatheals.com. Perhaps this has to do with having PFS.

I can also attest to the poor performance when it comes to sprints and HEAVY lifting. Seems any type of HIIT or intense exercise is more difficult as these are more "explosive" and require carbs/glycogen rather than fat adaptation.

 

[supernature]

as well as liquid carbs in the morning to focus (fueling the attentional tank).

Thats the opposite of what fitness coaches say, carbs make the brain roam, the opposite for protein. Even bodybuilders eat high protein before workout to be on point during the routines instead of wondering around the venue playing with the phone.

 

[MNK99]

I know but, I'm talking about for ADHD and I barely do this, but I notice I focus more. Russel Barkley, check his stuff out.
I kind of lost 100lb in like months as a kid. I'm pretty fit. I've had trash fitness coaches and ones that were pretty good. They told me eat more. Anyways. Just for pure leanness etc, zero carbs. Eventually gotta refeed. Some carbs to me is basically none. I eat way less carbs than 100% of people I know who aren't totally ketogenic. I mean 20g or 40g at 200lb. (now quite a bit less weight but still). It's harder to workout 7x a week at any weight, with zero carbs.

 

[supernature]

A half sneaker bar a day as only carb with 7x a week weight training, are you looking to end yourself ?

For ADHD carbs might have the needed effect on neurotransmitters
i guess.

 

[MNK99]

Basically, I should eat more*** just a habit, and stuff. i can and do at times tho like much of last yr i had 150-250g carbs a day, sometimes 300 when really going hard on the weights. Plus I can only eat like rice, rice noodles, potatoes, and fibrous veg for carbs. I add milk and cheese for more cals and fat and carbs at times, but then regret it a bit.
Sometimes yogurt is fine and cheese like a few x a mo. I ate it all the time as a kid but I wasn't fit till a bit later and then reduced then didn't eat them. Boris also stopped yogurt like 18-20mo ago, not sure if that holds true as of right now.

 

[Nina]

Basically, I should eat more*** just a habit, and stuff. i can and do at times tho like much of last yr i had 150-250g carbs a day, sometimes 300 when really going hard on the weights. Plus I can only eat like rice, rice noodles, potatoes, and fibrous veg for carbs. I add milk and cheese for more cals and fat and carbs at times, but then regret it a bit.
Sometimes yogurt is fine and cheese like a few x a mo. I ate it all the time as a kid but I wasn't fit till a bit later and then reduced then didn't eat them. Boris also stopped yogurt like 18-20mo ago, not sure if that holds true as of right now.

People with ADHD seem to function best on keto or low carb diets though

 

[Canari]

If you lack carbs on keto, eat more lean mean so that you get your glucose from neoglucogénesis.

I started carnivore march 2018 and I am glad now some people take it more seriously as an option...

Bile is excreted when you eat fats, so what is the problem about those bile acids accumulating? What causes it BAs to not be excreted? And on carnivore with enough fats, you do not need fibers! When you heal the guts, I think some plants can be added.

Carnivore and vegan are not extremes that cause one another. They are unfortunately necessary for some people when they are allergic or intolerant to something. I see only vegan as having to do with emotions and sensitivity in a world where we are cut from the life cycles. The only excess in some carnivores would be to say that nobody should eat any plant at all.

 

[Canari]

About libido, yes there are reports of increase. So maybe the diet allows you the libido your body really has the possibility to act upon without further harm?

 

[jinzo]

Even cancer? How?

look at how scientists induce cancer into animals. there are many ways but The easiest and most practical way to do it is by administering a toxic substance(s) chronically and over time tumor forms. This is a fact. Cancer (tumors) in the real world and in real humans is a response to toxic overload. tumor itself is not the disease. it is not trying to kill you. the body does not sabotage itself ever.

cleansing the intestines and liver/gallbladder is the most powerful way to support the body in dealing with toxicity. unless you are actually starved and malnourished, all disease symptoms are due to toxicity overload. why is this so hard for you guys to understand??

 

[jinzo]

 

[jinzo]

So what you are saying is all chronic diseases can be cured by liver flushes.
Not sure but it has helped a lot of people with chronic diseases AFAIK.

did not say that specifically. all disease symptoms are due to toxic overload. the liver/gastrointestinal tract are primary channels for elimination. thats it. when these are working properly the kidneys lunges and skin will work optimally to keep you disease symptom free.

 

[jinzo]

TELL ME WHY YOU DONT GET SIDES FROM FIN/DUT or ACCUTANE or STEROIDS AFTER ONE PILL. YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT CONTINUOUSLY OVER TIME. IT MUST BUILD UP TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD TO TAKE EFFECT. WHAT PRIMARY ORGAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING DOWN DRUGS/CHEMICALS ETC. NATURAL OR SYNTHETIC ITS THE DAMN LIVER. LIVER. YOUR LIVER IS YOUR METABOLISM. YOUR LIVER IS YOUR HEALTH.