Troy log - test results

[Helen]

@Orion when am I gonna see your ferritin test? Haha I am so interested in that

 

[Troy]

@Orion when am I gonna see your ferritin test? Haha I am so interested in that

What do you think about the strategy of taking all bs? Can we short circuit it by mega dosing b2?

I’m just concerned taking all the bs will lower my copper in the short term.

 

[Orion]

@Orion when am I gonna see your ferritin test? Haha I am so interested in that

Stopping all supps in two weeks, then water fasting to end of Nov. Will use only food to refeed in Dec, and will try to get all the labs; blood, urine, B's, etc in Jan and do another hairtest, TEI this time around. That is the plan, probably best to get labs after a long fast and refeed?

 

[Orion]

What do you think about the strategy of taking all bs? Can we short circuit it by mega dosing b2?

I’m just concerned taking all the bs will lower my copper in the short term.

Good talk on B's relationship
First try at Active Protocol and have questions.

 

[Orion]

Some more interesting results, B's take a long time to replenish:

First try at Active Protocol and have questions.

 

[Orion]

@Helen user on phoenix rising states the thiamine HCl and thiamine mononitrate are useless to raise B1, and suggests lipothiamine is the way to go.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[Troy]

Some more interesting results, B's take a long time to replenish:

First try at Active Protocol and have questions.

Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

@Helen Should I wait for my b1 and b2 results before starting any b vitamin protocols?

If I were to start taking bs, should I start off with just b1 and b2 or even just one of them?

 

[Orion]

Another review on B1:
"I was confirmed B1 deficient via SpectraCell Micronutrient testing. We tried for 6 months to fix the deficiency with Thiamine Hcl and thiamine mononitrate. For several months I was taking 400 mg of these two forms, but my inter cellular B1 status never improved. I switched to TTFD Lipothiamine which supposedly bypasses some transport steps and it worked. After 3 months my B1 status is very healthy using 400 mg of Lipothiamine per day. Some of my chronic symptoms appear to be lifting very very slowly. "

 

[Orion]

I think this is why 1600mg on B1 is the recommended dosage for Thiamine HCL per day, systems needs to be saturated for transport to pick up. lower doses are useless unless it is lipothiamine that bypasses transport...

 

[Helen]

@Helen user on phoenix rising states the thiamine HCl and thiamine mononitrate are useless to raise B1, and suggests lipothiamine is the way to go.

Any thoughts on this?

Nonsense

 

[Helen]

Another review on B1:
"I was confirmed B1 deficient via SpectraCell Micronutrient testing. We tried for 6 months to fix the deficiency with Thiamine Hcl and thiamine mononitrate. For several months I was taking 400 mg of these two forms, but my inter cellular B1 status never improved. I switched to TTFD Lipothiamine which supposedly bypasses some transport steps and it worked. After 3 months my B1 status is very healthy using 400 mg of Lipothiamine per day. Some of my chronic symptoms appear to be lifting very very slowly. "

this is because body was trying to get rid of b1 ))

 

[Helen]

I think this is why 1600mg on B1 is the recommended dosage for Thiamine HCL per day, systems needs to be saturated for transport to pick up. lower doses are useless unless it is lipothiamine that bypasses transport...

because you need phosphporus and magnesium to make active b1

you are taking all electrolyes and bs , they are inside of your body alright.

All these people are trying so hard to force something in the body that does not belong there.

I personally would never take lipo b1.

 

[Helen]

Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

@Helen Should I wait for my b1 and b2 results before starting any b vitamin protocols?

If I were to start taking bs, should I start off with just b1 and b2 or even just one of them?

wait . LOL

 

[Troy]

Lol okay, my new squeeze will have to wait a bit too.

 

[Helen]

@Orion

it is not about long time to replenish B1 and B2. it is because you take them, and they start working and this spends them even more. since metabolism starts up.

this is why you need the dosages as I outlined in electrolytes protocol for a while

to chelate garbage toxins, b1 and b2 are used for glutathione

 

[Helen]

@Orion I took b1 for a week, but with cofactors, and it made my hair grow insane on my hands. and arms. so NADPH is working.

And those people on forums just cause themselves phosphorus deficiency/ When they take HCL form alone

 

[Slayo]

About the high zinc on hair test and high cortisol, I think your body is getting rid of zinc as cortisol increase its urinary execretion, so maybe you need both zinc and copper

 

[Troy]

Just been thinking as I wait for my results.

Let’s assume my b1 and b2 come back low.

I didn’t get the other bs tested but a lot of them would likely be low.

My issue is I need to raise my copper. Won’t taking the bs lower my copper? Or is it a necessary evil to lower the copper first by taking bs before it will go higher once the bs have increased?

Or is there only one b vitamin, like say b2, that I need to take which will allow copper to go up. And then when copper is up, I can either supplement the others or my stomach acid will be up then and I can get them from my diet?

@Helen

 

[Helen]

Just been thinking as I wait for my results.

Let’s assume my b1 and b2 come back low.

I didn’t get the other bs tested but a lot of them would likely be low.

My issue is I need to raise my copper. Won’t taking the bs lower my copper? Or is it a necessary evil to lower the copper first by taking bs before it will go higher once the bs have increased?

Or is there only one b vitamin, like say b2, that I need to take which will allow copper to go up. And then when copper is up, I can either supplement the others or my stomach acid will be up then and I can get them from my diet?

@Helen

Troy, we need to see the reason why cortisol is raised

Cortisol rises to get inflammation down, or to get amino acids into the blood.

So it can be raised since you had low stomach acid, or it can be raised since histamine is too high


HIstamines can be too high, since you have lacking copper, or b6 or vitamin C, or histidine. or magnesium

B6 is made by B2.

This is why we have to make sure, is it copper or b2 which is rising your cortisol.


Cortisol was wasting your potassium. thus potassium helps you , but now we have to lower cortisol, otherwise it will waste potassium again.

The nutrients I wrote above needed . But which one is the limiting the the question.


This is why the complete electrolytes protocol would have recovered you already to 100%.


Another possibility that your CORTISOL was too sensitive before. FInasteride made cortisol and AR too much. And thus you have low DHT and was wasting potassium.

 

[Troy]

Troy, we need to see the reason why cortisol is raised

Cortisol rises to get inflammation down, or to get amino acids into the blood.

So it can be raised since you had low stomach acid, or it can be raised since histamine is too high


HIstamines can be too high, since you have lacking copper, or b6 or vitamin C, or histidine. or magnesium

B6 is made by B2.

This is why we have to make sure, is it copper or b2 which is rising your cortisol.


Cortisol was wasting your potassium. thus potassium helps you , but now we have to lower cortisol, otherwise it will waste potassium again.

The nutrients I wrote above needed . But which one is the limiting the the question.


This is why the complete electrolytes protocol would have recovered you already to 100%.


Another possibility that your CORTISOL was too sensitive before. FInasteride made cortisol and AR too much. And thus you have low DHT and was wasting potassium.

Right thanks. And if it’s due to copper being too low, how do we get that up? When my hair test is good and bloods are good.

And my histamines are too high as I react to foods instantly upon chewing all the time.