TubZy Log (cured)

[TubZy]

Hey man, how much rice did you eat per day after breaking the fast? And how many eggs?

The first day just one egg in vegetable broth with half cup of rice.

After that I upped to a cup of rice but still kept only at one egg. Protein is hard to digest so I was trying to keep protein intake low when coming directly off the fast. It wasn't until a week later when my appetite really picked back up heavy again.

 

[TubZy]

Hi TubZy, how are you feeling this morning? Any updates?

Getting the prolactin down picked up my libido and mood much much better again. However still have some adrenaline/cortisol like symptoms.

 

[aztec]

Hi TubZy, how are you feeling this morning? Any updates?

Getting the prolactin down picked up my libido and mood much much better again. However still have some adrenaline/cortisol like symptoms.

Good news TubZy. I am hoping ru is all that is needed and nothing else.

 

[TubZy]

Ordered prami, going to give RU another go soon while concurrently taking prami both during and post RU. Waiting on some more feedback from some of trials going on now.

Gbol also mentioned that post RU, the adrenaline type feeling is from high cortisol, which can be raised when RU is taken for longer periods of time. Prami/caber would both help prevent this issue since they both lower prolactin and cortisol...

 

[TubZy]

came across this 7 year old post from me when it all started, holy crap time flys...lol
hairloss from sd - AnabolicMinds.com

 

[5 alpha]

dam man
2010. that feels like a long time ago

Seven years later you probable know twice as much about any of this than anyone on that anabolic website combined now lol

 

[jacknap]

interesting post from swole source of a guy who had a 100% recovery but then crashed again

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/mens-health-ancillary-medication/2811-explain-science-12.html#post48271

'your losing the battle messing with hormones imo. I had 100% reversal of PFS from using clomid and adex but i ended up crashing myself. I was on TRT at the time so it had nothing to do with clomid boosting T. Something to do with blocking the estrogen receptor somehow switched on my 5AR and i felt DHT again. Voice dropped within a few hours. Progesterone worked for me when i had a serm in my system, but not without. I crashed on progesterone and im still recovering 3 months after.'

 

[TubZy]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=1531 time=1508128413 user_id=57]
dam man
2010. that feels like a long time ago

Seven years later you probable know twice as much about any of this than anyone on that anabolic website combined now lol
[/quote]

hahah probably but that is sad.

A few months later of that post, got on fin for 2.5 years then got off in 2014..then boom pfs lol

 

[TubZy]

interesting post from swole source of a guy who had a 100% recovery but then crashed again

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/mens-health-ancillary-medication/2811-explain-science-12.html#post48271

'your losing the battle messing with hormones imo. I had 100% reversal of PFS from using clomid and adex but i ended up crashing myself. I was on TRT at the time so it had nothing to do with clomid boosting T. Something to do with blocking the estrogen receptor somehow switched on my 5AR and i felt DHT again. Voice dropped within a few hours. Progesterone worked for me when i had a serm in my system, but not without. I crashed on progesterone and im still recovering 3 months after.'

The estrogen part makes sense with Gbol's theory, b/c if you block it, it will upregulate ER (clomid upregulates ER) thus activating DHT again making it sensitive. Then come off it and balance minerals and potassium in the cell again.

 

[jacknap]

here's another dude he claimed 90% recovery when first on SS

and he also said that he got a brief 100% recovery and knew that fin was a progestin and boxed it with other progestin roids. there's some really good shit on SS pre pfs subthread but hard to find cuz u gotta sift through non-pfs stuff to find it..

http://www.swolesource.com/forum/mens-health-ancillary-medication/2811-explain-science.html#post47726

I agree with you, most men wouldn't have a use for it.

Except for men with adrenal fatigue and prostrate issues. Both of which are related to fin as well as perhaps users of deca and other progestin steroids.

It seems to have a balancing effect on hormones. I haven't taken blood tests for two years, but I had exceptional bloods while taking progesterone cream, micro dose letrozole, and dostinex. I had a mini full recovery but then crashed as I got impatient/ambitious and added andractim and seligiline. FWIW. I don't mean to talk about fin here, only science.

I still am curious if one of the scientists on this board wants to chime in.

and
http://www.swolesource.com/forum/mens-health-ancillary-medication/2811-explain-science.html#post47721

 

[TubZy]

My next plans are to most likely give ella a try now, just waiting for it get back in stock on united MD (been waiting for 2 weeks now).

In the meantime, my licorice root came in today and I was planning on starting it tomm replicating what that guy did by just taking it on the weekend and gauging how I feel mid week during the snap back period. I will continue to do that until I get my hands on ella and run that like how expendables did.

I'm going to monitor [mention]Goose12[/mention] progress over the next week or so and if things stick (which seems to be going that way as of now) than I might give RU a shot again but exactly the way you did it (3 day cycle). So all in all, everything is looking pretty solid now.

 

[IHateFin]

My next plans are to most likely give ella a try now, just waiting for it get back in stock on united MD (been waiting for 2 weeks now).

In the meantime, my licorice root came in today and I was planning on starting it tomm replicating what that guy did by just taking it on the weekend and gauging how I feel mid week during the snap back period. I will continue to do that until I get my hands on ella and run that like how expendables did.

I'm going to monitor @Goose12 progress over the next week or so and if things stick (which seems to be going that way as of now) than I might give RU a shot again but exactly the way you did it (3 day cycle). So all in all, everything is looking pretty solid now.

maybe even like a 10mg 3 day ru dose would be good. prog should still tank, estrogen will rise and there should such a small amount of antiandrogen effect that DHT may be able to come back at full glory.

 

[wuf]

My next plans are to most likely give ella a try now, just waiting for it get back in stock on united MD (been waiting for 2 weeks now).

In the meantime, my licorice root came in today and I was planning on starting it tomm replicating what that guy did by just taking it on the weekend and gauging how I feel mid week during the snap back period. I will continue to do that until I get my hands on ella and run that like how expendables did.

I'm going to monitor @Goose12 progress over the next week or so and if things stick (which seems to be going that way as of now) than I might give RU a shot again but exactly the way you did it (3 day cycle). So all in all, everything is looking pretty solid now.

Tubzy, sorry to ask, I remember you told you were doing good on R andro and it gave you some improvements. What do you think about trying that again?

 

[Goose12]

Yes man, I wish I ran the RU like you did the first time, I think I screwed myself towards the 6th-7th day on it (too long). I definitely improved from baseline for sure though so it still did work, but I probably lost a lot of the initial gains from staying on a higher dose for too long, because the first few days on it I felt cured back to normal again.

My next plans are to most likely give ella a try now, just waiting for it get back in stock on united MD (been waiting for 2 weeks now).

In the meantime, my licorice root came in today and I was planning on starting it tomm replicating what that guy did by just taking it on the weekend and gauging how I feel mid week during the snap back period. I will continue to do that until I get my hands on ella and run that like how expendables did.

I'm going to monitor your progress over the next week or so and if things stick than I might give RU a shot again but exactly the way you did it (3 day cycle).

RU is definitely some pretty powerful stuff. I even wonder if 3 days was to long or maybe drop the dose down, but I have been doing pretty good good lately. My only negative were the headaches I had for the first two days after coming off but that could have been a good thing, because after that the snap back started. From what [mention]gbolduev[/mention] said it might be a bad thing if you feel better on ru. If you do you know you have been on too long.

I have ella on the way but I am a little scared to try it after reading gbolduev saying it could be like finasteride if you are not the right case. I ordered mine from https://goldpharma.com and it's taking forever to get. It sat in New York for eight days. Tracking shows it finally left yesterday.

I think licorice is a good idea. Hopefully you get good results.

 

[jacknap]

[mention]TubZy[/mention]

what's your opinion on 5adp in retrospect now?

I'm still just sticking to cdnuts protocol and thinking of adding it in like maxout did being a month out from my fast/cleanse, got back all my strength in the gym.

If I were to use it...

what dose would you recommend?
how often to use it? (cycle it like once a week?)
any dangers from it? (as I fucked myself over from a research chemical, I'm hesitant to pull the triggeR)
is there fillers? (I recall someone saying that his products do have some fillers?)

 

[TubZy]

@TubZy

what's your opinion on 5adp in retrospect now?

I'm still just sticking to cdnuts protocol and thinking of adding it in like maxout did being a month out from my fast/cleanse, got back all my strength in the gym.

If I were to use it...

what dose would you recommend?
how often to use it? (cycle it like once a week?)
any dangers from it? (as I fucked myself over from a research chemical, I'm hesitant to pull the triggeR)
is there fillers? (I recall someone saying that his products do have some fillers?)

I don't use it anymore and haven't used it in a long time. My opinion now is it is just like progesterone, so potentially high dose for a short period then coming off could be beneficial but even gbol said it can act like a progestin, so it really depends

 

[jacknap]

@TubZy

what's your opinion on 5adp in retrospect now?

I'm still just sticking to cdnuts protocol and thinking of adding it in like maxout did being a month out from my fast/cleanse, got back all my strength in the gym.

If I were to use it...

what dose would you recommend?
how often to use it? (cycle it like once a week?)
any dangers from it? (as I fucked myself over from a research chemical, I'm hesitant to pull the triggeR)
is there fillers? (I recall someone saying that his products do have some fillers?)

I don't use it anymore and haven't used it in a long time. My opinion now is it is just like progesterone, so potentially high dose for a short period then coming off could be beneficial but even gbol said it can act like a progestin, so it really depends

why'd you stop using it? I was thinking of using it like once a week on like a saturday for the gaba benefits when I'm out and about picking up girls lol. Kinda like phenibut but it's always better to have different tools in the tool belt cuz tolerance for pheni builds quick. I used to use it 3x a week before I even touched RU58841 and the effects were watered down. once a week or every other week is best to get 80-100% of the high i find for me.

 

[TubZy]

@TubZy

what's your opinion on 5adp in retrospect now?

I'm still just sticking to cdnuts protocol and thinking of adding it in like maxout did being a month out from my fast/cleanse, got back all my strength in the gym.

If I were to use it...

what dose would you recommend?
how often to use it? (cycle it like once a week?)
any dangers from it? (as I fucked myself over from a research chemical, I'm hesitant to pull the triggeR)
is there fillers? (I recall someone saying that his products do have some fillers?)

I don't use it anymore and haven't used it in a long time. My opinion now is it is just like progesterone, so potentially high dose for a short period then coming off could be beneficial but even gbol said it can act like a progestin, so it really depends

why'd you stop using it? I was thinking of using it like once a week on like a saturday for the gaba benefits when I'm out and about picking up girls lol. Kinda like phenibut but it's always better to have different tools in the tool belt cuz tolerance for pheni builds quick. I used to use it 3x a week before I even touched RU58841 and the effects were watered down. once a week or every other week is best to get 80-100% of the high i find for me.

It wore off, I got some good effects during the first week or so, but in the long run it stopped working. I actually posted a study a while back showing how quick the body can adapt to exogenous allopreg, it was super quick. That makes sense since 5a-DHP is the precursor. If you are using it once a week or so, probably fine but for actually recovering from PFS, not sure how helpful it can be in terms of addressing underlying issue unless you can do high dose a cycle it like gbol said about regular progesterone.

Nothing compares to phenibut IMO or even phenibut + caffeine was my fav combo, I love that stuff. Haven't used it in a very long time though, tired of messing with GABA

 

[jacknap]

I don't use it anymore and haven't used it in a long time. My opinion now is it is just like progesterone, so potentially high dose for a short period then coming off could be beneficial but even gbol said it can act like a progestin, so it really depends

why'd you stop using it? I was thinking of using it like once a week on like a saturday for the gaba benefits when I'm out and about picking up girls lol. Kinda like phenibut but it's always better to have different tools in the tool belt cuz tolerance for pheni builds quick. I used to use it 3x a week before I even touched RU58841 and the effects were watered down. once a week or every other week is best to get 80-100% of the high i find for me.

It wore off, I got some good effects during the first week or so, but in the long run it stopped working. I actually posted a study a while back showing how quick the body can adapt to exogenous allopreg, it was super quick. That makes sense since 5a-DHP is the precursor. If you are using it once a week or so, probably fine but for actually recovering from PFS, not sure how helpful it can be in terms of addressing underlying issue unless you can do high dose a cycle it like gbol said about regular progesterone.

Nothing compares to phenibut IMO or even phenibut + caffeine was my fav combo, I love that stuff. Haven't used it in a very long time though, tired of messing with GABA

yeah phenibut is the shit. I wonder if [mention]gbolduev[/mention] knows about it as it is a russian drug.

I'd imagine it uses up magnesium reserves like crazy so have some extra mag on pheni days will probably be a good idea.

I think cycling it once a week would only help with pfs. 1) because of the psychological benefits. 2) the sleep benefits 3) I think it might upregulate allopreg

I feel like I'm on the right path for recovery as I'm seeing steady gains. I'd say I'm like 80% now so now I'm adding more shit to enjoy the journy / possibly speed it up even more.

 

[TubZy]

ella just came in today