Vinegar

[Helen]

Matty

It is not about how much you take, it is about that you should never take it.

I am totally against ACV , there is mother of vinegar there, that is contantly fermenting , and it is not fermenting straight into acetic acid. That is just ridiculous . Chunks of apples are there fermenting
Saying that acetaldehyde is low since it goes into acetic acid, is the same as saying that candida in the body increases just acetic acid, and it is not true.

Plus I am against taking acetic acid.

I thought we are trying to come up with proper recs for people. and I don't think ACV should be part of any recs , especially after the fast. And especially for people who were trying to get rid of candida fermentation problems.

I dont include any fruit for this reason after the fast.

In any case. I will stop arguing this point.

 

[supernature]

If you are not producing acetic acid in the body, you will feel more energy from acetic acid. This does not mean that it is doing you any good, since acetaldehyde is the limiting problem. Exactly, you took away acetic acid and increased acetaldehyde with fruits even more.

I don't like ACV period. or any other vinegar.
I think it kills the fast. That is my opinion, and I outlined why. You never want to take anything with acetaldehyde and acetic acid together. Since this is where 90% have their problem. IN acetaldehyde utilization.

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[Canari]

This connection b/w acetic acid and acetaldehyde seems pretty significant. Thanks for outlining that.

Many years ago they have stated dichloroacetic acid is decreasing tumor size in rats.
DCA - Cancer Cure Discovered - But YOU can't have it....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid

Acetic acid doesnt sem to differ too much from Dichloroacetic acid, what was so helpful in DCA, they decided its efficient in treating tumors, then. Maybe any absence of acetaldehyde availability as it might be in controlled lad environment is the answer.

I do not understand... then acetic acid is GOOD?
What is "controlled lad environment"?

And do you mean there can be acetic acid without the acethaldehyde, and in that case it would be fine? But that this is not the case in common fermentation thus in vinegar?

 

[Canari]

Many years ago they have stated dichloroacetic acid is decreasing tumor size in rats.
DCA - Cancer Cure Discovered - But YOU can't have it....

"Question: I cannot find sodium dichloroacetate. Can I use dichloroacetic acid instead?

Answer: (by Jim T): No. Never use dichloroacetic acid. Dichloroacetic acid is a terribly reactive acid. If you get it on your skin, your skin will start burning within minutes. Do not even think of drinking it. Diluting it will not help. Do not buy it. Even though dichloroacetic acid is prominently displayed on the Canada TV news clip, they did not use the acid! They used it as a precursor to make the dichloroacetate. This is not do-able by any average person. Plus, you have no way to calculate the dosage. And if you mess up on the dosage, you can really harm yourself. Do not buy the acid. Besides, you can get sodium dichloroacetate online, cheap."

 

[supernature]

I do not understand... then acetic acid is GOOD?
What is "controlled lad environment"?

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And do you mean there can be acetic acid without the acethaldehyde, and in that case it would be fine? But that this is not the case in common fermentation thus in vinegar?

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[Helen]

I would not use acetic acid. It grew my tumors like crazy. I tried this DCA bs promotion. Did not get anything but fungus out of it. When you have high acetaldehyde levels, taking acetic acid will make them even higher.

 

[Canari]

"Question: I cannot find sodium dichloroacetate. Can I use dichloroacetic acid instead?

Answer: (by Jim T): No. Never use dichloroacetic acid. Dichloroacetic acid is a terribly reactive acid. If you get it on your skin, your skin will start burning within minutes. Do not even think of drinking it. Diluting it will not help. Do not buy it. Even though dichloroacetic acid is prominently displayed on the Canada TV news clip, they did not use the acid! They used it as a precursor to make the dichloroacetate. This is not do-able by any average person. Plus, you have no way to calculate the dosage. And if you mess up on the dosage, you can really harm yourself. Do not buy the acid. Besides, you can get sodium dichloroacetate online, cheap."

No, no, they say here to buy only the salt!

My bad

Not lad, not bad, but lab! We get it!
(I have to stop vinegar, my humour is very acidic! )

 

[supernature]

I would not use acetic acid. It grew my tumors like crazy. I tried this DCA bs promotion. Did not get anything but fungus out of it. When you have high acetaldehyde levels, taking acetic acid will make them even higher.

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No, no, they say here to buy only the salt!

Not lad, not bad, but lab! We get it!
(I have to stop vinegar, my humour is very acidic! )

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[Canari]

Mod: I thought that vinegar deserved a thread of its own, so I split from the old topic!
When there was 2 subjects in the post, I copied and left part of it in the old thread.

In these people, acetaldehyde accumulates after drinking alcohol, leading to symptoms of acetaldehyde poisoning, including the characteristic flushing of the skin and increased heart and respiration rates.

i got "blushing" hot cheeks sort of feeling around 30 min after a meal consisting of cup of raw greens as salad with 1/2 cap (< 5ml) of raw ACV as a seasoning. Mood is up for a while and feels good as well.

I have not noticed this for myself!
Good side to know about as self-diagnose, but what do you think it means?

If you are not producing acetic acid in the body, you will feel more energy from acetic acid. This does not mean that it is doing you any good, since acetaldehyde is the limiting problem. Exactly, you took away acetic acid and increased acetaldehyde with fruits even more.

I think I want to understand more....

 

[supernature]

Mod: I thought that vinegar deserved a thread of its own, so I split from the old topic!
When there was 2 subjects in the post, I copied and left part of it in the old thread.



I have not noticed this for myself!
Good side to know about as self-diagnose, but what do you think it means?

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[Canari]

Ok, so I tried to give up vinegar and use only lemon juice. No more stomach burn, and I can take my betaine HCl without burning side effect....
I don't know why but that is!
Will see if it sticks.

 

[Legna88]

Matty

It is not about how much you take, it is about that you should never take it.

I am totally against ACV , there is mother of vinegar there, that is contantly fermenting , and it is not fermenting straight into acetic acid. That is just ridiculous . Chunks of apples are there fermenting
Saying that acetaldehyde is low since it goes into acetic acid, is the same as saying that candida in the body increases just acetic acid, and it is not true.

Plus I am against taking acetic acid.

I thought we are trying to come up with proper recs for people. and I don't think ACV should be part of any recs , especially after the fast. And especially for people who were trying to get rid of candida fermentation problems.

I dont include any fruit for this reason after the fast.

In any case. I will stop arguing this point.

@gbolduev Apples are a very rich source of malic acid. ACV is made from apples. So ACV should be a rich source of malic acid and not acetic acid, right? What am I missing in my reasoning?

 

[DrivenToRecover]

So whats the best way to make bone broth without any type of vinegar? Malic Acid instead?

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

Strange how this thread pops up right when i was considering ACV to rinse my hair...
@Helen do you think that ACV may be dangerous even if used topically? And why?
Also, you say you tested ACV and found there's a lot of lead in it: i'd like to watch the labs data.

About the internal, daily use, i found a study about a woman who ended in the hospital with bone loss and other things due to daily, prolonged use of acv, like 250 ml daily.

ps. do you also have a tumor? did i read well?

 

[Go_faster_Sonic]

i just read that low amounts 1- 2 tsp, three times per day diluted in 250ml water, improves mineral metabolism and especiallyt calcium metabolism, it keeps calcium in solution and calcium goes where it is needed, bones, teeth etc., people lose fat mass but dont lose weight because calcium is being deposited to where it belongs... very interesting.. also you can brush your teeth with a solution of 200ml water + 1 tsp. ACV... it will keep them white and tartar free

animals that are fed ACV give birth to extremely healthy offspring, humans as well

got studies to show me? thanks

 

[Reverse]

Even vinegar is a controversy smh...
Too much lead in the apples?

Is it atleast OK to clean fruits and vegetables with vinegar?

I read that cleaning with water isn't enough to get rid of pesticides.