Which acids are good for stomach? How to use acids like HCl?

[barbaar]

Got it, yeah keep upping the HCL until you, maybe add in cysteine and histidine as well in the hcl form

I will! Just ordered some cysteine HCL, I already have histidine on hand but haven't tried it yet. Once it's here I'll add those two in.

 

[Canari]

felt a little warmth soon after, but still nothing too noticeable.

Don't be too eager to feel warmth, for me it is painful with spasms of the stomach!
What is strange is that I cannot take too much hcl though I need it due to the result of low phosphorus. And I can digest protein "seemingly well". My problem is with starch most of all.
...and hcl is made for proteins mostly.

I have no apparent digestion issues

Same for protein here, BUT I do not put on muscles, so I think I do not get my amino-acids well from food.

 

[Aleksandr]

I just use this. I measure out 500mg and dump it into a big glass of water let it dissolve and drink it with a straw immediately after meals. I used to use capsules in the past but the effect is much much better doing it liquid way like gbol suggests. It works way quicker too.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00G..._SY340_QL65&keywords=betaine+hcl+powder&psc=1

Im gonna give this a go!!

 

[esp90]

I have fasted really long fasts, I measured ABG VBGs after on different refeeds. I see this situation completely differently.

I never go out of the fast on greens alone. one time I did that I put myself into crazy alkalosis. Green juices, greens are alkaline. And put you into alkalosis, same as drinking organic acids, like malic acid, citric, succinic. HCL, hydroniums are different it is a strong acid and instead of rising bicarbonate it will kill it.

People including me dont utilize Co2 properly, that is why we have compensation with met alkalosis. This is why when people eat less and eat greens this compensation gets even stronger. And then feel better. C02 production decreases and bicarbonate gets even higher.

the problem with HCL is that , HCL hits on this compensation very hard and lowers your potassium.


This is where the alkaline waters came around. Most people are with this Co2 problems, and alkaline waters basically do the same thing as greens in this respect. and breathing. They increase metabolic part of the compensation. Which increases potassium in the cell.

Zinc does the same.





Also HCL does nothing for the protein digestion. It is just a first step of breaking down protein. You need catalitic triad to even make the enzymes to get amino acids.

This is why in zinc finger protocol there is wobenzym. And catalitic triad aminos.

this is why I am asking not to use tons of HCL. it is worthless and will lower your thyroid effect.

"And put you into alkalosis, same as drinking organic acids, like malic acid, citric, succinic. HCL, hydroniums are different it is a strong acid and instead of rising bicarbonate it will kill it." Is he saying that citric acid, malic acid will put you in alkalosis?

 

[Namelk]

I was taking 2 tablespoons of organic apple vinegar, is that bad then?

 

[Latapy]

I see that Betaine in powder form is the preferable option. However, it seems not every one have access to it.

I wonder if those that contain Pepsin is something to concern.
Most people here are probably taking Betaine HCl that contains Pepsin.

I once read this from 4 Common Betaine HCl Mistakes

"There’s a huge selection of Betaine HCl supplements on the market right now. The strange thing is many don’t contain Pepsin.​

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The above screencap is part of one of my crazy digestion mind maps. In it, you should see that a stomach that doesn’t produce enough HCl also won’t make enough pepsin.​

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And without pepsin… we can’t break down proteins into the peptides required for proper absorption (that’s really important).​

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I will say, I have read a few examples of people that were sensitive to pepsin and if that’s the case for you, taking a Betaine HCl supplement without pepsin could help. However, from what I can tell in the literature it’s extremely rare.​

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So, if you’re taking Betaine HCl without pepsin, you may be wasting a lot of money and not seeing the full benefit you could experience from using one that does contain pepsin."​

According to them, pepsin seems like a must thing to have when supplementing Betaine HCl.
Though, I don't know what they mean by being "sensitive to pepsin"...

Also, recalling what Tyw said about it on RPF (Metabolic Efficiency And Metabolic Rate - Doubt):

Personally, I do not experience a difference between pepsin-containing or non-pepsin-containing Betaine HCL. 30 gram doses usually means just under 60 capsules a day of most over-the-counter supplements. This is the kind of dose that I've taken before to get rid of infections. At the longest, I've used such a dose for a month to clear up quite a serious infection (picked up during travel

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IMO however, the active ingredient is the Betaine HCL, and addition of pepsin is not necessary, and is a potential risk factor is some individuals. eg: there are some potential contra-indications to esophageal damage with high dose Pepsin + NSAIDS (like aspirin) + pre-existing lower esophageal sphincter dysfunction.​

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Here, I know Betaine HCl is the main thing that we want to focus on, but I wonder if Pepsin is something to worry about or not.