Why fasting AND taking high progesterone?

[bruschi11]

My first 3 day and 14 day water fasts were very hard, the 3-4 day low carb flu at the start is hard to push through. One real issue I found is the very real lack of energy as the fast goes on, I likened it to the wintersleep our old ancestors must have worked through in hunter/gatherer times. Just rest and walk if possible, or get in the ocean like gbolduev

Currently heading into day 5 on my third fast (doing 1 week water fast with high dose Prog, then 5 weeks Breuss), much much easier this time around, body settled in with no hunger issues and no low carb flu, except my eyes get somewhat bloodshot.

What is the reason for the high dose prog? I am starting my 21 days of Breuss tomorrow. I actually have a lot of prog at home, may consider using it.

 

[Orion]

My first 3 day and 14 day water fasts were very hard, the 3-4 day low carb flu at the start is hard to push through. One real issue I found is the very real lack of energy as the fast goes on, I likened it to the wintersleep our old ancestors must have worked through in hunter/gatherer times. Just rest and walk if possible, or get in the ocean like gbolduev

Currently heading into day 5 on my third fast (doing 1 week water fast with high dose Prog, then 5 weeks Breuss), much much easier this time around, body settled in with no hunger issues and no low carb flu, except my eyes get somewhat bloodshot.

What is the reason for the high dose prog? I am starting my 21 days of Breuss tomorrow. I actually have a lot of prog at home, may consider using it.

Its one of the protocols for high cellular potassium and also too many Prog receptors(low blood prog). Which seems to be one of the post accutane cases. My hair test was high potassium, and I still have skin issues post accutane(meaning retinoic pathway or Prog is not working correctly). So the high Prog is an experiment to see if it will make Prog more sensitive via lower the amount of receptors... long fasts are supposed to help reset this too, 14 day water reset it for 2 weeks but didn't stick(did not use Prog on that fast). Trying full 40 day Bruess and incorporating Prog at the beginning.

 

[Nighteyes]

My first 3 day and 14 day water fasts were very hard, the 3-4 day low carb flu at the start is hard to push through. One real issue I found is the very real lack of energy as the fast goes on, I likened it to the wintersleep our old ancestors must have worked through in hunter/gatherer times. Just rest and walk if possible, or get in the ocean like gbolduev

Currently heading into day 5 on my third fast (doing 1 week water fast with high dose Prog, then 5 weeks Breuss), much much easier this time around, body settled in with no hunger issues and no low carb flu, except my eyes get somewhat bloodshot.

What is the reason for the high dose prog? I am starting my 21 days of Breuss tomorrow. I actually have a lot of prog at home, may consider using it.

Its one of the protocols for high cellular potassium and also too many Prog receptors(low blood prog). Which seems to be one of the post accutane cases. My hair test was high potassium, and I still have skin issues post accutane(meaning retinoic pathway or Prog is not working correctly). So the high Prog is an experiment to see if it will make Prog more sensitive via lower the amount of receptors... long fasts are supposed to help reset this too, 14 day water reset it for 2 weeks but didn't stick(did not use Prog on that fast). Trying full 40 day Bruess and incorporating Prog at the beginning.

Dont you mean LOWER the sensitivity by lowering the amount of receptors? The same thing could be accomplished with licorice root as mentioned in other threads?

 

[Orion]

I think the context is that by lowering the amount of receptors, you make Prog work with less, so it is highly sensitive... play on words, my understanding may be incorrect though

Ya been thinking of testing licorice, but never tested for high sodium on a hair test, but did test for high potassium;

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"And I think this is where licorice comes into play. Estrogen raises sodium in the cell. So, if sodium is already high, estrogen can’t become sensitive. Licorice lowers aldosterone sensitivity and when you get off, sodium actually falls and estrogen is raised which makes DHT sensitive

antagonizing or agonizing progesterone can do the same thing. Since progesterone effects potassium. And if potassium is high aldosterone becomes super-sensitive and if potassium is low aldosterone becomes super insensitive. So, you can say also that progesterone screws up, effects aldosterone sensitivity afterwards which does not allow DHT to work. I basically outline this connection in the theory before. But I think we need to concentrate on this also.

there could be too cases here as I said before. If he has high potassium in the blood. and low insulin. means zinc deficiency is likely. since zinc is what will make insulin. If he had low insulin and low potassium, that is understandable.

If potassium is low in the cell, usually you have high progesterone. If potassium is high low progesterone. or you can have simply low progesterone on its own since zinc is deficient and body can’t make insulin. and this stops from producing progesterone, since progesterone will require sugar in the cell, but if there is no insulin, then no sugar.
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[mattyb]

Typically if the serum hormone is low, then receptor sensitivity is high (lots of receptors = high sensitivity).

Typically if the serum hormone is high, then receptor sensitivity is low (few receptors = low sensitivity).

BUT that's oversimplified and just often a general trend. Ultimately receptor sensitivity is about demand, not supply. For example, if you fast cortisol goes super high, but you actually become more sensitive to cortisol because every cell needs it to function during a fast. So in that case, it would be high serum hormone, and high receptor sensitivity. Then once you go off the fast you are left with high receptor sensitivity.

So increasing sensitivity is much more about increasing the demand for said hormone than lowering the supply of it.

 

[vicecaz]

How would you increase the demand for progesterone for example matty ?
since prog blockers / anti progestin such as Ella, RU or a few herbs are here to lower the supply, what do we have to increase the demand in case lowering supply doesn't work ?

 

[mattyb]

How would you increase the demand for progesterone for example matty ?
since prog blockers / anti progestin such as Ella, RU or a few herbs are here to lower the supply, what do we have to increase the demand in case lowering supply doesn't work ?

Not sure how to increase demand for prog in men honestly, the only way I know of is to lower serum prog temporarily or block receptor prog binding temporarily. For women it's easy, either get pregnant or ovulate. The problem in men is that luteinizing hormone is produced because testosterone is needed, whereas in women LH is surged because progesterone is needed.

I think most men don't naturally rely on prog too much to control intracellular potassium levels, which is why I think progestins mess men up so much. Men seem to rely much more on fluctuations of aldosterone to control intracellular minerals compared to women.

Admittedly though, I am not an expert on progesterone regulation. It is definitely outside of my field and I am learning about it slowly.

 

[Shadow]

How would you increase the demand for progesterone for example matty ?
since prog blockers / anti progestin such as Ella, RU or a few herbs are here to lower the supply, what do we have to increase the demand in case lowering supply doesn't work ?

Not sure how to increase demand for prog in men honestly, the only way I know of is to lower serum prog temporarily or block receptor prog binding temporarily. For women it's easy, either get pregnant or ovulate. The problem in men is that luteinizing hormone is produced because testosterone is needed, whereas in women LH is surged because progesterone is needed.

I think most men don't naturally rely on prog too much to control intracellular potassium levels, which is why I think progestins mess men up so much. Men seem to rely much more on fluctuations of aldosterone to control intracellular minerals compared to women.

Admittedly though, I am not an expert on progesterone regulation. It is definitely outside of my field and I am learning about it slowly.

This are interesting stuff! On the PSSDForum a woman tried Ella and felt nothing! Let me ask you something, is it right to assume that females have much more prog receptors? If yes, women with PSSD will need higher doses of Ella right?

 

[mattyb]

This are interesting stuff! On the PSSDForum a woman tried Ella and felt nothing! Let me ask you something, is it right to assume that females have much more prog receptors? If yes, women with PSSD will need higher doses of Ella right?

I honestly have no idea. I would assume women have a much higher prog receptor count, but I don't know for sure. I also don't know if Ella would be helpful or not. Sorry.