Why we no longer discuss Ella / RU?

[snowball]

We talked about Ella /Ru initially however not seeing new trials anymore. Comparing it with R-andro, is R-andro offering better results? Less sides?

FYI - I have tried Ella (1/10th , single dose) as well as RU. With Ella, I went back to pre-PFS for a week and then started getting PFS symptoms however still retained mental calmness that I got from it.

 

[RebelWithACause]

We talked about Ella /Ru initially however not seeing new trials anymore. Comparing it with R-andro, is R-andro offering better results? Less sides?

FYI - I have tried Ella (1/10th , single dose) as well as RU. With Ella, I went back to pre-PFS for a week and then started getting PFS symptoms however still retained mental calmness that I got from it.

I think most people got a bit better using it but did not get fixed. Plus Minime got fucked up on it. So it has dangers fucking with RU/Ella. Not sure how it compares to R-Andro.

 

[joekool]

Good topic, I'll share two points

1) on my 9th day on RU (mifepristone) I had the best morning wood I had in ages prior to that, that was my final day. I remember music being more enjoyable too while on it...
2) It led me down the path of progesterone investigation. Trying different things.

R-Andro converts to DHT so it's a different pathway but, since I'm still big on hormones, I have since moved to proviron which is pure dht and helpful *only* if you're responding to androgens again. Anavar tests too... still more info to come tho

 

[Ingeno]

The minute I took Ella my libido came back instantly, so something to do with the progesterone receptors. Also had a very happy mood, it didn't stick so I probably needed something that does the opposite of Ella and get the snapback. Ella is a modulator so no clue in what state my progesterone receptors were back then.

 

[JasonSky]

Honestly I just don't think it's worth it messing around with Ella or RU. They both had very limited success on the forum, and you can risk just causing more imbalance in the long run imo.
Personally I tried Ella on a three day cycle, and it really didn't do much for me besides maybe give me a bit more libido temporarily. But even that may have just been placebo.

 

[PFStinks]

I think most people got a bit better using it but did not get fixed. Plus Minime got fucked up on it. So it has dangers fucking with RU/Ella. Not sure how it compares to R-Andro.

Didn't you get fixed with Ella for a while, and then ruin it by taking steroids so soon after being cured?

 

[RebelWithACause]

Didn't you get fixed with Ella for a while, and then ruin it by taking steroids so soon after being cured?

No I was not fixed from it. I felt better and got the flu. After that I had a higher baseline but still felt very bad. But this higher baseline made me think I was cured because I did not have panic and high anxiety as much. So yes it helped but I would say out 10-20%. I still had a lot of issues and the anxiety was not 100% gone. I was kinda delusional and mentally ill to be honest. I could not think straight.

The anabolic steroids definitely made me worse being on it. Dead tired on it and afterwards I was worse I think than before using them. Made me even more mentally ill afterwards. Just completely fucked up lol.

So Ella might have given me something but it was too small to make it worth the risk. I would rather do Tribulus or R-Andro since this really seems to help people. Instead of getting a small increase in baseline. And look at the guy Minime he fucked himself up from it.

 

[joekool]

What was your dose on juice @RebelWithACause

 

[bruschi11]

I had one really nice RU cycle followed by prog and anti-prolactin drug. But I’d recommend l-dopa rather than an anti-prolactin drug.

 

[brix]

Ella had the biggest impact on me. Only did one 3 day cycle but brought up all sexual sides to a higher baseline. TEI has been better for that but took 2-3 months

 

[RebelWithACause]

What was your dose on juice @RebelWithACause

I die 250mg test w masteron ensnthate and dianabol. I think the dianabol made me worst mostly

EDIT: I actually went up to 400mg of test-e a week after 4 weeks or so. I think dosage of masteron enanthate was 300mg a week. Dianabol not sure. Was popping 50mg a day I think for 2 weeks. Then stopped since it made me worse and my hair started shedding.

I started with 250mg test-e. I felt good for 1 day, then crashed again. So decided to add in masteron enanthate to see if it would do something. Nothing. Then added Dianabol 50MG. Which did elevate my mood a bit but felt horrible brainfog and not androgenic at all. So overall complete useless. Never had one good day on it except the first day I injected it. I was still on it for 10 weeks. So it was not like the drugs still had to kick in like you sometimes hear on forums.

Was a lot stronger in my lifts especially upper body like bench press and shoulder press. That is the only "benefit" I would say. On dianabol I benched my max for 10 reps easily. So the drugs did work on the CNS/strength level but not in the brain.

 

[snowball]

All good inputs.. Anyone got f***** with randro?

 

[Aflac94]

I know it’s been tried else where but anyone here try pregnenolone alone, or progresterone alone.

I have a small window to experiment , I always wanted to try those two and I have them on hand. Don’t want to fuck up progress tho

After this window I’ll be going on mineral route / TEI long term , so it’s now or never probably

 

[snowball]

@Aflac94 ..Have you tried R-andro?

 

[MNK99]

All good inputs.. Anyone got f***** with randro?

I mean surely some people somewhere got screwed over with any number and type of random prohoromones.
However, randro and 4andro cause slight suppression. I'm not normal, but surely took above the dose for : anavar, randro, 4andro, ella, ru, etc...
--> and was fine. Probably suboptimal for a week or 2 at times, but bounced back.

--> I'm a risk taker tho*, and should be more controlled and have been since then (I'm talking months , months ago, years ago, last week etc. I became more mature, less stupid risks. Maybe not. I don't know whatever man).

-SOmetimes too much randro/4andro and even PCT, even herbs to a lesser extent made me too hypersexual or caused prostate pain/ sensitivity.. possibly also blood vessel thickening/palpitations/ out of breath Not sure, that last parts probably nicotine. --also I fought a few people and was a loose cannon (even moreso).

-COULD it temporarily worsen PFS? I'd say possibly. Anything's possible.

 

[Aflac94]

@Aflac94 ..Have you tried R-andro?

Yes , felt great on it. Still evaluating how I feel off it, as of now not much worse or better, about the same as before taking it, maybe a little bit better. I’ll update log when I reach a conclusion

 

[MNK99]

--Slowly edges you up to higher baselines, for those that use it. Like I probably felt 60-70% for a week or two but was really 40% then 50% etc. But slowly over time, the prohormones/pct helped a lot.

-Miss being very jacked and immune to injuries a bit more, versus just very lean and fit. --tho I overtrained like crazy last year, and really don't have the time, and it's hard to keep that up. Still working out 4-6x a week, but only calisthenics. Maybe some weights this week.

 

[snowball]

I’m in low DHT/high estrogen cohort (Dutch results.
Before going with 2nd TEI cycle thinking of R andro - not tried it yet..

With R andro, what else do you take to support prohormone cycle?

 

[snowball]

And where you bought R andro from? One of the websites the deliver to Canada (strong supplements) has “R andro Shred” - is that what we should use? @MNK99 @Aflac94

 

[Walker]

And where you bought R andro from? One of the websites the deliver to Canada (strong supplements) has “R andro Shred” - is that what we should use? @MNK99 @Aflac94

www.ironmaglabs.com

Order the Super R Andro Rx there if they'll ship to Canada. If not, buy this Super R Andro Rx from another retailer.