Why we no longer discuss Ella / RU?

[snowball]

www.ironmaglabs.com

Order the Super R Andro Rx there if they'll ship to Canada. If not, buy this Super R Andro Rx from another retailer.

Thanks..They do not ship to Canada so still figuring out a retailer

 

[Walker]

Thanks..They do not ship to Canada so still figuring out a retailer

Bummer.

You may have a hard time finding from a 3rd Party retailer. Rumor has it, IML (the vendor) is no longer making batches of the Super R Andro Rx prohormone. So what they are currently selling may be the last of it.

Maybe try Ebay? Or if you have any close contacts in the USA, you can always ship to them and them ship to you if they're willing to do so.

 

[snowball]

Bummer.

You may have a hard time finding from a 3rd Party retailer. Rumor has it, IML (the vendor) is no longer making batches of the Super R Andro Rx prohormone. So what they are currently selling may be the last of it.

Maybe try Ebay? Or if you have any close contacts in the USA, you can always ship to them and them ship to you if they're willing to do so.

Yes, checking eBay and will try forwarding service if eBay does not pan out.

 

[snowball]

Out of stock on eBay - so left with package forwarding service option for now

 

[MNK99]

Not sure which... But there are powders online. Whatever Trump bought.
Also some pretty similar products on Strong supps .com (not sure which, but they do exist or did a while ago).

 

[joekool]

And where you bought R andro from? One of the websites the deliver to Canada (strong supplements) has “R andro Shred” - is that what we should use? @MNK99 @Aflac94

Be aware, there's two versions of Reduced Andro:

3β-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one <- tends to be cheaper but I didn't react to it so I don't recommend this one
3a-enanthoxy-5a-androstan-17-one <- this is the one in R-andro by IML and the one that works.

 

[Carsot8]

Be aware, there's two versions of Reduced Andro:

3β-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one <- tends to be cheaper but I didn't react to it so I don't recommend this one
3a-enanthoxy-5a-androstan-17-one <- this is the one in R-andro by IML and the one that works.

That first one you said doesn't work is because it's epiandrosterone. Completely different hormone and it's known to be kinda shitty and not as potent as regular androsterone(the second one you mentioned.

 

[TubZy]

in the end, RU wasn't tested that good due to limited research, safety, cost and time length/dosing. A study just came out showing that it takes high doses of RU for multiple days (7 days straight to be exact) to actual make a lasting impact on the body. Not many of us tried very high doses for long periods of time and accordingly to the study the drug is rapidly degrade and poorly penetrates the blood brain barrier hence the huge doses requred. However, a few ppl stop using RU b/c it the end you will probably end up unbalanced and your hair will be gone again (if it does end up fixing PFS for good or not). So most ppl rather spend their time on TEI or nutritional balancing and fix everything instead. I also personally didn't experiment with it at super high doses for longer periods of time due to cost as well, not sure it would be worth dumping like clos to a grand for something experimental when other ppl here can get it from their countries for very cheap.
Resetting the Stress System with a Mifepristone Challenge. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[jinstewart]

This looks like a better thread for pondering this. As per the study above, I'm very tempted to try and abort my PFS baby with this.

I'll need to inform myself of the risks and read/research a little more, but funds no issue and I'd quite like to take one for the team here if I'm in a position to help.

First question is would I want to take potassium with it or am I looking to absolutely tank that?

It *looks* safe enough for a punt, on the surface of it. Medical blurb from the leaflet on dosages/side effects has:

The recommended starting dose is 300 mg, by mouth, once daily. The dose of mifepristone may be increased to a maximum of 1200 mg once daily. The maximum dose is limited to 600 mg in kidney or liver impairment.

1.2g??? You gotta be DOUBLE-pregnant for that?

Also is this predicted (if it does anything) to cure the whole lot or just mental sides?

Any bloods or anything anyone wants me to test before this?

Some info.

 

[TubZy]

This looks like a better thread for pondering this. As per the study above, I'm very tempted to try and abort my PFS baby with this.

I'll need to inform myself of the risks and read/research a little more, but funds no issue and I'd quite like to take one for the team here if I'm in a position to help.

First question is would I want to take potassium with it or am I looking to absolutely tank that?

It *looks* safe enough for a punt, on the surface of it. Medical blurb from the leaflet on dosages/side effects has:


1.2g??? You gotta be DOUBLE-pregnant for that?

Also is this predicted (if it does anything) to cure the whole lot or just mental sides?

Any bloods or anything anyone wants me to test before this?

Some info.

No just the RU only if you do plan to experiment with it. Just search RU486 or mifepristone on the forum there is a ton of info on it. If it works it would cure everything for PFS which we originally anticipated since it could resensitize cortisol and progesterone since it acts as a strong cortisol antagonist.. This is just from the research though and still speculation. A few of us felt cured while on it when we tried but didn't last but most of us took very low doses like less than 100mg only for a few days which goes against what the study shows is needed to permanently reset anything. Again this is an experiment so I would advise you read the info on the forum about it as well.

If you can do bloods pre and post cycle that would be awesome though

 

[jinstewart]

Roger that Boris. Yep, I'll do this. It might take me a while to get bloods done - what you recommend I test pre/post? I'm guessing at least test, free test, SHBG, cortisol and progesterone.

I'll be doing much more reading. And that is, reading until *I* understand what I'm up to, so might take a couple weeks at least. Hope that's alright. Anyone who fancies helping out sourcing and posting enough RU would be aces (I'll pay for it ofc.) If not I'll be internet pharmacy chasing.

@Helen you have any thoughts on this malarkey?



EDIT - just in case, ALLEGEDLY these folks will accept and arrange payment by PayPal if you ALLEGEDLY ask them: Buy Abortion pill online USA | Order Mifepristone and Misoprostol kit

12x200mg for $583 if I'm ordering this right. I'll buy the remaining days too.

Website says "Hormonal, which is accountable to cause pregnancy, is get chunked by this pill."

Fuckin' right it is. Let's chunk my hormonal up boys.



EDIT 10/5/19 - Some random bloods came in from a test I did Saturday:

Test - 20 (8.64-29)
Test/Cortisol Ratio - 0.05
Cortisol - 411 (166-507)

Actually I'm not looking too bad in those terms. Unless I hear back from any of the veteran posters here I'll order the following to do pre and post-mifepristone week:

Bundle of Oestradiol, Progesterone & Prolactin.

Bundle of DHEA-S, FSH, LH, Test, Free Test (calc), SHBG, FAI, Oestradiol, Prolactin, Albumin.

I mean, I'm already satisfied this is safe* to attempt at least. I'll get the tests done, could even have everything done by the end of June.

It's a good experiment I'm happy to do and adopt all risk for. And just while I'm on it DEAR GOD PLEASE LET THIS WORK AND WE'LL CLOSE THE BOOK ON ALL THESE SUICIDES.

 

[jinstewart]

This is moving way way quicker than I thought! So, yeah.

Bloods I'll collect Friday AM. RU should be in my hand by the weekend.

Pencilling in Sunday 26th or Monday 27th for kickoff. That's the most convenient time regarding work if it makes me a little spacey or grumpy.

@Helen, sorry to bug you sir but do you have any suggestions on this? Pre/during/post supplements to use in addition?

...Anyone else excited?

 

[RebelWithACause]

This is moving way way quicker than I thought! So, yeah.

Bloods I'll collect Friday AM. RU should be in my hand by the weekend.

Pencilling in Sunday 26th or Monday 27th for kickoff. That's the most convenient time regarding work if it makes me a little spacey or grumpy.

@Helen, sorry to bug you sir but do you have any suggestions on this? Pre/during/post supplements to use in addition?

...Anyone else excited?

Yea dude

You doing high dosage right? Most guys did well on the lower dosages but Minime had some adverse side effects (after using RU for 3 days) like going bald within a few weeks.

It has risks so you know. But all these experimental protocols have risks. Sometimes you have to take risks but be aware of it.

 

[jinstewart]

Yea dude

You doing high dosage right? Most guys did well on the lower dosages but Minime had some adverse side effects (after using RU for 3 days) like going bald within a few weeks.

It has risks so you know. But all these experimental protocols have risks. Sometimes you have to take risks but be aware of it.

Yup, I'm fully aware there are potential risks. From reading around Minime had Hashimoto's, which I'm fairly sure I don't have. As you rightly point out yes, it's defo uncharted territory, but well below the fatal dose, and it's even a third of the daily maximum dose.

I'd like to give something back by taking one for the team, and if Jack17 and the rest are brave enough for fin/avodart I'll try this out.

As it stands now, I'll eat as normal, try to exercise as normal, but unless Helen/others recommend then it'll be 200mg 7am + 200mg 7pm for 7 days.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yup, I'm fully aware there are potential risks. From reading around Minime had Hashimoto's, which I'm fairly sure I don't have. As you rightly point out yes, it's defo uncharted territory, but well below the fatal dose, and it's even a third of the daily maximum dose.

I'd like to give something back by taking one for the team, and if Jack17 and the rest are brave enough for fin/avodart I'll try this out.

As it stands now, I'll eat as normal, try to exercise as normal, but unless Helen/others recommend then it'll be 200mg 7am + 200mg 7pm for 7 days.

Yes and maybe get bloodwork while taking the stuff? And after. If that is possible for you. Then people can see what the drug does in your body.

 

[TubZy]

Yup, I'm fully aware there are potential risks. From reading around Minime had Hashimoto's, which I'm fairly sure I don't have. As you rightly point out yes, it's defo uncharted territory, but well below the fatal dose, and it's even a third of the daily maximum dose.

I'd like to give something back by taking one for the team, and if Jack17 and the rest are brave enough for fin/avodart I'll try this out.

As it stands now, I'll eat as normal, try to exercise as normal, but unless Helen/others recommend then it'll be 200mg 7am + 200mg 7pm for 7 days.

I think it would be better to take the take the 200mg together. So 400mg at once to make sure it helps get across the blood brain barrier. It has a decent half life so dosing once a day should be okay. I mean women take 200mg a day to induce an abortion so 400mg a day isn't really that much more as especially as male as well.

On Ray Peat forum, Haidut mentioned taking 600mg of RU in one dose as well based on another study he saw so 400mg isn't really that high, but of course it is an experiment just like anything else. @Helen

 

[jinstewart]

Yes and maybe get bloodwork while taking the stuff? And after. If that is possible for you. Then people can see what the drug does in your body.

I will do - I planned on only bloods before and after, but maybe day 4 I'll also run the collection of DHEA-S, FSH, LH, Test, Free Test (calc), SHBG, FAI, Oestradiol, Prolactin, Albumin and throw in cortisol too. After it's done, I'll doubtless take a morning off rejoicing in the miracle cure and a week or two following run the same again plus DHT.

 

[jinstewart]

I think it would be better to take the take the 200mg together. So 400mg at once to make sure it helps get across the blood brain barrier. It has a decent half life so dosing once a day should be okay. I mean women take 200mg a day to induce an abortion so 400mg a day isn't really that much more as especially as male as well

Just missed you there! Okay then, we'll call it 400mg AM for 7 days.

 

[Helen]

@Boris the thing is that some of the guys felt good WHILE ON RU. I assume since it kills NADPH.

What study are you referring to about RU? about adrenal addisons for women?

 

[TubZy]

@Boris the thing is that some of the guys felt good WHILE ON RU. I assume since it kills NADPH.

What study are you referring to about RU? about adrenal addisons for women?

No this study Blocking Cortisol May Treat Alcohol "addiction"

The dosage was 600mg a day as well of RU if you read it

The other study I mentioned was about the 7 day RU dose of resetting cortisol once ceasing it which is the one that is one
Resetting the Stress System with a Mifepristone Challenge. - PubMed - NCBI