Yeah the days i pushed zinc, I'd wake up the next day in the morning and my upper frame would look way bigger and wider than normal without eating anything extra to than I normally do. Also made my face a lot better looking more symmetrical, more handsome and masculine, hunter style closed eyes. For all those people doing "looks maxing" they should just do hg7, hg7 is basically looks maxing without having to take or do stuff that specifically changes your looks.
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Its just a slow oxidizer protocol, probably why he also smokes which keeps metabolic rate higher as well. If a fast oxidizer does that lol it will be a disaster.
I said it before it would be great if more people from lowtoxinforum came here and mix knowledge from everything together.
Because that HG7 protocol guy doesn't seem to be open to anything outside of that. I get it it works well for him, but he should realize that everyone has completely different biochemistry going on..
Because that HG7 protocol guy doesn't seem to be open to anything outside of that. I get it it works well for him, but he should realize that everyone has completely different biochemistry going on..
Thats not true, there are fast oxidisers on the lowtoxinforum who have had really good results from hg7, actually it might even work better for fast oxidisers. Also one of the fast oxidisers who had good results with it was a hair test practitioner and he seems to prefer hg7 to regular mineral balancing
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Interesting. I do know Watts or someone who was the first creator of hair testing he recommended zinc and Bs for fast oxidizers. So who knows.
But also there's many different type of fast oxidizers and the cause from it. You could lose a lot of zinc because your body makes progesterone with it to make cortisol for example. Which means you are pushing the system too much anyways and zinc loss will stop when system slows down. Just as an example. There's so many different cases.
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Thats what I do, I found the TEI slow oxidiser supplements work way better now since getting out some iron and copper with hg7.
Basically TEI for slow oxidisers is more about using your iron and copper by turning your metabolism on, but it doesn't really get rid of them and out the body that well. And lets say you have too much iron in your body like I do, then all TEI/raising oxidation does is cause oxidative stress and raises glutamate levels which causes stuff like social anxiety, which in the long run doesn't do much about fixing your hormones and biochemistry.
Now I've found since doing hg7, TEI supplements like parapack feel like they inceaase my potassium and my androgens, compared to before where they would give me oxidative stress and I didn't feel relaxed on them.
Where as HG7 is way more about chelating the stored iron and copper out the body, but during times on HG7 where you go into a high iron or high copper state. your metabolism can completely drop and your body goes into this kind of low metabolism hibernation state/slow breathing, which is when taking things like the slow oxidiser TEI supplement can be helpful.
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Grok convinced me to try copper supplement 1mg for couple of days and if ok 2mg after that (if I take 10-15mg of zinc) based on all my symptoms. Low estradiol, low white blood cells and neutrophils, grey hair, leaky capillaries in lower legs...
Because again and again just taking copper antagonists feels like I am dying.. So it probably drops Na/K ratio and the whole system even detox goes offline..
So by taking some copper(with everything else vit C, zinc, molybdenum etc..) I will rise Na/K and everything should start working better again copper detox as well..
The fact is over the years the only thing I never took was copper supps. Maybe I took 1 pill here and there over the years but once I took the pill I said to myself that is a bad idea and stopped again. Without experiencing any bad symptoms or something.. So now I will keep taking just 1mg until I experience good or bad symptoms..
At least I will finally figure out if taking copper pills has the same effect as eating too much foods like buckwheat, nuts/seeds, mushrooms etc.. It could be that I experience bad effect from those foods due to antinutrients like oxalates etc. and not from the copper.
Because again and again just taking copper antagonists feels like I am dying.. So it probably drops Na/K ratio and the whole system even detox goes offline..
So by taking some copper(with everything else vit C, zinc, molybdenum etc..) I will rise Na/K and everything should start working better again copper detox as well..
The fact is over the years the only thing I never took was copper supps. Maybe I took 1 pill here and there over the years but once I took the pill I said to myself that is a bad idea and stopped again. Without experiencing any bad symptoms or something.. So now I will keep taking just 1mg until I experience good or bad symptoms..
At least I will finally figure out if taking copper pills has the same effect as eating too much foods like buckwheat, nuts/seeds, mushrooms etc.. It could be that I experience bad effect from those foods due to antinutrients like oxalates etc. and not from the copper.
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Yeah well you shouldn't be taking copper antagonists without b6, b6 is what pushes out the copper and iron out of the tissues and through the bile, b6 also helps make bile too. This is why the doses of molybdenum are so high on hg7 because b6 (pyroxidine hcl) really pushes out copper from the tissues like crazy, outside of the hg7 protocol those molybdenum doses would hurt anyone. Hence why you see someone like Garret only recommending 150mcg of molybdenum per day.
The thing about copper supplements is it is mostly getting stored in your liver, so it can feel good at first but then it just makes your bile issues worse in the end, and you already said you don't have good bile so copper really doesn't sound like a good idea long term.
If I were you I wouldn't be taking copper unless you were doing something like coffee enemas in combination with it.
And if i remember correctly your htma showed your NA/k was over 2.5 which means you don't need copper, it only slow oxidisers with low na/k can be helped by copper.
I do agree though if you have chronic infections you do need copper and need to be very careful with copper antagonists, keep an eye on your stool colour if it goes dark brown means you needed the copper for your iron, if it doesn't then I wouldn't take it.
You also had low potassium on your hair test I think, and taking copper supplements as a slow oxidiser will just make that issue worse.
Copper is also the one mineral where I really think you do need the TEI or valence metabolic pack for slow oxidisers otherwise it won't get used properly, so whether that is Slow ox from Valence or Parapack from TEI
@Fazed22 I am taking B complex that has 25mg of p5p and I take 1/2 or 1/3 of a capsule per day.. I agree with what are you saying. Probably better idea to just drop copper antagonists than start taking copper as well.. My metabolism is tanked now that's for sure. I stopped taking T4 after 6 months + winter is coming. Just feel like shit. I do have infections 100% and my lymphatic fluid is really dirty(still wonder if I should do the oral hydrochloric acid therapy. It looks ike it increases white blood cells and kills pathogens and deals with fucked up proteins in lympthatic system Hydrochloric Acid Therapy (HCl Therapy) - Health Parameters Research . It is just matter of time when my immune system gives up completely and I end up with cancer.. Don't know how to fix this mess. Luke Pryor was recommending Valance supps basically the key was zinc like 55mg a day and there was like 3mg of manganese that's it no copper. No way I could take it. It simply crashes all systems in the body and I am dying. I tried upping copper from foods. All it does I get that nervous energy like I am on stimulants that can't be good that's for sure..
Selig has new really amazing video on copper. It is great how he talks about planets and metals. I don't like that homeopathy stuff(maybe I just should learn about it more, but it sounds like BS) anyways outside of that I think he is one of the most interesting nutritional balancing guys that's for sure..
He also talks about how when you don't live your truth or something like that you simply retain copper and it doesn't work
I think it is my case. I said it in most of my comments that I need to move to different place to really heal my body. Here where I live everything is PTSD, chronic stress inducing basically..
Let me know what you think about the video.
Selig has new really amazing video on copper. It is great how he talks about planets and metals. I don't like that homeopathy stuff(maybe I just should learn about it more, but it sounds like BS) anyways outside of that I think he is one of the most interesting nutritional balancing guys that's for sure..
He also talks about how when you don't live your truth or something like that you simply retain copper and it doesn't work
I think it is my case. I said it in most of my comments that I need to move to different place to really heal my body. Here where I live everything is PTSD, chronic stress inducing basically..
Let me know what you think about the video.
Nah I have the same b complex with that also but it's a lot different taking that to pyroxidine hcl on its own (not p5p). The b complex with p5p doesn't seem to do anything to my bile or pushing out copper where as b6 on its own does. HG7 is T4 basically.
Hcl not always the answer for pathogens, because you could already be in acidosis like me from acid producing pathogens, so if you take hcl then that can make the acidocis worse. Also if you have high iron already then you really don't want to take hcl because it is just increasing iron absorption more.
For the lymphatic system get a lymphatic massage hand brush it costs maybe like £5, I use it mainly on the back of head going downwards, it seems my blood/lymphatic flow gets stuck there from stress so that can cause inflammation in the whole body.
@Fazed22 I did dry brushing for years. Yes nothing flows properly as stress makes everything tight. I have homemade near infrared sauna. Nothing relaxes me more than warming up my body there. I just can't stay there and sweat. I get dehydrated and have hard time pooping and drinking more doesn't help..
I am probably acidic, All that waste in lymphatic fluid is acidic..
How should look my diet? You probably say do HG7 and diet doesn't matter right..
At some point I probably will do it. Just now don't eve have money for so much pills. Should probably stop all pills and just warm my body in sauna many times a day to stay warm..
I am probably acidic, All that waste in lymphatic fluid is acidic..
How should look my diet? You probably say do HG7 and diet doesn't matter right..
At some point I probably will do it. Just now don't eve have money for so much pills. Should probably stop all pills and just warm my body in sauna many times a day to stay warm..
@Fazed22 I did dry brushing for years. Yes nothing flows properly as stress makes everything tight. I have homemade near infrared sauna. Nothing relaxes me more than warming up my body there. I just can't stay there and sweat. I get dehydrated and have hard time pooping and drinking more doesn't help..
I am probably acidic, All that waste in lymphatic fluid is acidic..
How should look my diet? You probably say do HG7 and diet doesn't matter right..
At some point I probably will do it. Just now don't eve have money for so much pills. Should probably stop all pills and just warm my body in sauna many times a day to stay warm..
Well yeah on hg7 once you've gotten enough copper and iron out you can eat anything you want basically and still retain potassium, it's not like ARL/TEI where you have to be careful with what you eat. But tbh even starting out on hg7 I'd recommend eating healthy so like high potassium foods/ cooked veg but the low A ones, animal protein, eggs , some dairy too maybe for blocking iron released on hg7 but try get all organic if you can.
I can't eat how rebel eats, if i just eat something like veg, potatoes, rice, animal protein, eggs with some fat and dairy it's just way too low calorie for me and not good for my hormones/T. But when I eat enough calories with refined carbs/junk food like pizza, cookies, focaccia bread, pastries like pain au chocolat it makes my sleep quality way better, better for my hormones, energy, lower stress.
@Fazed22 I can't do dairy, gluten even potatoes give me crazy stiff spine and painful joints.. Can do meats, rice, corn pasta/polenta or pseudograins like millet, buckwheat, veggies fruits. I am eating 10-15g of good quality olive oil with each meal but not sure if it is good for me when bile flow is zero...
I would like to do HG7 , but I can't deal with having all kinds of side effects and constantly calibrate etc.
You said you are taking it differently. So how do you take those supps?
I also don't like the idea take everything at once.. I can see that I will try like 10% of the original dose. Just can't order biotin powder so I would use only 10mg capsules..
You said those crazy doses of biotin are not needed right..
The main point is that if EGCG really increases copper in the blood. If not the whole think can't work for me.
My issues are different from most people who do it.. They all seem to have high copper when they started so it makes sense they are doing great on copper antagonists.
I have low serum copper and symptoms from that as well.
I still do wonder if I am really toxic in copper LOL.. Because I am slow oxidizer, but I forced crazy exercise for years and Gbolduev said if you force exercise you will chelate copper. So I still struggle to figure out wtf is my situation..
I would like to do HG7 , but I can't deal with having all kinds of side effects and constantly calibrate etc.
You said you are taking it differently. So how do you take those supps?
I also don't like the idea take everything at once.. I can see that I will try like 10% of the original dose. Just can't order biotin powder so I would use only 10mg capsules..
You said those crazy doses of biotin are not needed right..
The main point is that if EGCG really increases copper in the blood. If not the whole think can't work for me.
My issues are different from most people who do it.. They all seem to have high copper when they started so it makes sense they are doing great on copper antagonists.
I have low serum copper and symptoms from that as well.
I still do wonder if I am really toxic in copper LOL.. Because I am slow oxidizer, but I forced crazy exercise for years and Gbolduev said if you force exercise you will chelate copper. So I still struggle to figure out wtf is my situation..
Why would olive oil be bad for your bile, you need it for your bile flow if its bad, dairy you don't need really as a slow oxidiser unless you wanted to lower the stress response with calcium but that can block your potassium even more.
Low copper in the blood means your copper is stuck deeper in your liver, I think b6 is more about increasing copper than egcg, egcg increases iron for me not copper.
So for the low blood copper and ceruloploasmin types I don't think the standard hg7 is good for, you need to lower the mplybdenum and zinc a lot, increase things like b6, egcg but taking more of those things will increase the need for more molybdenum and zinc.
I've had your situation of low blood copper it means you need to focus on coffee enemas and liver flushes, you said liver flushes didn't do much for you because you had no bile, well that means you need to take electrolytes (potassium chloride and salt) with the liver flush stuff. Same thing with saunas you need to take potassium chloride and salt do 50-50 ratio and then you won't get dehydrated the same.
On the morning of my first liver flush, it felt like I couldn't release anything after the epsom salt drinks, so I then took potassium chloride with salt and then I started releasing a lot of bile.
If you are feeling like your health is fragile, you should really increase your intake of cooked vegetables and they should be steamed or pressure cooked to help restore potassium levels and relax you. This stuff "meats, rice, corn pasta/polenta or pseudograins like millet, buckwheat" is not good for increasing potassium levels.
You also should focus on your breathing and doing some deep breaths just before you eat because if you are in a stressed state then you don't even digest food properly and absorb the nutrients from it.
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@Fazed22 "Why would olive oil be bad for your bile, you need it for your bile flow if its bad"
yeah but when there is no bile flow anyways even with olive oil. It looks like it just slows down/inhibits digestion..
I eat, put a lot of extra salt on food and in water. I also use potassium chloride on food with salt or potassium citrate with salt in water. Doesn't help much with hydration. In fact potassium just lowers sodium and makes the hydration impossible I feel.
I eat cooked veggies, but I don't understand why everyone even Wilson is saying you need cooked veggies for minerals. Like what minerals?
Veggies in comparison with basically any other food(outside of processed food) has the lowest mineral content.
Just look how much minerals is in 100g of buckwheat and how much veggies you would have to eat to have the same amount of minerals.
I would understand if he was recommending like root veggies like potatoes. They are rich in potassium, but stuff like broccoli? How much broccoli I would have to eat to get decent amount of macro or microminerals before I end up with insane constipation or anti thyroid effect from all those goitrogens?
Fruits, pseudograins, legumes, nuts and seeds have much more minerals than veggies. Wonder why nutritional balancing is not recommending them if it s about mineral content..
You said it yourself. That you can't eat clean diet like Rebel. What is the point of eating low calorie, crazy high fiber veggie diet. It does nothing for me. Just makes me constiapted and cold from lack of calories. That's why I eat stuff like corn polenta with fruit for example. To get some easy to digest calories/macros in me.
If I can't eat more fat and protein is basically set depending on weight. In my case 2g per 1kg of weight It is like 170g of protein. So where the rest of calories has to come from. From carbs obviously. But not from fiber carbs only heh..
I agree on breathing and calming down the body..
yeah but when there is no bile flow anyways even with olive oil. It looks like it just slows down/inhibits digestion..
I eat, put a lot of extra salt on food and in water. I also use potassium chloride on food with salt or potassium citrate with salt in water. Doesn't help much with hydration. In fact potassium just lowers sodium and makes the hydration impossible I feel.
I eat cooked veggies, but I don't understand why everyone even Wilson is saying you need cooked veggies for minerals. Like what minerals?
Veggies in comparison with basically any other food(outside of processed food) has the lowest mineral content.
Just look how much minerals is in 100g of buckwheat and how much veggies you would have to eat to have the same amount of minerals.
I would understand if he was recommending like root veggies like potatoes. They are rich in potassium, but stuff like broccoli? How much broccoli I would have to eat to get decent amount of macro or microminerals before I end up with insane constipation or anti thyroid effect from all those goitrogens?
Fruits, pseudograins, legumes, nuts and seeds have much more minerals than veggies. Wonder why nutritional balancing is not recommending them if it s about mineral content..
You said it yourself. That you can't eat clean diet like Rebel. What is the point of eating low calorie, crazy high fiber veggie diet. It does nothing for me. Just makes me constiapted and cold from lack of calories. That's why I eat stuff like corn polenta with fruit for example. To get some easy to digest calories/macros in me.
If I can't eat more fat and protein is basically set depending on weight. In my case 2g per 1kg of weight It is like 170g of protein. So where the rest of calories has to come from. From carbs obviously. But not from fiber carbs only heh..
I agree on breathing and calming down the body..
Well cooked veggies probably the most effective food for getting dietary potassium in, sure you can also do stuff like low carb that will also increase potassium retention but sounds like you wouldn't like that.
You're asking me what you should eat and I gave you an answer... Did I say to eat low calorie I didn't say that... I said eating a lot of cooked veg does help increase potassium levels when depleted like it sounds like you are, yeah I don't agree with eating high carotenoid ones they will make you constipated. But I guess if you can't get organic veg maybe its pointless.
It's because fruit has sugar that can feed pathogens and pathogens will block your potassium.
Once you fixed bile flow and got rid of enough copper and iron you will retain potassium a lot better and its not as important what you eat.